A Smart MSG Crowd turns on Lesnar & Goldy

[Dangerous K89 0]

For what it is worth, Benoit winning the title in that triple threat created a better moment than a Brock/Benoit title match would at WM. In the long run, Benoit/Brock would have been better...but, everybody knew Lesnar was leaving and that he would have a chance in hell of keeping that title. Not to mention that the Brock leaving heat could have been more memorable than the we want Benoit to win heat. In the triple threat match, I don't think it was just me, but every guy had a believable chance to walking out with the title.

[Guest Choken One]

RRR:OH NO THAT'S NOT TRUE!

 

Lemme Write a 50 page essay on Brock Vs Benoit was the proper match and how Benoit was RUINED. RUINED I SAY by being Shipped to Raw for no reason other then to make HHH look good and be Shawn's personal bitch. OOh, he won the title, so what?!? it wasn't the REAL title.

 

TITO ORTIZ RULES!

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

RRR:OH NO THAT'S NOT TRUE!

 

Lemme Write a 50 page essay on Brock Vs Benoit was the proper match and how Benoit was RUINED. RUINED I SAY by being Shipped to Raw for no reason other then to make HHH look good and be Shawn's personal bitch. OOh, he won the title, so what?!? it wasn't the REAL title.

 

TITO ORTIZ RULES!

That was hilarious. Although I usually agree with RRR's point of view on most things, I think in the long run this was the right thing to do considering Brock half-assed so bad tonight he makes Buff Bagwell look like Bret Hart.

[Karc 0]

I want Benoit to have ****+ title defenses for the next five months. Maybe then most people will forget how the whole push was completely killed the night after the Rumble.

 

Here's a question though. Is it better for a world title push to be built up immensly and then squashed (like Jericho) or to be squashed out of the gate and then shot to the moon (Benoit, thus far)?

[Secret Agent 0]

... And would we still have Brock had the WM Main Event been Brock/Benoit?

 

Since I didn't get to see this I wonder if the WM 20 DVD will have all the crowd heat on Goldberg/brock or if they will edit it out. Hmm...

[Karc 0]

... And would we still have Brock had the WM Main Event been Brock/Benoit?

 

Since I didn't get to see this I wonder if the WM 20 DVD will have all the crowd heat on Goldberg/brock or if they will edit it out. Hmm...

That's why I want to download the original broadcast. Not a lot of time for edits. The crowd and the world title matches saved the show, literally.

[Guest Choken One]

No way...WWE won't edit it out...They have NO problems saying fuck you to goldberg and Lesnar...

[ChrisMWaters 0]

Funny thing that I mentioned in the thread about my observations at Mania...

 

A fight between fans dressed up as Hogan and Savage respectively got more attention for a good while than the Lesnar/Goldberg match.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Here's a question though. Is it better for a world title push to be built up immensly and then squashed (like Jericho) or to be squashed out of the gate and then shot to the moon (Benoit, thus far)?

 

Good question.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

The match wasn't THAT bad (sure, it wasn't good, either). The crowd spoiled it, by being too busy trying to put themselves over, as usual. I hate 'smart crowds'. In fact, the crowd pretty much sucked all night (except for the pop for Benoit~!).

[Michrome 0]

Yeah, they were a really smarky crowd, marking out for Undertaker

 

The match was fucking atrocious. A few nice moves from Goldberg, but the rest stunk to high hell. Brock looked like he was going to cry.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

The match wasn't THAT bad (sure, it wasn't good, either). The crowd spoiled it, by being too busy trying to put themselves over, as usual. I hate 'smart crowds'. In fact, the crowd pretty much sucked all night (except for the pop for Benoit~!).

HA!! The crowd SAVED that match. I watched it 2 more times. Once muted. Once w/ volume. When muted the match sucked more dick than Madonna the crack whore circa 1989. With volume the crowd keeps it entertaining.

[Guest OctoberBlood]

I was jumping up and down laughing and cheering on the fans during this match. It' was freaking awesome and I marked out for this more than I did the Takers return [but not more than BENOIT!!!] (IMO, way too over hyped .. Kane vs. Taker still sucked). I loved every second of it, even if the match was god awful! My "normal" friends were all confused, it was funny. Though, one of them heard rumors of Brock leaving, and knew Goldbergs contract was up, the other two were like "WTF?!", and I was just laughing, heh.

 

It was great.

[Guest Goodear]

Just goes to show just how dumb 'smart' people are.

 

BOO That Goldberg and Lesnar for leaving BOO!

 

HORAY FOR AUSTIN! (who did the same freaking thing in the last two years!)

 

HORAY FOR HOGAN! (Ditto!)

 

Christ at least they could have chanted for people that didn't quit the company and maybe haver a point. But instead, they expose just mentally disabled they are for cheering on two of the most selfish workers in WWE history. Pure genius New York. Pure genius.

[Guest BionicRedneck]

Yeah, I mean how retarded is the "You Sold Out" chant?

[Guest Goodear]

Answer: Special Olympics Bronze Medalist.

[Guest thetrendsetter]

Regardless to what circumstances, I've always found "You Sold Out" to be a disgraceful chant. For whatever reasons, Brock Lesnar is leaving, the reports vary, either he didn't want to work a program with Taker, he didn't like the travel schedule or he really is trying out for the NFL, it wouldn't matter, he decided to leave, I can understand commentary about him leaving, but to say "You sold out" is stupid. The fans at MSG proved why wrestling caters to the Lowest Common Denominator last night. Personally, i'm not a huge fan of Lesnar, but I respect what he's done in the ring, including the fact that he nearly broke his neck last March for the same fans that booed him last night, trying a move, that someone his size doesn't need to be doing.

 

Really, what has Lesnar done to garner hatred really, he's young enough to still try out for the NFL, and possibly make it. Wrestlers usually don't peak until thier early-mid 30's, NFL players peak in thier mid-late 20's.

 

If trying to be a professional football player is what Lesnar want's to do, then who are we to say fuck him. What? you'd rather him sit around the WWE for the next 5 years dogging it, collecting a check because he'd rather be elsewhere? You can't blame the guy if he 'doesn't want to be there'.

 

Personally, 5 Days notice is really short, and kinda shitty, but he put over Gurrerro huge, as well as Goldberg in the last 30 days, without question. He may have gave short notice about him leaving, but it wasn't like "yeah, I'm your champ, by the way, I'm gone the end of the week"

 

The funny thing, Lesnar could leave for 2-3-5 years, and still be younger and in better condition than what alot of the current roster is right now, and he can afford to take time away now, to pursue other options, and come back whenever he feels the time is right.

 

I don't know, I just think it's funny that a guy that everyone praised a few months ago, is now Evil Incarnate, just because he wants to pursue other venues while he's young enough to do it.

 

Does this actually make sense to anyone else?

[Guest Goodear]

Personally, 5 Days notice is really short, and kinda shitty, but he put over Gurrerro huge, as well as Goldberg in the last 30 days, without question. He may have gave short notice about him leaving, but it wasn't like "yeah, I'm your champ, by the way, I'm gone the end of the week"

 

The thing is that Mania effectively blows off the only feud Brock really has going on anyway. It's not like he's leaving someone in the lurch in the middle of a feud or going away while holding onto the title. It's the end of one of his storyliunes and so he's out the door. Saying he's going to wait to the end of the next one would mean another two or three months in the company and that's obviously not something he wants to do.

[notJames 0]

I still can't get over the fact that Brock laid down for FGB, cleanly no less. I think even the fans in attendance were amazed by it. Talk about kicking a deflated audience when they're down. Sure you can say both guys were being shit on, but he was still a WW_ creation pitted against Turner's former pride and joy. And for Vince to do that... he must have been pretty pissed at him.

 

Personally, I loved the double bird by Brock, both to the crowd and to Austin. He played the heel to the end. That's dedication. Even if I'm alone in this, I sure will miss him.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Even if I'm alone in this, I sure will miss him.

I'm with you. And when/if he returns, I'll welcome him w/ open arms.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

don't know, I just think it's funny that a guy that everyone praised a few months ago, is now Evil Incarnate, just because he wants to pursue other venues while he's young enough to do it.

 

It's not that he wants to move on to other things, it's how he did it. Walking out like he's doing comes across as very immature. Not to mention that "Everyone" didn't praise him a few months ago. I know plenty of people who NEVER liked Brock, myself included.

 

(Yes, I'm one of those who thinks that he was pushed to fast. You know he did. Think about it. As said earlier in this thread, at least Angle went through the undercard)

[AnonymousBroccoli 0]

He was, IMO, the best part of WWE in 2003, so I'll miss his potential contributions for the future. At the same time, I'd rather he go if he doesn't want to be there, rather than drag himself and the rest of the product down.

 

He almost would've been better off not showing up at 'Mania. I don't know that he would've recovered as well as Austin did, because Austin had a lot more time to build up a legacy and a following, and didn't blow off a major, hyped event. But now Lesnar's got that stinker of a match and a crazy spectacle to follow him around if he ever wants to return.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

And No Football team will take him seriously. he can go to JAPAN, and be the Pale White Godzilla!

And make a ton of money, and be a huge draw.

[Guest nikowwf]

I usually HATE crowds that are too smart, but Brock and Shitberg so deserved the reaction. Not only are they both leaving, but that was such a half assed effort. It was SO boring....and there reactions to the chants was to....STALL MORE. I didn't get it. Why not sit down and let people have even more time to think up things to say?

 

Goldberg has NO affinity for WWE at all, so I don't see why he should get a hero's goodbye. And the way Brock is leaving is not positive....I don't want to hear he put Eddy over. He should stay a few weeks, and let someone take him out, etc....give them something to work with.

 

And the few good moves in the match got cheered. If they busted ass, they would have been cheered. They didn't, and with the crowd already being all pissy, they had no chance.

 

niko

[King Cucaracha 0]

To be honest, when I heard the chants I stopped watching, because it was clear the fans would shit over the match regardless of what happened.

 

As I said in the OAO thread, it would have been nice if at the end Lesnar got a bit of respect. He has carried Smackdown for the most part of the last year, and been entertaining for most of his time in the company. Plus I was holding out hope he'd be back in the future.

 

Now? Well, the crowd shat on him...he lost to Goldberg, who kicked out of the F-5...and Austin stunned him. I wouldn't blame him if he never came back now.

 

And as for the 'smart crowd'. Well...that's taking it a bit far. 'You Sold Out'? To who? He hasn't signed a contract yet, so he hasn't 'sold out'. 'Lesnar Sucks'. He sure didn't suck when he was having good to great matches with people for the last year.

 

Smart crowd? Yeah...they sure jeered Hogan, Austin and Rock who all left the company in the lurch. They sure jeered Austin when he put himself over everyone with ease. Face it, they were trying to be like your typical ECW crowd. Unfortunately, they failed. Miserably.

 

But hey, as long as they're jeering Goldberg they 'must' be smart.

[Guest nikowwf]

I don't see why the crowd should be complained about. They booed and hissed during what was an AWFUL match. Brock is leaving... and the facts seem to indicate a real FUCK YOU IM OUT OF HERE rather than a planned exit which will help out someone else and not leave the company in a lurch.

 

The crowd hated it, and they showed it. Theres nothing wrong with that. Brock's leaving...not with a THANK YOU I WILL MISS YOU but rather with a FUCK THIS IM BIGGER THAN THE COMPANY. I don't see why he deserved a hero's exit.

 

niko

[King Cucaracha 0]

I'm not saying he deserved a hero's exit. But at the same time, I am saying one of the biggest smiles I had all night was when he flipped off the crowd. That says a lot.

 

I'm also taking exception to the use of 'smart' crowd. 'Attemped smart' would be better. If they were 'smart', they'd have stuck to the 'NAH NAH NAH NAH...HEY HEY...GOODBYE' and realised he hasn't sold out.

 

Plus if they were smart, they'd realise Lesnar had a point. Wouldn't you quit if you were the World Champ and Hardcore Holly's bitch at the same time?

[Guest nikowwf]

Were you offended when the WWE crowd turned on the ROCK? Its totally similar, its just Rock's match didnt get as much hate cause it didnt totally suck?

 

niko

[King Cucaracha 0]

When? If you mean last night, the boos were very sparse except when he broke up the Flair strut.

 

If you mean last year like I think you mean...Rock got respect after the match. Lesnar didn't.

 

Brock/GBerg's match sucked, yes. But the crowd shat on it before it even started, so that's a mute point.

[Guest nikowwf]

After the title match with Brock, rock got ZERO respect from the crowd. He was booed, people said he sucked. It was less mean spirited than Brock, but Brock hasn't done as much as Rock has.

 

niko