WWE sure knows how to run a business

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

 

-The Bashams and Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas may be broken up, giving each of the four wrestlers, now stagnant in a nothing-happening Smackdown tag division, new life as singles wrestlers. They could have accomplished this without the reshuffling of both rosters, but this creates a built-in reason for the break-ups without having to contrive them.

The Bashams need fucking singles pushes now?

 

Not like they COMPLETELY blew their tag push or anything.

Maybe they would have gotten over more if it wasn't:

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And why not give them singles action? As you said, the team really didn't work, so give them singles action to see if anything clicks. Plus, Doug is better than what he showed in a tag team.

[Astro7x 0]

Its their own damn fault for leaking every plotline they could to anyone with a laptop. Vince has to do this sort of thing if he wants to actually surprise the fan base anymore. So they didn't know that there was going to be a reshuffling of brands... so what? They know now. 'Smackdown' will get the better end of the stick anyway considering their entire heel side of the card has either quit, is injured, or is in preparation for surgery.

Wow, good point. With the leaked info, and Smackdown being considered the inferior brand anyway... wouldn't they want things to be more even between the two?

 

And what exactly is the big deal anyway? They work House Shows on Mondays and SD's on Tuesdays.... so does this somehow change their work schedule considering they work both those days in the first place?

[Astro7x 0]

 

-If WWE were to make the roster reshuffling an annual tradition, it would create a sense of there being "seasons" to WWE, with everything really climaxing at WrestleMania each year, with the post-WrestleMania TV shows being as highly anticipated as those leading up to the big show.

 

I like this idea. Especially if it is a draft rather than a lottery. Drafts are always fun.

What exactly is the difference if they do a Draft or a Lottery? Think about it, and I am just using Flair and Vince here for Draft purposes because they were in the first one

 

Vince: My first SD Pick is... Kurt Angle!

Flair: My First RAW Pick is... Benoit!

 

Lottery style

Vince: The first SD Superstar is... Kurt Angle!

Vince: The first Raw Superstar is... Benoit!

 

It's really the same either way.

 

I am just GLAD that I am NOT going to Raw in Detroit tomorrow night and I passed on tickets... I would be pissed to sit through the majority of the show being Vince picking names out of a hat all night

[jester 0]

Vince: My first SD Pick is... Kurt Angle!

Flair: My First RAW Pick is... Benoit!

 

Lottery style

Vince: The first SD Superstar is... Kurt Angle!

Vince: The first Raw Superstar is... Benoit!

 

It's really the same either way.

Not quite the same from a story point of view. Under the draft system, the GMs or whoever would pick the wrestlers they think are "the best." So that means the top tier talent would be picked up first.

 

Under a lottery, the picks would be random (from a kayfabe sense anyway). So Smackdown's first wrestler might be Spike Dudley, simply by the luck of the draw. Under the draft system, no way a wrestler like Spike gets pick up first.

[Guest BDC]

I'm waiting on Shelton Benjamin. I really do think he could be the next breakout star.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

I'm waiting on Shelton Benjamin. I really do think he could be the next breakout star.

I agree 100%

[Guest Anglesault]

 

-The Bashams and Shelton Benjamin & Charlie Haas may be broken up, giving each of the four wrestlers, now stagnant in a nothing-happening Smackdown tag division, new life as singles wrestlers. They could have accomplished this without the reshuffling of both rosters, but this creates a built-in reason for the break-ups without having to contrive them.

The Bashams need fucking singles pushes now?

 

Not like they COMPLETELY blew their tag push or anything.

Maybe they would have gotten over more if it wasn't:

SHANIQUA SHANIQUA SHANIQUAbashamsSHANIQUA SHANIQUA SHANIQUA

Perhaps if they didn't work the most boring matches known to man...

 

And why not give them singles action? As you said, the team really didn't work, so give them singles action to see if anything clicks. Plus, Doug is better than what he showed in a tag team.

 

You don't reward people for failing.

[Scroby 0]

Doesn't every valet get over more than whose she's with tag or single wise?

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Doesn't every valet get over more than whose she's with tag or single wise?

With examples like Sunny, Sable, Torrie Wilson, Stacy Keibler, Trish......yup. They always over-shadow. Even Sherri did back in the day.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

(Note: iB rose from the dead).

 

People say things like "These Bashams are great young talent, with tremendous athletic abilities - I see big futures for them."

 

Anglesault, you're right. Just because an athletic young rookie debuts, it doesn't mean that you have to praise them right away in fear of being branded a mark - if they work a boring match, they work a boring match - and a gimmick isn't going to work for them.

 

I'd LOVE a Shelton Benjamin push - Charlie Haas was given a shot at the U.S. Championship, and with this Draft, I'd love to see Benjamin going over to Raw, and engaging in a feud with Randy Orton at some point for the Intercontinental Championship, with Haas chasing SmackDown!'s equivalent.

 

But this is WWE, of course. Sure, I watch and enjoy it majority (...) of the time, just like the rest of you, but it probably won't happen.

[Secret Agent 0]

So... Do you think HHH will go to Smackdown now? He hasn't held the WWE Title in a while.

[Guest Goodear]

The cruiserweight divison could be split up...how is this good?

 

It's only good in the sense that the Cruiserweight division is a complete sham of a farce of a division. The place is basically Rey Mysterio and a bunch of people that the crowd doesn't really care about all that much. Move some of them into permament tag teams and let Rey and Chavo head up the roster a bit and it doesn't much matter to me if Kidman has a chance to win a strap against for as long as he lives.

 

Rob Conway will be left with one of the French guys...Umm isn't Conway better than both guys? So WWE is going to anchor him down, a-huh.

 

Conway is a bit better than Rene, but Dupre has a much better connection to the crowd and more charisma and seems to have the 'break out' label on him pretty hardcore. Personally if its me, I might jam Conway in with Haas into a tag team if they are going to send Benjamin into singles.

 

Breaking up the Bashems and WGTT wouldn't be a good thing.

 

I think they have higher expectations for Shelton right now and The Bashams have never done a thing to make me think that they are ever going to gell effectively as a team. Split them up and give them jobber to the stars roles to see if maybe we can salvage something out of them. But damn, they will need to impress in order to mover up at all in my eyes.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

So far I am understanding of this lottery, except for one point.....What the hell is going to happen to the champions??? I really hope we don't see a "lottery" where there is a possibility where both the World and WWE Champions are both on the same show. Now I know they wouldn't do that, but I don't want the lottery to seem too set up......

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I guess I'm a day late in posting this, as the thread has segued from being about the Smackdown guys not knowing about the switch to talking about individual wrestlers ... but I really want to comment on the original intent of the thread.

 

Do you have any idea of how the business world works? This kind of stuff happens all the time in the 'real world'. My company's moved offices, changed names, changed policies, hired/fired/moved executives, etc without giving us, the employees, advance notice. Sometimes you hear about it first in a company-wide email, and other times it's not until the press release. The reason for this is simple, to stop people from leaking the information before the company wants it as general knowledge. The people that said how it showed how "fucked up" the WWE is because the boss didn't tell his employees about a major change like this have obviously never worked a real job.

[haVoc 0]

If a champion gets traded they get stripped of their title.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

And why not give them singles action? As you said, the team really didn't work, so give them singles action to see if anything clicks. Plus, Doug is better than what he showed in a tag team.

 

You don't reward people for failing.

But I didn't call for them to get pushed to the moon. I merely said "singles action". Let them work as singles, and see if something clicks. If either picks up some steam, then they can get a push. Doug had a good match w/ Shannon Moore on Velocity back before getting called up (early last year?), and generated some good heel heat for an unknown guy (at the time), so he has shown promise.

 

Besides, you of all people should know to give some guys time to develop. You crapped all over Brock when he debuted ("boring and heatless"), but he developed into a hell of a worker, and now you love him (as do I). Who's to say either Basham doesn't develop into a player?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Do you have any idea of how the business world works? This kind of stuff happens all the time in the 'real world'. My company's moved offices, changed names, changed policies, hired/fired/moved executives, etc without giving us, the employees, advance notice. Sometimes you hear about it first in a company-wide email, and other times it's not until the press release. The reason for this is simple, to stop people from leaking the information before the company wants it as general knowledge. The people that said how it showed how "fucked up" the WWE is because the boss didn't tell his employees about a major change like this have obviously never worked a real job.

That's different. Those changes impact the company's bottom line, and prematurely leaking info could hurt the company. How does leaking news about a roster reshuffling hurt the WWE? Is the WWE going to lose millions of dollars because the 'net knows about it 8 hours before the show?

[Guest thetrendsetter]

Do you have any idea of how the business world works?  This kind of stuff happens all the time in the 'real world'.  My company's moved offices, changed names, changed policies, hired/fired/moved executives, etc without giving us, the employees, advance notice.  Sometimes you hear about it first in a company-wide email, and other times it's not until the press release.  The reason for this is simple, to stop people from leaking the information before the company wants it as general knowledge.  The people that said how it showed how "fucked up" the WWE is because the boss didn't tell his employees about a major change like this have obviously never worked a real job.

That's different. Those changes impact the company's bottom line, and prematurely leaking info could hurt the company. How does leaking news about a roster reshuffling hurt the WWE? Is the WWE going to lose millions of dollars because the 'net knows about it 8 hours before the show?

No, but again, it matters as far as protecting the buisness. Vicne doesn't want the marks to know what's going on beforehand. The boys on Smackdown can't understand that. Therefore, they lose the right to be told things in advance.

[muzz 0]

I'm waiting on Shelton Benjamin. I really do think he could be the next breakout star.

I agree, based solely on how bad ass he looks in your sig.

[Cran Da Maniac 0]

If a champion gets traded they get stripped of their title.

I still think they should exempt the World Champions, but strip all others

[haVoc 0]

Some for it, some against...

 

The reaction by the wrestlers thus far to the decision to hold a lottery to change the rosters next week has been mixed. Many are upset about it, feeling it will ruin their travel schedule and split them up with friends. Others feel that it will open up new doors and perhaps give them better opportunities. Everyone, however, seems to be a bit tense about it going into Monday.

 

Credit: 1wrestling.com

[Perfxion 0]

Why do people think champions will get stipped of their titles? The problem with this thinking is people like John Cena just won a title they were chasing after for a while. It will be RETARDED to just strip him of the belt. Ditto for Benoit. Guerrero had it only a month. Orton has been the longest reigning champion of what 5 months tops?

 

They will more likely put all tag teams on one show to make one title to make it better. Swtich Orton and Cena and let them move with their titles. Then take RVD and Booker T, the Dudleys, and La French less Dupree.

[dubq 0]

Odds are this is a work that leads to Heyman and Smackdown breaking away from Vince and the WWE. I don't know how, but I can't believe for one second that Vince would piss off his workers even more.

 

If he really did this without informing them, then the morale of this company will hit a new low.

I honestly feel this crap about is third brand... well, is crap. How stupid are they? Who in their right mind stays home on a Saturday night to watch wrestling? I'm sorry, but they tried this before with Shotgun Saturday Night - branding it as a hardcore alternative - and it got SLAUGHTERED in the ratings. Does Vince ever learn?

[The Mandarin 0]

I am just GLAD that I am NOT going to Raw in Detroit tomorrow night and I passed on tickets... I would be pissed to sit through the majority of the show being Vince picking names out of a hat all night

I'm happy you're not going tomorrow night too. You wouldn't even be able to get in the building.

[2GOLD 0]

Odds are this is a work that leads to Heyman and Smackdown breaking away from Vince and the WWE. I don't know how, but I can't believe for one second that Vince would piss off his workers even more.

 

If he really did this without informing them, then the morale of this company will hit a new low.

I honestly feel this crap about is third brand... well, is crap. How stupid are they? Who in their right mind stays home on a Saturday night to watch wrestling? I'm sorry, but they tried this before with Shotgun Saturday Night - branding it as a hardcore alternative - and it got SLAUGHTERED in the ratings. Does Vince ever learn?

 

"Shotgun Saturday Night" was about as hardcore as a recap show. All I remember about Shotgun was Sunny rolling around on a bed and Ahmed Johnson beating Rockabilly once.

 

Most of the time they didn't have any good matches.

 

But I don't want a third brand either cause Vince's ego would never allow it to work. He barely wants two brands to work it seems.

[Guest Anglesault]

Odds are this is a work that leads to Heyman and Smackdown breaking away from Vince and the WWE. I don't know how, but I can't believe for one second that Vince would piss off his workers even more.

 

If he really did this without informing them, then the morale of this company will hit a new low.

I honestly feel this crap about is third brand... well, is crap. How stupid are they? Who in their right mind stays home on a Saturday night to watch wrestling? I'm sorry, but they tried this before with Shotgun Saturday Night - branding it as a hardcore alternative - and it got SLAUGHTERED in the ratings. Does Vince ever learn?

 

"Shotgun Saturday Night" was about as hardcore as a recap show. All I remember about Shotgun was Sunny rolling around on a bed and Ahmed Johnson beating Rockabilly once.

HHH got tombstoned on an escalator

[Papacita 0]

Odds are this is a work that leads to Heyman and Smackdown breaking away from Vince and the WWE. I don't know how, but I can't believe for one second that Vince would piss off his workers even more.

 

If he really did this without informing them, then the morale of this company will hit a new low.

I honestly feel this crap about is third brand... well, is crap. How stupid are they? Who in their right mind stays home on a Saturday night to watch wrestling? I'm sorry, but they tried this before with Shotgun Saturday Night - branding it as a hardcore alternative - and it got SLAUGHTERED in the ratings. Does Vince ever learn?

Didn't help that a bunch of the major markets (Philly included) didn't even carry the damn show.

 

"Shotgun Saturday Night" was about as hardcore as a recap show. All I remember about Shotgun was Sunny rolling around on a bed and Ahmed Johnson beating Rockabilly once.

 

I can't comment on the matches, but it seemed pretty wild in the beginning when they stuck to running nightclubs. They had Terri take her top off on the first episode, and I remember a great segment between Terry Funk and Austin leading into Rumble 97. And HHH getting tombstoned on the escalator was cool.

[Guest Anglesault]

Was Shotgun the show where Ahmed PRP'd D-Lo onto a car?

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Was Shotgun the show where Ahmed PRP'd D-Lo onto a car?

Ah yes, memories. I thought that was hardcore back then.

 

Then I saw ECW.