Brock Lesnars

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

Bitching about being squashed is now a bad thing?

I don't mean SQUASH SQUASH. Remember IYH 5 vs. Diesel? He got destroyed in 4:00, but kept all of his heat. I guess that was magic.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

No. You can have all the potential in the world, but if you don't have the drive to use it it won't get used. Goldberg was an amazing athlete and that did transfer over to wrestling, he just didn't take the time to develop and stop stiffing guys in the ring. He hasn't changed.

Did Lesnar ever stop stiffing people? One year ago today, he was considered too rough and likely to end Kurt Angle's career. Maybe he developed that and wasn't so bad later in 2003, but I can't ever think of any other time short of Mania (and even that would have been questionable when you consider that SSP was intended to hit) where he went out of his way to protect somebody.

 

Again, he was a league above the OVW people they keep pulling out and sticking into shitty outfits, but I never saw this magical change in his ringwork.

 

I was just watching Brock vs. Hogan today, Brock was playing with the crowd throughout.  To say "he's not interested in entertaining you" is off.

 

That was, eh, five months after he started? He had just won the belt and moved to Smackdown. That match was only one-fifth of the way throughout his career. Perhaps the magic faded sometime after that.

 

And how many of those people could wind up dead at 40 because of their occupation?

 

Well, it's more glamorous than digging a ditch or working at a mill, and that seems to be what he's going for.

 

And how many of those people, if given the opportunity, would leave that job for something they believe is better?

 

How many of them would angrily walk out the door shouting about how you can take this job and shove it, but then say the door is open to working there again in the future?

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Why would you want him to return to a job he hates for more money if he's not bringing that much in to begin with?

 

Why would owen? He did it in the early 90's.

 

I cannot stand it when people try to make comparisons that are obviously flawed because the two things being compared have more differences than similarities. (ex: You mentioned Jeff Hardy, who has been touted as "the next HBK" for YEARS.)

 

You've compared Goldberg and Lesnar. Lesnar gave much better performances than Goldberg. Why should you care about what goes on behind the scenes if it doesn't effect in-ring? My comparison between Owen and Lesnar was strictly performance based, I cannot stand when people don't answer the actual point, but rather, address something that is unrelated. Jeff Hardy's performance suffered because (a)His body was broken down and (b) he didn't like wrestling. People ragged on him for still wrestling and cheered him being fired.

 

This idea that wrestlers should constantly do what is asked of them is ridiculous. Wrestling is not a team sport. It never has been. It would be great if it was, but it's not. It's a dog-eat-dog world and you have to look out for yourself. Hogan knew it and he was able to stretch his big money career out for almost 20 years. HHH is doing it right now. It's smart. I don't like when HHH does it because it effects my enjoyment of the show, but I don't fault him for it. He's protecting himself because no one else in that locker room will do it for him and no one writing the show will do it (this is a general rule, please don't break out the "but steph is!"). Why anyone would agree to be the red rooster and effectively kill off their career is mindboggling.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

This idea that wrestlers should constantly do what is asked of them is ridiculous. Wrestling is not a team sport. It never has been. It would be great if it was, but it's not. It's a dog-eat-dog world and you have to look out for yourself. Hogan knew it and he was able to stretch his big money career out for almost 20 years.

He also suffocated WCW to an early grave and is now considering his job options, so maybe in the long run it really wasn't that great of an idea.

 

While Hogan and Nash were trying to make Nitro as much about themselves as possible because they were free to do so, WWF gained a reputation for having a casual locker room where everyone got along. Even guys like the Undertaker were trying to make the best of what they'd been given to keep the show alive, instead of squashing midcarders and complaining to management any time a clean job was involved. During this period, the company suddently soared and it seemed there was an endless amount of riches to be earned.

 

Compared that to today's attitude of the Russo-era draws (Taker, HHH, Austin to name a particular few) and the company's fortunes today.

 

 

Yes, a lot of that has to do with creative, but there is a connection.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Why would owen?  He did it in the early 90's.

And in hindsight maybe he shouldn't have. That's fine if he quit wrestling early and pursued something else. He could have become one of wrestling's biggest 'What If?' stories. What I would not have accepted is him quitting wrestling and then making himself out to be a hypocrite by coming back to it a few years later. A few good matches can be sacrificed for that. As JOTW said, Lesnar still wants the spotlight. He wants more and more things for less effort, and I don't expect them to be given to him. The coach of the team he wants to join thinks this just a publicity stunt.

 

My comparison between Owen and Lesnar was strictly performance based, I cannot stand when people don't answer the actual point, but rather, address something that is unrelated.

 

I just addressed it above, OK? Moving on...

 

This idea that wrestlers should constantly do what is asked of them is ridiculous.

 

Well it's a good thing that I don't subscribe to this idea but Lesnar is no Hogan. He isn't even 2000 HHH. There is such a thing as cutting your losses and I'm sorry, but WWE will go on without Lesnar and Goldberg, and they haven't even been pining over them like they did when Nathan Jones quit. When it comes down to it, it will be Brock that will need WWE more than WWE needs him. Without WWE Brock would be just another nobody with a dream of playing for the NFL with little experience behind him. You think he's stupid? He'll play his 'I was a NCAA and WWE Champion' card to the fullest extent to get ahead. Yes Brock, WWE is just a three-ring circus fake sport show that isn't worthy of your respect, but ONLY when it is not used for your advantage.

[Guest Dids]

Did Lesnar ever stop stiffing people? One year ago today, he was considered too rough and likely to end Kurt Angle's career. Maybe he developed that and wasn't so bad later in 2003, but I can't ever think of any other time short of Mania (and even that would have been questionable when you consider that SSP was intended to hit) where he went out of his way to protect somebody.

Lesnar's problem wasn't stiffing Angle, it was that his size, strength and moveset were considered to be dangerous for somebody with a broken neck. He wasn't considered "likely to end Angle's career". If anybody deserved that mantle it was Angle for wrestling when he wasn't healthy. By all acounts, Brock did a great job in terms of working with Kurt in that match.

 

You're grasping at straws to find negatives. Wrestling is a fucking sport where YOU HIT PEOPLE FOR MONEY. Worked or not- people will get hurt. People will get more hurt when the person doing the hitting is a giant.

 

Yeah, Brock was new and probably put in situations that he wasn't prepared for, but does that make HIM the asshole?

 

I'm unsure as to why it matters to anybody that Brock might come back. Is it such an affront to you that somebody doesn't love wrestling as much as you do? Somebody who has a shitload more insite into how things work than just reading with a buch of wanna-be journalists tell you.

 

Yes, RIGHT NOW Brock isn't a big fan of wrestling. In part because the company he works for managed him horribly over the past several month. He was booked as an unstoppable monster, and he had to hide from a guy who jobbed to fucking Chuck tonight. He was in a fued that only ended up benefitting the guy who A- doesn't need to get any more over and B- can't wrestle. I can understand why he wants to do something else right now. If that doesn't work out, and he wants to come back and make a living entertaining people, more power to him. As long as he goes out there and does his job and entertains me, I could care less what his motivations may be. It's not hypocritical to change you mind. It's not hypocritical to do something just for the money.

 

You all are trying to make statements and what Lesnar wants based on this retarded report from a bullshit "news" site. From that you've decided that "Lesnar still wants the spotlight. He wants more and more things for less effort". How the fuck is taking up a sport you haven't played since high school wanting "more and more things for less effort". That's going to take a shitload of work, and he's doing it because he wants to live out a dream, not because he's lazy.

 

Given your inability to make a decent argument, I'm left with the conclusion that y'all are some petty, jealous bitches. If you were 6-5 300 pounds, I'm sure you'd come in and save the WWE and be the BESTEST CHAMPION EVER. Turns out that you're not, so instead you're going to sit in front of a computer and player hate because somebody isn't living up to the idiotic standards that you've set for them.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Brock didn't even job to Holly. He just was afriad Holly would go psychotic and try and kill him.

 

Can you blame him?!!

[AndrewTS 0]

(If Brock's really leaving...)

 

If he takes Sable with him and Goldberg doesn't end up staying, I bear him no ill will.

 

Brock's gripes about having to work an actual feud with Bob Holly are completely justified, in my opinion. Holly doesn't deserve jack shit.

[NYU 0]

Ugh, you people are COMPLETELY missing the point of Brock's complaints about having a feud with Hardcore Holly.

 

We all know Holly is shit. None of us really wanted to see him in the Main Event.

 

Regardless, Brock has an obligation - as the Heavyweight Champion - to try to bring Holly up to his level. He has an obligation to feud with whom WWE wants him to feud with.

 

Bret Hart once fought against the likes of Hakushi and Jean-Pierre Lafayette.

 

The Undertaker has had long feuds with Giant Gonzalez, Kamala, Kama Mustafa.....and more recently had Undisputed Title feuds with Tommy Dreamer and Jeff Hardy.

 

Triple H feuded with Bubba Ray Dudley in 2002 in a program that WAS supposed to be a PPV title match, but failed because of the lack of crowd support. And shall we mention necrophilia?

 

Shawn Michaels had a feud with the British Bulldog over an allegation that he raped Diana Hart. Stupid angle? Definitely. He still did it.

 

The Big Show, upon winning the Heavyweight Title in 1999, had a PPV title match the next month with......the Big Bossman?!?!

 

The list goes on and on.

 

As a Heavyweight Champion - or even a Main Eventer - you need to help out the other guys in the company if asked. You need to attempt to bring them up to your level, even if you don't believe they should be there.

 

Forget about the lack of skill Holly may show. It's still not Brock's job to decide who should be a Main Eventer and who shouldn't.

 

We all complained when Triple H punked out RVD and Booker T in their feuds. He made them look as if they weren't on his level, when it shouldn't even had been his right to decide.

 

What makes this Brock situation with Hardcore Holly ANY different?

[Vyce 0]

*Big Laugh @ "It's the complete and utter lack of respect and total disdain for the business that made him a fucking millionaire these past few years that pisses me off."*

 

The wrestling business is a disgusting one. It deserves little respect and much distain.

You know exactly what I mean.

 

Brock apparently thinks he's above the business that essentially created him. He's not.

[haVoc 0]

It's funny when people say wrestlers shouldn't put themselves above the business. Like people shouldn't have the right to complain about something at their job they don't like. Yeah, said wrestler may be making really good money, more then others, but the business (Vince,WWE) are making even more off them.

 

It's also funny when some ones favorite band gets pissed off at their label because they feel they are getting ripped off, even though their rich and famous, and the fans will say "fuck the label! Their ripping off the artist."

 

They don't say "the band is putting themselves above the business and the label which helped make them by giving them a contract and promoting them to the highest degree."

[The Czech Republic 0]

I hate people who freak out about their bands becoming mainstream or even if other people whom they know start taking an interest in a band. It's selfish and pathetic.

[JJMc 0]

Wait a sec, so is he still being paid his contract money? Couldn't Vince just threaten him w/ legal action for leaving? Forgive my ignorance here, but I'd appreciate an answer. -Jim

[Guest MikeSC]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

Bitching about being squashed is now a bad thing?

I don't mean SQUASH SQUASH. Remember IYH 5 vs. Diesel? He got destroyed in 4:00, but kept all of his heat. I guess that was magic.

No offense, but Owen didn't have all that much heat.

 

Just because he's dead doesn't mean we have to turn him into a heat machine.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Lesnar's problem wasn't stiffing Angle, it was that his size, strength and moveset were considered to be dangerous for somebody with a broken neck.

Uh, in that WM movie thing last week, Angle said he'd be a lot more relieved fighting a guy like HHH than Brock. It had little to do with what you mentioned, it had a lot to do with him being green and stiff.

 

I'm unsure as to why it matters to anybody that Brock might come back.  Is it such an affront to you that somebody doesn't love wrestling as much as you do?

 

No, but if the guy doesn't want to put effort in his work because he doesn't enjoy it, or someone is selling more tickets than he is, or whatever, then I don't want him wasting my time.

 

In part because the company he works for managed him horribly over the past several month.  He was booked as an unstoppable monster, and he had to hide from a guy who jobbed to fucking Chuck tonight.

 

Agree with this. I was bitching when he and Angle were getting their asses kicked by the friggin' Big Show. When he stereo chokeslammed both guys in one match, I almost spit my drink on the floor to shout ramblings about how two months ago these guys were supposedly the toughest in the company and now they're getting beaten up at the same time by Big Show.

 

If that doesn't work out, and he wants to come back and make a living entertaining people, more power to him.  As long as he goes out there and does his job and entertains me, I could care less what his motivations may be.  It's not hypocritical to change you mind.  It's not hypocritical to do something just for the money.

 

Is it hypocritical to nearly mock something on your way out ("actually hated pro wreslting", "wanted to be in a 'real sport'", etc) and then come back? And expect his top spot back?

 

I don't remmeber talking about wanting more for less and whatever. I simply said that multiple reports, not just one, clue in that he's in the process of burning his bridges yet hopes he can mend them if things don't work out.

 

Turns out that you're not, so instead you're going to sit in front of a computer and player hate because somebody isn't living up to the idiotic standards that you've set for them.

 

Actually, I saw it as a ballsy move, and I thought it might send a message to Vince regarding the whole "Building a guy up and then squashing him to Taker" thing, but then he said he doesn't like it but might go back to it for the right price and it immediately smacks of another Goldberg in the making.

[Guest Mulatto Heat]

Yeah, Brock was new and probably put in situations that he wasn't prepared for, but does that make HIM the asshole?

In itself? No.

 

I'm unsure as to why it matters to anybody that Brock might come back.  Is it such an affront to you that somebody doesn't love wrestling as much as you do?  Somebody who has a shitload more insite into how things work than just reading with a buch of wanna-be journalists tell you.

 

Then why should he come back if he hates it, WHICH IS THE REASON he left in the first place? What makes him so damn special? He is not Hulk Hogan where he can throw his weight around and actually make a damn convincing case.

 

Yes, RIGHT NOW Brock isn't a big fan of wrestling.  In part because the company he works for managed him horribly over the past several month.

 

It's not like he's the only one.

 

He was booked as an unstoppable monster, and he had to hide from a guy who jobbed to fucking Chuck tonight.  He was in a fued that only ended up benefitting the guy who A- doesn't need to get any more over and B- can't wrestle.

 

Agreed. Next.

 

I can understand why he wants to do something else right now.  If that doesn't work out, and he wants to come back and make a living entertaining people, more power to him.  As long as he goes out there and does his job and entertains me, I could care less what his motivations may be.  It's not hypocritical to change you mind.  It's not hypocritical to do something just for the money.

 

When you leave a high-paying profession, obviously money isn't a high priority for you.. at the moment. So why should that change? Changing your mind in itself isn't hypocritical. As for entertaining you, I'd say there's a good chance that Vince, petty as can be, won't even give the opportunity. Brock also didn't do his 'job' at WrestleMania, in his biggest match ever. That will go down in the annals of history and be remembered moreso than his good matches with Big Show (including the ring collapse). We have a difference in opinion on what makes a hypocrite. So don't spaz out over that.

 

You all are trying to make statements and what Lesnar wants based on this retarded report from a bullshit "news" site.  From that you've decided that "Lesnar still wants the spotlight. He wants more and more things for less effort".  How the fuck is taking up a sport you haven't played since high school wanting "more and more things for less effort".  That's going to take a shitload of work, and he's doing it because he wants to live out a dream, not because he's lazy.

 

In retrospect maybe I did waste my time arguing about this last night and right now, but in my FIRST post of this thread I said that it was the Torch (who I ALREADY think puts in made-up stuff to pad out their news items) and that it will be taken with a grain of salt! Moving on...

 

Given your inability to make a decent argument, I'm left with the conclusion that y'all are some petty, jealous bitches.  If you were 6-5 300 pounds, I'm sure you'd come in and save the WWE and be the BESTEST CHAMPION EVER.

 

WTF? Who wouldn't want to be blessed with Brock's genetics? The guy is Vince's ideal wrestler.

 

  Turns out that you're not, so instead you're going to sit in front of a computer and player hate because somebody isn't living up to the idiotic standards that you've set for them.

 

*Clicks on the 'www' in profile and sees some guy sitting in front of a computer.*

 

Seriously, I have to wonder why people just get so defensive about their favorites. There would be no "player hating" ( ) had Brock not dogged it deliberately at Mania and had Brock not gone on a radio show the next day acting like his time wrestling was a huge waste. More than one person is viewing Brock in a different light now, and it will remain when he comes back. The principle you're trying to bring up is that as long as it's 'entertaining' it doesn't matter what goes on behind the scenes. Yes, I'm sure it would be great if I and others didn't visit the news sites and read that interview, but it's out there, it's been read, it's done, and this "just enjoy it and stop reading the dirtsheet sites!!" stuff is just as asinine as it was when it was said the first time.

[Guest Dids]

How do you know he's going to "expect his top spot back"?

 

Yeah- Kurt said he'd rather work with HHH than Brock because HHH would take better care of him. That wasn't because Brock was "stiffing" people, it was because he was green. You're the one who threw out the stiffing claim.

 

And no that's not hypocritcal.

 

"You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means".

 

Brock's a champion NCAA wrestler. You don't get that way without a huge competative drive. WWE is NOT a sport, it's entertainment, and I'm sure that it didn't fuel Brock's drive like he wanted.

 

Please give an example where Brock didn't show effort in the ring. And don't give me the 'Mania match. Brock's still new- and was carried to all his best matches. Goldberg is not going to make Brock look good and vice versa. More often than not I've seen Brock busting his tail, wrestling hurt. I'm not buying that he didn't put out effort.

 

If you think you're sending a message to Vince by posting at smartmarks, you need a little reality check. The fans at MSG sent Vince a message, you're just some guy typing.

[haVoc 0]

Brock Lesnar is introduced as the “Next Big Thing in the NFL”. Mike Morris asked about jumping to the NFL and to tell people why he decided to do so. Lesnar said growing up in Minnesota it was something he always wanted to do. He said he had a wonderful three years in WWE and was always kept happy but recently grew unhappy. Went on to say that he always wanted to play football, got college offers going out of high school, right now he wants to try and make it in the NFL.

 

He said he’s 6-foot 4-inches tall and 289-punds, people ask “why walk away from Vince McMahon, making all that money?” He said it’s just about being happy. He is 26-years-old now and doesn’t want be 40-years old and wondering if he could have made in football. “I’m not saying I may never go back there someday,” said Lesnar. But, right now he wants to try out for one team, 100 percent. Being from Minnesota he hopes to try out with the Vikings. Who knows what will happen, he says, if he can’t try out there, then somewhere else. He’s already an accomplished amateur wrestler and sports entertainer.

 

Mike Morris asked if he notified Vince about being so unhappy. He said yes, he told him he was going to leave about two weeks before WrestleMania and told him about being so unhappy about six months before that. He was just flat out tired with all the traveling. He said not everyone understands the traveling schedule for wrestlers.

 

One thing he did enjoy was meeting all the people, the good money and entertaining the fans in the ring. He bought an airplane for himself but said that was just an escape coat for him and it didn’t work.

 

Morris asked about the NFL work, not as much of a bad traveling schedule but has a gruesome 7am to 7pm daily schedule. Brock said he’s always been an athletic guy, used to workouts and isn’t a push over. He’s just asking for the opportunity to try. This is something he wants to do for himself. So when he is 40 or 50-years old he can say he had the balls to walk away from a multi-million dollar contract and try this out.

 

Kelly asked about being tested, she wanted to know if there was any worrying about passing a chemical test with the steroid problem in wrestling, “is that a concern?” Brock said that’s not going to hinder him one bit, he has been taking drug tests since High School. “I'm just a white boy from South Dakota blessed by God to be as big as I am,” he said. “Drug tests aren’t the issue, the only issue is to see if I can be a football player.” He went on to say that this has been his dream since being a kid. Wrestling was always a secondary sport and even though he was better at football and did better there, he only excelled in wrestling.

 

He was asked about what position he wanted to play. He said he was open for anything. His next step is to take a couple days off to spend some time with his daughter, then fly down to tryouts with his agent “Big” John Wolf. He might be away from home still but he will sacrifice that for this opportunity. He said he wants to play on defense for sure, but he can do anything, he isn’t too slow and isn’t weak, so he’ll see what happens.

 

He was asked if he was a decorated player in High School. He said he made all state, but was injured in his senior year and couldn’t play at the beginning, but was moved to being a Fullback later that year.

 

A caller asked if he would consider going to the Canadian Football League or playing in Europe before going on into the NFL. He said that he highly doubts that, he will try to excel here in the U.S. Morris said that pretty much anyone and everyone is tested. It doesn’t matter if you’re from college or WWE.

 

Brock then talked about having the experience. He said there are a lot of guys, especially wrestlers, who go into the NFL without professional experience. He mentioned Stephen Neal from the New England Patriots and how he did that exact thing. Mike mentioned some other names that did the same thing, from being NCAA wrestlers to being NFL players. Brock said he just doesn’t want to be unhappy anymore, he knows a lot of people in wrestling who are so unhappy.

 

Kelly asked if he would consider going back to wrestling. Brock said he has been disappointed there, “I’m walking away from the wrestling business for now,” he said.

 

One of the other guys from the show pointed out how he isn’t the same Brock from last year, he appears to be more down, rather than that excited, up-beat Brock Lesnar. Brock said he has enjoyed his time working for Vince McMahon and WWE but right now its time to see if he can do something for himself.

 

Mike Morris thanks him for calling in for the interview and everyone says good bye. End of interview. Morris went on to say, “Here’s a guy walking away from a 7 or 9 million dollar contract, but what a guy to walk away to play football.”

 

Henry Walk, www.THEWrestleHolics.com

 

This has been the only interview I've heard of, or seen writen up, Brock doing since leaving WWE.

 

Where is everyone getting this "Brock called wrestling fake and said he doesn't want to do a fake sport anymore" from? Where in there does it say "Brock said he would return for the right price if football doesn't work out? Where is Brock talking down and disrespecting the business in there? How is Brock putting himself above the business?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

How do you know he's going to "expect his top spot back"?

If he wants to come back for the big money, the big money is at the top.

[buffybeast 0]

5. His personal life. Brock is currently living with his young child and the child's mother, while dating Sable. His personal life has added a lot of stress and anxiety.

 

WTF is this, Jerry Springer? He is still living with his baby's mamma yet he's screwing another woman? What kind of shit is this? You know he's still hittin' his kid's mother!!

[Guest Anglesault]

5. His personal life. Brock is currently living with his young child and the child's mother, while dating Sable. His personal life has added a lot of stress and anxiety.

 

WTF is this, Jerry Springer? He is still living with his baby's mamma yet he's screwing another woman? What kind of shit is this? You know he's still hittin' his kid's mother!!

Sounds like that Will Smith sit-com on UPN.

[Guest Anglesault]

We all complained when Triple H punked out RVD and Booker T in their feuds. He made them look as if they weren't on his level, when it shouldn't even had been his right to decide.

 

What makes this Brock situation with Hardcore Holly ANY different?

HHH totally demeaned and belittled two over guys that actually earned a title shot before beating them clean.

 

Brock ran away from Sparky Plug for months before and then after the match.

 

Big difference.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Where is everyone getting this "Brock called wrestling fake and said he doesn't want to do a fake sport anymore" from? Where in there does it say "Brock said he would return for the right price if football doesn't work out? Where is Brock talking down and disrespecting the business in there? How is Brock putting himself above the business?

The wrestling is fake line is from an old Sports Illustrated issue (or SI for Kids, I don't remember) from 4-5 years ago where he said TV wrestling is fake, and I believe he said He'd never work there.

 

Cough:HYPOCRITE!:cough

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

Bitching about being squashed is now a bad thing?

I don't mean SQUASH SQUASH. Remember IYH 5 vs. Diesel? He got destroyed in 4:00, but kept all of his heat. I guess that was magic.

No offense, but Owen didn't have all that much heat.

 

Just because he's dead doesn't mean we have to turn him into a heat machine.

-=Mike

So you're saying three weeks removed from (kayfabe wise) knocking HBK out of wrestling and gloating about it (HBK is #1 face) on TV, only to have his ass royally kicked by Diesel (HBKs best friend) and Owen DIDN'T HAVE HEAT? HA!

[King Cucaracha 0]

Owen > Brock.

 

I never heard of Owen having an attitude about jobbing, being squashed, or anything.

Bitching about being squashed is now a bad thing?

I don't mean SQUASH SQUASH. Remember IYH 5 vs. Diesel? He got destroyed in 4:00, but kept all of his heat. I guess that was magic.

No offense, but Owen didn't have all that much heat.

 

Just because he's dead doesn't mean we have to turn him into a heat machine.

-=Mike

So you're saying three weeks removed from (kayfabe wise) knocking HBK out of wrestling and gloating about it (HBK is #1 face) on TV, only to have his ass royally kicked by Diesel (HBKs best friend) and Owen DIDN'T HAVE HEAT? HA!

It's totally different.

 

Owen's character was a cowardly heel who people wanted to see lose every single match. Brock's character is a monster heel who suddenly becomes a coward for no good reason, and who people don't really mind about when it comes to win/loss records, because kayfabe had been blown apart by then.

 

A loss wouldn't damage Owen in the same way it would Brock.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Brock apparently thinks he's above the business that essentially created him. He's not.

 

Dude, the only people below the wrestling business are Murderers, Rapists, and Pedophiles.

 

... Oh wait.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

As a Heavyweight Champion - or even a Main Eventer - you need to help out the other guys in the company if asked. You need to attempt to bring them up to your level, even if you don't believe they should be there.

 

Yeah, that really worked well with HHH and Scott Steiner.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

As a Heavyweight Champion - or even a Main Eventer - you need to help out the other guys in the company if asked. You need to attempt to bring them up to your level, even if you don't believe they should be there.

 

This is such an odd statement. It works well in theory, however when you think about it, why would you want to help elevate someone? If you elevate them, then you're opening up a chance they could take your spot. I'm not saying that's right, and I'm not saying that's wrong, I'm just saying don't fault the guy for protecting his spot because that's the way it is.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Brock apparently thinks he's above the business that essentially created him. He's not.

 

Dude, the only people below the wrestling business are Murderers, Rapists, and Pedophiles.

 

... Oh wait.

More 18 month old Kane jokes...

[The Amazing Rando 0]

The thing with HHH and Steiner is that the fans did NOT want to see it and there was NOTHING either of those men could do that would make the fans change their minds.

 

It happens every once in a while where crowds just shit on the fact that they are being forced to watch something THAT bad or when they knew for a fact what the conclusion was going to be. Nobody watching either of those matches thought for ONE SECOND that Steiner was going to win.

 

Fans SHIT on Foregone Conclusions. Unless there is something to seriously grab their attention away from it (Undertaker's entrance at XX for example), they are going to just forget about it.

 

It's like watching a movie and knowing the ending...sometimes you don't even care what the means to the end was...because you know the end is gonna be shit anyway.