Oregon County bans marriages...

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Anyway, the majority is wrong a lot. Screw 'em. Thats why we have a representative democrasy and not one where we govern by phone in polls.

 

Well, you do get to vote on different issues and you did vote in a federal government to the house, senate & White House that is anti-gay marriage.

[Guest Goodear]

And thats fine, but no one here is going to sell me on the government not doing or doing something just because the majority of the populace supports it.

[Ripper 0]

cause i've voted democrat once (zell miller, great governor)

In other words you never voted Democrat.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

That won't become a major issue, because those things aren't consenting adults. Polygamy and incest are the ones that will, and that's because it is the exact same argument made against them as it is against gay marriage.

I don't think the polygamy will be an issue, as the government can cite that it could be exploited for tax purposes. Example: 500 people choose to form one large marriage so that they can pay less taxes.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

cause i've voted democrat once (zell miller, great governor)

In other words you never voted Democrat.

Oh, I know you just didn't say that about my n*gga Zell.

 

You want to talk about nut-kicking? I played soccer for 13 seasons bitch.

 

*laces up cleats*...

[2GOLD 0]

Then take away the tax break from married couples. Now the government gets more money and no one gets a tax break.

 

They really don't have a leg to stand on but people keep inventing an imaginery leg to stand on.

 

After hearing what my lovely state Senate said, I realized that really they have no grounds.

 

At one time 2/3 of the country was against interracial marriages as well. I just don't get why everyone thinks this should become a big deal. Let them get married, if God is pissed then it'll raise the dead or flood us for doing it. Otherwise, this is just plain silly.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Oh, I know you just didn't say that about my n*gga Zell.

Zell defended his record on CNN today. I think you'd be against buddying up with him, as it looks like he voted for Carter.

 

He seems not to be the left-wing "RINO" but my guess is he is having a money bag tossed his way from someone interested in Bush winning every now and then.

 

He claims to vote for Democrats and vote against Republicans for many years, but for some unexplained reason, with this particular administration, he's got his face firmly planted on their ass. Not sure why. Worst administration since Nixon, IMO.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Oh, I know you just didn't say that about my n*gga Zell.

Zell defended his record on CNN today. I think you'd be against buddying up with him, as it looks like he voted for Carter.

So what? You can forgive someone for their mistakes -- sometimes. Didn't he also vote for Mondale in '84?...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

So what? You can forgive someone for their mistakes -- sometimes.

You're that in love with Bush?

 

"Well, Zell buddy, even though you voted for a bunch of Democrats in the past, I'm such a huge Bush supporter and so interested in seeing him win this election, that I'll forgive all the work you've done against us in the past."

[Guest MikeSC]

So what? You can forgive someone for their mistakes -- sometimes.

You're that in love with Bush?

 

"Well, Zell buddy, even though you voted for a bunch of Democrats in the past, I'm such a huge Bush supporter and so interested in seeing him win this election, that I'll forgive all the work you've done against us in the past."

You mean like you're doing with Clarke?

-=mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Not to anyone specifically. It seems most liberals I hear praising this get uncomfortable and dodgy when I bring up the fact that 2/3 of the country is NOT for homosexual mairrage.

Then let me address it completely:

The problem is that Americans are stupid.

 

Great country, stupid people.

 

At one point a great number of them thought that certain people were fit to be slaves simply because of the color of their skin. And this is why the courts exist.

 

 

Courts are not bound to rule to please the majority. That's why you do not vote for your judges, because they should not have to be expected to cater to voters. They are expected to rule in a way that most likely fits the proper interpretation of the constitution.

 

So, the question is not whether the greater majority approves of gay marriage, but whether constitution excludes it.

 

BTW, that post by "Stephen Joseph" was excellent and what I would consider ideal.

[Guest MikeSC]

Not to anyone specifically. It seems most liberals I hear praising this get uncomfortable and dodgy when I bring up the fact that 2/3 of the country is NOT for homosexual mairrage.

Then let me address it completely:

The problem is that Americans are stupid.

 

Great country, stupid people.

 

At one point a great number of them thought that certain people were fit to be slaves simply because of the color of their skin. And this is why the courts exist.

 

 

Courts are not bound to rule to please the majority. That's why you do not vote for your judges, because they should not have to be expected to cater to voters. They are expected to rule in a way that most likely fits the proper interpretation of the constitution.

 

So, the question is not whether the greater majority approves of gay marriage, but whether constitution excludes it.

 

BTW, that post by "Stephen Joseph" was excellent and what I would consider ideal.

If you don't mind me asking --- does anybody have any kind of ACTUAL numbers of people who "supported" slavery? Most Southerners didn't CARE as less than 5% even owned them. Nobody wanted to deal with the possible problems, but since the Congress was laden with slaveholders, who in the world knows how many citizens HONESTLY cared one way or the other?

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

You mean like you're doing with Clarke?

-=mike

Let's keep that in it's thread, please.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

So what? You can forgive someone for their mistakes -- sometimes.

You're that in love with Bush?

 

"Well, Zell buddy, even though you voted for a bunch of Democrats in the past, I'm such a huge Bush supporter and so interested in seeing him win this election, that I'll forgive all the work you've done against us in the past."

Right. OMG he supports Bush so I must like him.

 

N*gga please. I've liked Zell since I read some stuff about him in 2000 (sorry I don't have the exact date and time when I made my conversion).

 

This is why I don't blame people for being partisan. AHA -- you admit you like someone that previously voted against the Party you're voting for this election. Your house of cards built on lies is tumbling down, buddy.

 

I also like John Breaux, Joe Lieberman, Evan Bayh (or whatever his name is) and Harold Ford Jr. There are a few others whose names escape me. I would try to like more Democrats, but that would get in the way of my weekly circle-jerk I hold in honor of Bush...

[Firestarter 0]

let me address it completely:

The problem is that Americans are stupid.

 

Great country, stupid people.

In short, despite your protestations to the contrary, the article I quoted some time ago perfectly summed up your real views.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I don't believe Americans are stupid, and neither does the Republican Party. Let's see whom the voters choose in November: the paternalistic, patronising, sneering donkeys, whose answer to every problem is to impose their own solution by diktat, or the GOP, which actually respects the people, the states, and the Constitution.

[Guest Cerebus]

Ah ok, public opinion only matters if the liberal elite AGREE with it, otherwise its just the public being stupid or ignorant.

 

Gotcha.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

the paternalistic, patronising, sneering donkeys, whose answer to every problem is to impose their own solution by diktat, or the GOP, which actually respects the people, the states, and the Constitution.

Remind me again which party is pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to ban same-sex marriage...

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Ah ok, public opinion only matters if the liberal elite AGREE with it, otherwise its just the public being stupid or ignorant.

 

Gotcha.

I don't remember saying anything like that. If the court ruled something leaning conservative that the majority didn't agree with, it's as legitimate as if they ruled something liberal-leaning.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Thanks for the clarification. I don't believe Americans are stupid, and neither does the Republican Party.

Maybe I spoke too strongly, but what I'm trying to say is that the general public tends to move together like a herd of sheep, all going in the same direction even if each individual is not well-informed of where they're going. Sometimes, they are so ill-informed they probably should not be allowed to make the decision (see that interracial marriage poing someone made earlier, the same is true for interracial schools as well.)

 

Let's see whom the voters choose in November: the paternalistic, patronising, sneering donkeys, whose answer to every problem is to impose their own solution by diktat

 

Nice, so not only do ignore a piece of checks and balances (court reviewal, interpretation, and decision) but you do so by making me sound like the condescending one, all the while being mocking and insulting at the same time. A hat trick, good for you.

 

Why do we elect representatives, anyway? Because they represent us and vote on issues for us. We do not sit and run phone-in polls on each and every issue like renaming a Post Office in Arkansas. I'm sure there's been many times an issue has come up where an issue, either big or as small as naming a Post Office, where a representative has voted differently than the majority of their constituency.

 

These things happen, they're a result of a nation where not each and every thing is decided and finalized by us all sitting around checking a YES or NO box on everything.

[Guest MikeSC]

let me address it completely:

The problem is that Americans are stupid.

 

Great country, stupid people.

In short, despite your protestations to the contrary, the article I quoted some time ago perfectly summed up your real views.

 

Thanks for the clarification. I don't believe Americans are stupid, and neither does the Republican Party. Let's see whom the voters choose in November: the paternalistic, patronising, sneering donkeys, whose answer to every problem is to impose their own solution by diktat, or the GOP, which actually respects the people, the states, and the Constitution.

Marney, the Dems have thought Americans are dumb for years. God knows a party that respects people would want to give them a little more choice in their life, rather than less.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Ah ok, public opinion only matters if the liberal elite AGREE with it, otherwise its just the public being stupid or ignorant.

 

Gotcha.

I don't remember saying anything like that. If the court ruled something leaning conservative that the majority didn't agree with, it's as legitimate as if they ruled something liberal-leaning.

Hmm, Bush v Gore indicates otherwise.

-=Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

the paternalistic, patronising, sneering donkeys, whose answer to every problem is to impose their own solution by diktat, or the GOP, which actually respects the people, the states, and the Constitution.

Remind me again which party is pushing for a Constitutional Amendment to ban same-sex marriage...

Not the same party that is simply ignoring law and doing what they want.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Hmm, Bush v Gore indicates otherwise.

-=Mike

Why? No matter how much those people on the streets want to sit and shout about "not my President" or whatever, he, Bush, *IS* the President. I dont see what's so hard to grasp about that.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Not the same party that is simply ignoring law and doing what they want.

-=Mike

That received flack and disapproval from a lot of Democrats, including Dianne Feinstein, who's both far left (huge gun control advocate) and a pretty influential figure among voters in state politics.

 

The Democrats are not rallying around the San Francisco Mayor the way the GOP rallies around Bush. Sorry.

[Guest MikeSC]

Hmm, Bush v Gore indicates otherwise.

    -=Mike

Why? No matter how much those people on the streets want to sit and shout about "not my President" or whatever, he, Bush, *IS* the President. I dont see what's so hard to grasp about that.

Ask the psychotic minions of your party.

-=Mike

[Guest Wildbomb 4:20]

As if the Republicans don't have minions who claim that Bush was ordained by God to be President?

[Guest MikeSC]

As if the Republicans don't have minions who claim that Bush was ordained by God to be President?

Not one that I've ever seen.

-=Mike

...Of course, Bush is facing the "Second Black President"-to-be in John Kerry. I guess the black leadership has given up on getting an actual black guy in office at any point

[Highland 0]

I hate to quote a movie, but it is very apt for this topic, "A person is smart, but people are stupid."

[Jobber of the Week 0]

As if the Republicans don't have minions who claim that Bush was ordained by God to be President?

Not one that I've ever seen.

Your friend and mine (and yes, I say that mockingly), Pat "God told me Bush would win" Buchanan?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I hate to quote a movie, but it is very apt for this topic, "A person is smart, but people are stupid."

 

Agent K, Men in Black, right?

 

That received flack and disapproval from a lot of Democrats, including Dianne Feinstein, who's both far left (huge gun control advocate) and a pretty influential figure among voters in state politics.

 

I'm curious -- why did she vote for Bush's tax cut (I figure you're in the area so you might know)? Trust me, she's not on my list of Democrats I like, but learning of her vote did make me do a double-take...