Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I don't care what Google says, there is no way any ECW ppv got 400,000 buys. Impossible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 This is great news! I'm still a loyal orderer but it's getting quite tedious to buy the shows, have them taped and then wait almost a week to get them at school. TNA on free TV will be so much easier (and save me money!) Plus it would get a whole hell of a bigger audience. This might be an odd question, but I wonder if they would air on Comcast SportsNet too? See in the DC and Philly markets, instead of Fox Sports Net there's Comcast Sportnet that plays the local sports but also carries FSN programming (like Best damn sports show period). At home I get Comcast Sportnet DC and at school I get Comcast Sportsnet Philly, so it would really suck to be totally left in the dark, but hopefully it will be played on those networks as well, like other FSN shows. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 What would this do to Xplosion? Xplosion is seen pretty much throughout the country now, and here for instance (Buffalo, NY), they have a sweet timeslot of Sunday nights at 10:00 PM on the Empire Sports Network. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 What would this do to Xplosion? Xplosion is seen pretty much throughout the country now, and here for instance (Buffalo, NY), they have a sweet timeslot of Sunday nights at 10:00 PM on the Empire Sports Network. It wouldn't have to go anywhere unless they wanted it to. It would be like WWE's syndicated shows. Show prelim matches and recaps... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 31, 2004 They would only need like 15,000 buys for them to break even with a monthly ppv. With weekly national tv they should be able to get 20,000-30,000 or even higher. ECW averaged around 100,000 buys for their ppvs, but they had a rabid fanbase and wrestling was more popular then. ECW's final ppv of 2000 "Massacre On 34th Street" grabbed a monstrous near 400,000 people, probably due to people receiving it as a Christmas gift. Umm, no, they did not get close to that for any of them. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Buyrate info says otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Buyrate info says otherwise. An AVERAGE ECW PPV buyrate was in the 0.2-0.25 range. Â That was their USUAL buyrate. Â It defies any form of logic to assume that the show --- after they were off TV --- drew about 4 times their normal number. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Buyrate info says otherwise. um, no it doesn't. If Google says that the buyrate was such that they had 400,000 orders, then Google is wrong. Now you can continue to believe just because Google said it that it is correct, or you can take a step back and think about it and you'd realize how absolutely insane that number is. If you have any knowledge of wrestling ppv buyrate history and what the numbers mean, then you would know that that number is so far off it's not even worth discussing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 Oh, I thought you were disagreeing with 100,000 buy number. You didn't make it clear in your last post that you meant the 400,000 buy number. Maybe it just drew a huge buyrate because people thought it was the final ECW ppv? Whatever the case I don't see this number disputed anywhere by another number, so I shall take it as fact. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I know it sounds ridiculously high and that it is about 4 times the normal they do. I just haven't seen evidence anywhere to say that it is wrong. All ECW buyrate sources on the internet post this number. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I wouldn't say the 100,000 buy number is out of the relm of possibility. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I know it sounds ridiculously high and that it is about 4 times the normal they do. I just haven't seen evidence anywhere to say that it is wrong. All ECW buyrate sources on the internet post this number. But none CITE it. NOBODY mentions WHERE the heck they got it from. Â It seems odd that ECW would shut their doors about a month after getting the greatest buyrate in their lives by a huge margin. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 It seems odd that ECW would shut their doors about a month after getting the greatest buyrate in their lives by a huge margin. Those 2 things don't have anything to do with each other. They wouldn't see that money for at least a year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 It's a bullshit number. Nobody checked it because the company was going out of business. Email Dave asking, and after he's done laughing, he'll send you the real buyrate. Â Assuming TNA will get more than ECW just because of national TV is a huge assumption too. ECW's fanbase, while small, was fanatically dedicated, and would buy everything. By the end of WCW's run, they were pulling similar buyrates and smaller attendances with national television. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest nikowwf Report post Posted March 31, 2004 You could also attribute it to a typo. ECW PPV's got LOWER than WCW, except for maybe the very last WCW shows that were like rock bottom. Â Still, they were getting more than 15,000 or so buys which is the level you said they needed which is most than doable. Â niko Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I emailed Dave Meltzer and he said ECW never beat .25-.3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 I emailed Dave Meltzer and he said ECW never beat .25-.3. Meltzer writes back to people just like that? Â I should do that sometime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoboBrazil 0 Report post Posted March 31, 2004 He does sometimes. If you do don't ask him about upcoming storylines or ask questions about anything that is supposed to happen in the future. He will not respond to those. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 It's a bullshit number. Nobody checked it because the company was going out of business. Email Dave asking, and after he's done laughing, he'll send you the real buyrate. Assuming TNA will get more than ECW just because of national TV is a huge assumption too. ECW's fanbase, while small, was fanatically dedicated, and would buy everything. By the end of WCW's run, they were pulling similar buyrates and smaller attendances with national television. You bring up a very interesting point. On one of the last couple of Wrestling Observer Lives, Meltzer and Alvarez were discussing one of the last WCW ppv's because Alvarez is writing a book on the history/demise of WCW. They were saying how when tickets went on sale for the ppv, they sold $90,000 worth of tickets. In the next 4 weeks, they sold another $7,000 worth of tickets, which mean with 4 HOURS OF PRIMETIME TV a week for 4 weeks to "sell" the ppv, they sold an additional 300 tickets.  A national deal for TNA doesn't guarantee anything. ECW had a deal, but no one really knew about it except for the ardent fan base because TNN NEVER advertised them. A lot of their success I believe will be on how much FOX advertises the show. Will wrestlers get to appear on Best Damn Sports Show? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 The buys are simple  ECW was dying and many of the old fans bought the show so it wouldn't die. It was what one could call the last gasp of a fanbase.  As for this, what I want to know is how much they are paying to air on FSN? Are they paying? I mean, what's the deal there?  Having national tv doesn't help if you are overpaying for the timeslot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 The buys are simple ECW was dying and many of the old fans bought the show so it wouldn't die. It was what one could call the last gasp of a fanbase. what do you base that on? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 The buys are simple ECW was dying and many of the old fans bought the show so it wouldn't die. It was what one could call the last gasp of a fanbase. what do you base that on?  That I posted it on April Fool's Day. Cause you'd have to be a fool to believe ECW did that number.   I'm still more interested in how much TNA will be charged for this timeslot or if they are being charged at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 The buys are simple ECW was dying and many of the old fans bought the show so it wouldn't die. It was what one could call the last gasp of a fanbase. what do you base that on?  That I posted it on April Fool's Day. Cause you'd have to be a fool to believe ECW did that number. Sure, nice cover. Problem is we started this discussion yesterday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michrome 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 I honestly blame ECW more than TNN for the failure. What kind of morons rip the TV station running your program on your show? Further, the ECW product was awful by the time ECW got on TNN. Had they got this type of national deal in 1995, then I think they would have gained massive popularity. However, by the time they were on TV, the only appeal was the occasional *** junior match, and Tanaka vs. Awesome matches. WCW had better juniors, and who is going to stay home friday night for one hardcore cool match? The product wasn't good enough in 99 to draw fans. Right now, I think TNA will have to step it up a notch to draw a national fanbase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted April 1, 2004 I honestly blame ECW more than TNN for the failure. What kind of morons rip the TV station running your program on your show? Further, the ECW product was awful by the time ECW got on TNN. Had they got this type of national deal in 1995, then I think they would have gained massive popularity. However, by the time they were on TV, the only appeal was the occasional *** junior match, and Tanaka vs. Awesome matches. WCW had better juniors, and who is going to stay home friday night for one hardcore cool match? The product wasn't good enough in 99 to draw fans. Right now, I think TNA will have to step it up a notch to draw a national fanbase. Hopefully the last month of TNA shows are the start of a trend towards a good product again. While their haven't been any blowaway matches they managed to keep 90% of the matches between **-*** for the most part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 I honestly blame ECW more than TNN for the failure. What kind of morons rip the TV station running your program on your show? Further, the ECW product was awful by the time ECW got on TNN. Had they got this type of national deal in 1995, then I think they would have gained massive popularity. However, by the time they were on TV, the only appeal was the occasional *** junior match, and Tanaka vs. Awesome matches. WCW had better juniors, and who is going to stay home friday night for one hardcore cool match? The product wasn't good enough in 99 to draw fans. Right now, I think TNA will have to step it up a notch to draw a national fanbase. While that is all true (especially the part about if ECW went "national" on TV and ppv in 1995, things might be very different today as their opportunity was lost the day Public Enemy went through a table on Nitro), TNN did ZERO to advertise them, going against what they had said they'd do. Yes, ECW sucked then and so did Friday night, but TNN didn't help either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 The monthly ppv better go down to $19.95 and Raven is right there are a lot of guys in TNA that need to upgrade their looks, guys like Konnan,James, Teddy Hart, and even amazing Red look like they get their stuff from the Salvation Army. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 A 3 hour monthly ppv that they would depend on for their income cannot be $19.95. $29.95 is good. Wrestling ppv history has shown that a decrease in price has nothing to do with more people buying. A good product, and they will buy. People aren't buying 2 hours for 10 bucks now. If they lowered it to $5, they still wouldn't buy. If the show was awesome, people would pay $20. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
