Styles 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 This can't stand! Just one more step towards overturning Roe v. Wade and god (lower case, not referring to any one denomination, just a figure of speech) knows what else! Not only are we now defining a fetus as a person, but we're also further harshening sentencing. Now, not that I agree with murder, especially of a pregnant woman, that's not cool, but still, this is just a way to further opress the opressed by convicting them of more crimes that are only defined by the "President's" religious views to begin with! Unbelievable! Bush signs bill making it crime to harm fetus Laci Peterson's family at ceremony Thursday, April 1, 2004 Posted: 3:35 PM EST (2035 GMT) President Bush signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act Thursday. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Story Tools -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ON CNN TV Karen Hughes, a key adviser to President Bush, is interviewed, and the AFL-CIO launches a new television commercial backing John Kerry. Candy Crowley has that and more when she hosts "Judy Woodruff's Inside Politics" at 3:30 p.m. ET Thursday. THE MORNING GRIND Bittersweet trip: Dick Gephardt thanks his backers VIDEO CNN's Bruce Morton on how liberals are moving into talk radio. PLAY VIDEO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- CNN's John King on President Bush's disappointment with OPEC's production cut. PLAY VIDEO RELATED Kerry resting after shoulder surgery Schwarzenegger takes sexual harassment course RNC opens assault on anti-Bush groups YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS George W. Bush Unborn Victims of Violence Act Laci Peterson or Create your own Manage alerts | What is this? WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush invoked the case of pregnant murder victim Laci Peterson on Thursday as he signed legislation expanding legal rights of the unborn. "The suffering of two victims can never equal only one offense," Bush said. Bush was joined on an East Room stage by Peterson's mother, Sharon Rocha, and her stepfather, Ron Grantski. Peterson was eight months pregnant when she disappeared in December 2002 in the highly publicized case. Supporters of the bill have cited her and the son who was to have been named Connor. "This little soul never saw light, but he is loved and he is remembered," the president said. "All who knew Laci Peterson have mourned two deaths and the law cannot look away and pretend there was just one." Bush gave the bill, an important one to many in his conservative base, the first elaborate signing ceremony of the year. The law makes it a crime to harm a fetus during an assault on a pregnant woman. "As of today, the law of our nation will acknowledge the plain fact that crimes of violence against a pregnant woman often have two victims," Bush said. "Therefore, in those cases, there are two offenses to be punished." The bill passed by a 245-163 vote in the House and by a 61-38 margin in the Senate. People on both sides of the fetal rights and abortion issue have said the new law will have far-reaching consequences. Abortion opponents welcome it as a step toward more sweeping protections for the unborn, while abortion-rights proponents say the measure represents the first recognition in federal law of an embryo or fetus as a separate person. Sen. John Kerry, D-Massachusetts, Bush's presumptive opponent in this fall's election, voted against the bill. Bush has said he doesn't believe the country is ready to completely ban abortions; he opposes them except in cases of rape or incest or when pregnancy endangers a woman's life. That position has become a standard line in most of his speeches. Bush has taken several actions that have pleased anti-abortion advocates. As one of the first acts of his presidency, he reinstated the "Mexico City policy" that bars U.S. money from international groups that support abortion, even with their own money, through direct services, counseling or lobbying activities. He has signed legislation that bans certain late-term abortions and that amends legal definitions of "person," "human being," "child" and "individual" to include any fetus that survives an abortion. He has increased federal support for abstinence education, adoption and crisis pregnancy programs, placed severe restrictions on federal funding for human embryonic stem cell research to only a few existing cell lines and extended state health coverage to "unborn children." The measure Bush signed Thursday is limited in scope, applying only to harm to a fetus while a federal crime, such as a terrorist attack or drug-related shooting, is being committed against the pregnant mother. The legislation defines a potential victim as "a member of the species homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb." A number of states have similar laws, including California, which is trying Peterson's husband, Scott, on double murder charges. Peterson, 31, could face the death penalty if he is found guilty of killing his pregnant wife, Laci. He has pleaded innocent. Lawyers and the judge have completed the second week of questioning potential jurors. 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Ripper 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 o·ver·kill n. 1: Destructive nuclear capacity exceeding the amount needed to destroy an enemy. Excessive killing. 2:An excess of what is necessary or appropriate for a particular end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 1, 2004 o·ver·kill n. 1: Destructive nuclear capacity exceeding the amount needed to destroy an enemy. Excessive killing. 2:An excess of what is necessary or appropriate for a particular end. And that's just what the Religious Right is trying to do. Stay out of our wombs Uncle Sam (Well, I technically don't have a womb, but I am a Metrasexual)... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Guy 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 This can't stand! Just one more step towards overturning Roe v. Wade and god (lower case, not referring to any one denomination, just a figure of speech) knows what else! I'm offended at the mere mention of the "g" word. How can you say that "god only knows". I find that offensive. Saying that presumes that one exists adn since you're probably a Christian, I'll ignorantly infer that you are saying that your god is better thna others. You bigoted piece of filth. It's people like you who have started this war against the peaceful religion of Islam. Besides everyone knows that only liberals know best. The Americn public (especially those in "flyover country" is just too ignorant to understand the nuiances of our thinking). Oh shit did I just say that outloud? Now some schmuck is going to write a best seeling book about it and we'll have to start another smear campaign. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 o·ver·kill n. 1: Destructive nuclear capacity exceeding the amount needed to destroy an enemy. Excessive killing. 2:An excess of what is necessary or appropriate for a particular end. ^^^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 If the child is born to a fine, upstanding, working family and a member of a good Christian church, then I fully support this amendment. Otherwise, big deal! Although if it results in a harsher sentence for those criminals you wimpy convict-loving liberals love so much, then I guess there's an upside. In general, I think those welfare leeches should be required to undergo sterilization, as well as any of their children they already have. If not, more and more money better spent in my pocket will be wasted on public housing and food stamps. They make me sick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 This can't stand! Just one more step towards overturning Roe v. Wade and god (lower case, not referring to any one denomination, just a figure of speech) knows what else! I'm offended at the mere mention of the "g" word. How can you say that "god only knows". I find that offensive. Saying that presumes that one exists adn since you're probably a Christian, I'll ignorantly infer that you are saying that your god is better thna others. You bigoted piece of filth. It's people like you who have started this war against the peaceful religion of Islam. Besides everyone knows that only liberals know best. The Americn public (especially those in "flyover country" is just too ignorant to understand the nuiances of our thinking). Oh shit did I just say that outloud? Now some schmuck is going to write a best seeling book about it and we'll have to start another smear campaign. Friend, you couldn't be more wrong about me. How dare you call me a christian (lower case because Jesus wasn't anything special). What religion is responsible in this world for more bigotry, hatred, killing and backwardsness than christianity? But at the same time, friend, we must be tolerant of ALL people. So if one chooses to worship no god, 1 god, 2 gods, his socks, goats or lasanga then it is his RIGHT AS AN AMERICA to do so, and I will not exclude them. Thank lasanga that the ACLU exists to punish the facists who try to impose their will on others through such things as "christmas holiday". Hello, freedom from religion anyone!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 Thank lasanga I laughed. Oh no, now I'm a RELIGIONIST~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 Stares at hands What has come over me? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 I.... I don't know. I vaguely remember seeing the Media Whore in my sig and then it all went black. It's amusing to see how much some of us understand each other's viewpoints and a few of us who either don't or intentionally embellished, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Styles 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 I.... I don't know. I vaguely remember seeing the Media Whore in my sig and then it all went black. I think it's best we just forget this ever happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted April 2, 2004 I think it's best we just forget this ever happened. OK. PS: Your sig is huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
