The Eddy Guerrero Miracle

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

Is it possible for Eddy Guerrero to carry Bradshaw to a good pay per view match? By good, I'd say... ***1/2. My guess is that they will give them in between 15-20 minutes to develop the match.

 

My guess is that with careful planning, they could have a great match. If they could disguise Bradshaw's weaknesses, they can pull this off. They could do almost a Sting vs. Vader thing. Eddy could start out quickly, hit some big moves, and come close to pulling off a quick one in under 5 minutes. Then Eddy takes a risk and it doesn't pay off. Bradshaw dominates Eddy's back and neck with a variation of power moves, with Eddy having little comeback spurts but never developing much. Have Bradshaw get some scary close near falls. Then in the end Eddy makes the babyface comeback and hits a frog splash for the clean win.

 

Bradshaw still looks like a monster and Eddy can overcome all of the opposition like a strong champion would.

 

Then again, easier said than done. Bradshaw is no Vader as far as workrate... then again, Sting is no Eddy Guerrero either.

[King Cucaracha 0]

If anyone can do it, Eddie can.

 

I can't see it going above **1/2 myself though...

[Guest Brian]

This isn't a spoiler, is it? Because as I understand it, the match hasn't been announced yet so were still speculating at this point.

 

Eddy might be able to get something decent out of him, but what kind of offense does Bradshaw have?

[Guest Anglesault]

15 minutes, **1/2

[Guest Your Olympic Hero]

I don't think it's a spoiler. I haven't even read the SD results for this week. It just seems like what they are building toward.

 

As for Bradshaw's offense... clothesline from hell, powerbomb, umm... how hard can it be to just do some brutal looking power moves and work on a body part?

[ISportsFan 0]

But, Sting and Vader were both capable workers, at the very least, and awesome at the very best. This, unfortunately, is not anywhere near that.

 

Eddie is better than either Vader or Sting. Eddie, though, can't carry Bradshaw since nobody can. Bradshaw has never had a good match in singles. Heck, I can't even remember a good tag match with him. He's a lot like Billy Gunn, I think, in that he can be entertaining with a good tag team gimmick, but pushing him in any way as a singles wrestler is a disaster. He gets gassed early in matches, uses a lot of restholds, and is generally not very creative with his moveset (his finisher is a freaking clothesline (a good one, but a clothesline nonetheless, so the rest of his moves have to be weaker than that). He's never been good at ring psychology or anything of the sort, either.

 

In general, this is a trainwreck and a shame that Eddie will get blamed for the buyrate. I don't think anyone will blame him for the match quality, though. That's all Bradshaw.

 

Every single report from house shows with this match includes Bradshaw working the chinlock, too, so I am not optimistic. **1/4 tops.

 

Jason

[SamoaRowe 0]

I predict the ppv buyrate will suck no matter what, but oh well.

 

I could imagine the match getting *** if they can protect Bradshaw well enough, and I think Eddie could do it. However, i wouldn't be surprised if Bradshaw were to get the Steiner or Goldberg treatment, and just have the fans lose all interest in the match despite how hard Eddie might be working.

[Guest TheArchiteck]

You think they will give Eddie a clean win?

[Guest Anglesault]

I predict that JBL will kick out of the Frog Splash, only to attempt a CfWS, Eddie ducks and wins with a backslide.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

As much as I love Eddie and what good that is left off, I'm missing out on JD. I'm not expectinf a good undercard either.

 

(unless WWE changes their minds at the last and give Eddie a better opponent for the PPV then I'll go)

[Fro 0]

But, Sting and Vader were both capable workers, at the very least, and awesome at the very best. This, unfortunately, is not anywhere near that.

 

Eddie is better than either Vader or Sting. Eddie, though, can't carry Bradshaw since nobody can. Bradshaw has never had a good match in singles. Heck, I can't even remember a good tag match with him. He's a lot like Billy Gunn, I think, in that he can be entertaining with a good tag team gimmick, but pushing him in any way as a singles wrestler is a disaster. He gets gassed early in matches, uses a lot of restholds, and is generally not very creative with his moveset (his finisher is a freaking clothesline (a good one, but a clothesline nonetheless, so the rest of his moves have to be weaker than that). He's never been good at ring psychology or anything of the sort, either.

 

In general, this is a trainwreck and a shame that Eddie will get blamed for the buyrate. I don't think anyone will blame him for the match quality, though. That's all Bradshaw.

 

Every single report from house shows with this match includes Bradshaw working the chinlock, too, so I am not optimistic. **1/4 tops.

 

Jason

I think Bradshaw can be carried... he's never been in the ring with a top tier worker for us to find out for sure.

 

I can't remember him wrestling Bret, Michaels, Flair, Benoit, Angle, or Eddy before. The APA never fought any great tag teams (they were MIA during the Smackdown Six period).

 

Certainly Flair or Michaels in their primes could drag *** 1/2 out of him.

 

If I were laying out the match, I'd have Eddy in control for most of the first part of the match working over Bradshaw's legs, then book most of Bradshaw in control as a brawl outside the ring. Angle makes it falls-count-anywhere and No DQ. Bradshaw hits Eddy with some assorted plunder.

 

Bradshaw powerbombs Eddy on the hood of his low-rider. Eddy is dead.

 

Bradshaw carries Eddy back in goes for the 3-count, only 2! Bradshaw goes through the rest of his moveset and gets 2-count for each move. Hits the sleeper, mini-Eddy comeback. Eddy goes up top but gets crotched by Angle. Bradshaw hits a fallaway slam off the top and gets two.

 

Bradshaw hits his Clothesline from Hell, Eddy kicks out, Eddy makes comeback and wins.

 

That's the idea... you can get a good 20 minute match out of that... won't be great, but it would be good. Bradshaw is a better worker than Sid or Nash and Michaels and Bret carried both of them to pretty good matches.

[Guest Anglesault]

Angle fought Bradshaw in the qualifyer for the 2000 KoTR.

 

I wouldn't say they NEVER fought, butI know what you mean.

[Guest Jay Z. Hollywood]

Angle fought Bradshaw in the qualifyer for the 2000 KoTR.

 

I wouldn't say they NEVER fought, butI know what you mean.

I actually remember that match being pretty good too.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Comparing Bradshaw to Sting should be a suspendable offense, but comparing him to Vader is even worse.

 

Bradshaw has NO WRESTLING SKILLS. his gimmick is I.R.S Version 2.0, and the only reason that gimmick lived so long was because Mike Rotundo was a GOOD wrestler.

 

Bradshaw is shit. He always was shit, and he will always be shit. I don't order a PPV because "he cut 1 good promo". I expect good wrestling, at least in the main event. And this is show is not going to be producing that.

[Michrome 0]

Nope. Eddy is not the Eddy he was a few years ago, he couldn't even carry Hunter to something good on Raw. He failed to carry The Big Show, and had a solid, but not great match with Kurt Angle. The best thing they can do is make Kurt a special ref to add all kinds of shenanigans. ** tops.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Whoops, I forgot my rating prediction......20:00 match with Bradshaw....I'll say *, and that's being generous. I'm usually predicting higher ratings than matches deliver.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Comparing Bradshaw to Sting should be a suspendable offense, but comparing him to Vader is even worse.

 

And the sad thing is they jobbed Vader out to Bradshaw at Vader's last PPV match (Breakdown).

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Comparing Bradshaw to Sting should be a suspendable offense, but comparing him to Vader is even worse.

 

And the sad thing is they jobbed Vader out to Bradshaw at Vader's last PPV match (Breakdown).

Thanks for the reminder.... Vader got treated like shit in 1998.

[King Cucaracha 0]

15 minutes, **1/2

Question is AS, do you think Bradshaw can go 15 minutes without either getting blown up or reverting to chinlock mode?

 

Bradshaw has NO WRESTLING SKILLS

 

If he had no wrestling skills he wouldn't be in a wrestling ring. I think what you mean is he's a brawler, not a workrate king. And we all know wrestling revolves around work-rate now-a-days.

 

Mike Rotundo was a good wrestler? Bradshaw's APA 'smash-mouth' style was more entertaining than Rotundo. I can't remember a good match he had without DiBiase carrying him.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

15 minutes, **1/2

Question is AS, do you think Bradshaw can go 15 minutes without either getting blown up or reverting to chinlock mode?

 

Bradshaw has NO WRESTLING SKILLS

 

If he had no wrestling skills he wouldn't be in a wrestling ring. I think what you mean is he's a brawler, not a workrate king. And we all know wrestling revolves around work-rate now-a-days.

 

Mike Rotundo was a good wrestler? Bradshaw's APA 'smash-mouth' style was more entertaining than Rotundo. I can't remember a good match he had without DiBiase carrying him.

I think that Bradshaw can go fifteen minutes without needing to do that, even if he hasn't really had the chance one-on-one for that long in quite a while.

 

And yes, Bradshaw does have wrestling skills - he's not a scientific wrestler, but he isn't known for blowing spots often, and he could scrape out a worthy fifteen minutes when needed, and that's without Eddy carrying him.

[Michrome 0]

Really? Why don't you cite the last time he did for us?

 

I can't remember the last Bradshaw match where I wasn't embarrased to be watching such bad wrestling. He's a bad brawler, he has no interesting offense, he doesn't know how to pace a match, and he hasn't sold for anyone in years. Oh yeah, and he's slow as hell too.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Really? Why don't you cite the last time he did for us?

He hasn't.

 

But then again, the main reason is because he's been a tag team wrestler for the past 5 or 6 years. I can't remember the last time Bradshaw had a fifteen minute match, let alone a singles match that went 15 or over, and let alone a good one.

 

That's why I wondered if he could go fifteen minutes.

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Really?  Why don't you cite the last time he did for us?

He hasn't.

 

But then again, the main reason is because he's been a tag team wrestler for the past 5 or 6 years. I can't remember the last time Bradshaw had a fifteen minute match, let alone a singles match that went 15 or over, and let alone a good one.

 

That's why I wondered if he could go fifteen minutes.

Pretty much exactly what I was going to say.

[Guest Goodear]

Thanks for the reminder.... Vader got treated like shit in 1998.

He also wrestled like shit in 1998 and ever since as well. The downward sprial he went on after losing to Flair and Hogan is staggering.

[haVoc 0]

Can't believe I'm going to type this.... But thank God the Raw PPV is before this crappy Smackdown PPV. I'm looking forward to Backlash, I can hardly watch SD at the moment.

[cawthon777 0]

They had a 2 out of 3 falls match at Monday's house show. It seemed like it came off well and I see that as probably being the best way to protect Bradshaw.

 

They go 10 minutes or less ... Eddie hits the frog splash ... 1-2-3 ... Angle comes out, makes it 2 out of 3 falls ... Eddie takes the CfH immediately after ... 1-2-3 ... Bradshaw busts him open right after the fall ... Eddie sells it like death ... Bradshaw smacks him around for 5-10 minutes ... goes for a superplex ... Eddie knocks him off ... froggie ... 1-2-3

[Guest I Got Banned for Sucking]

Before I read that cawthon, I thought it very irregular for a 2-out-3 Falls match to occur at a House Show, unless it were an overseas tour, etc.

 

But it was a pretty basic 2-out-of-3 Falls, and if it was decent (only decent would usually not do the stipulation justice), you have to wonder whether or not that would hurt the Judgment Day Main Event.

 

No use bitching about now, anyway... We're in for the long haul.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

15 minutes, **1/2

Question is AS, do you think Bradshaw can go 15 minutes without either getting blown up or reverting to chinlock mode?

 

Bradshaw has NO WRESTLING SKILLS

 

If he had no wrestling skills he wouldn't be in a wrestling ring. I think what you mean is he's a brawler, not a workrate king. And we all know wrestling revolves around work-rate now-a-days.

 

Mike Rotundo was a good wrestler? Bradshaw's APA 'smash-mouth' style was more entertaining than Rotundo. I can't remember a good match he had without DiBiase carrying him.

So Rotundo, who was a great amatuer wrestler at Syracuse (the college I believe he went to), is a terrible wrestler, yet Bradshaw, who can't wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag, is a good worker.

 

 

I'M IN BIZZARO WORLD!!! Next People will praise Triple H!

[King Cucaracha 0]

So Rotundo, who was a great amatuer wrestler at Syracuse (the college I believe he went to), is a terrible wrestler, yet Bradshaw, who can't wrestle his way out of a wet paper bag, is a good worker.

 

Uh, no.

 

Rotundo was consistantly BORING in the WWF. I could care less about his amateur stuff, because I never saw them, they were never mentioned, and he didn't really show it in the ring.

 

Bradshaw isn't a good wrestler. I never said he was. But not everything has to come down to workrate, and amateur backgrounds, and how many different types of leg-bars a guy can use. That's great when it's done well, don't get me wrong. The stuff I saw from Rotundo for the majority wasn't.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

But, Sting and Vader were both capable workers, at the very least, and awesome at the very best. This, unfortunately, is not anywhere near that.

 

Eddie is better than either Vader or Sting. Eddie, though, can't carry Bradshaw since nobody can. Bradshaw has never had a good match in singles. Heck, I can't even remember a good tag match with him. He's a lot like Billy Gunn, I think, in that he can be entertaining with a good tag team gimmick, but pushing him in any way as a singles wrestler is a disaster. He gets gassed early in matches, uses a lot of restholds, and is generally not very creative with his moveset (his finisher is a freaking clothesline (a good one, but a clothesline nonetheless, so the rest of his moves have to be weaker than that). He's never been good at ring psychology or anything of the sort, either.

 

In general, this is a trainwreck and a shame that Eddie will get blamed for the buyrate. I don't think anyone will blame him for the match quality, though. That's all Bradshaw.

 

Every single report from house shows with this match includes Bradshaw working the chinlock, too, so I am not optimistic. **1/4 tops.

 

Jason

You're also overlooking the fact that Sting and Vader had tremendous chemistry that allowed the best of their encounters to be more than the sum of their parts.