TNA Talent Pulled From ROH Shows

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

He makes more per appearance at RoH.

 

But he makes more appearances for TNA...and therefore more money.

 

Plus...there are other indys that run on the days RoH runs...so that money can be recouped alot easier than money made on a Wednesday night.

[BoboBrazil 0]

How much does ROH pay him? I think he makes like 1,000 or 1,500 per week for TNA.

[Michrome 0]

No, he makes 800 a week for TNA. He makes over 1000 for ROH. Raven makes 1,500 for TNA, and is the highest paid worker outside of Jarrett.

[bob_barron 0]

Arguing with RoH fanboys is like arguing with Randy Orton-lovers. It's a waste of time.

 

And no, my first glimpses of Styles & Daniels were in TNA putting on great matches. Not anywhere else. (I don't remember seeing Styles in WCW thank God)

Man...

 

Do you ever have anything to add to the topic other then just mindless bashing of ROH fans when you have no idea what you're talking about?

 

That document sounds like a load of shit (I agree with everything Mike Johnson said) and I hope AJ can soon go back to a company that doesn't treat him like a joke.

[BoboBrazil 0]

I must say 3,200 a month isn't bad plus he can still work all other indys except ROH. Plus the wrestlers recently got around a 1,000 bonus for doing the trading card set. As I said before I don't see why any wrestler would choose ROH over TNA except if they are someone like a bit player like CM Punk. TNA is about to have the chance to explode nationally and have the chance to make so much money. No way would I leave now to go work for ROH. The only problem with this whole TNA/ROH deal is when ROH discovers someone else and TNA wants to use them, what will happen? I guess with the TNA wrestling school opening this week they will just get all their guys from there in the future. They can't bring in someone for a tryout match if they are working for ROH under these new rules I guess.

[tpww7 0]

Do you honestly see TNA making it far on FSN?

 

They are gonna get below ECW ratings.

[BoboBrazil 0]

It all depends on how well TNA sells the advertising time for their shows on FSN. Ratings don't mean much. I'd expect FSN would be pretty much happy with a .5 I don't think anything on there goes above that, but that is just a guess. With TNA the future just looks brighter. ROH are happy making all their money off of tape sales and don't care to expand. TNA is making deals happen like the trading cards, videogame deal which will probably be announced at e3, and more. As long as they can keep the tv deal and make about get about 15,000-20,000 buys for their monthly ppv TNA should be able to succeed in the long haul. They just need to keep from making stupid decisions, which TNA have had their fair share of, although they seem to be getting smarter lately.

[tpww7 0]

I guess a national DVD distribution deal means nothing. And ROH running now in PA, MA, NJ, CT, OH, NY, MD, IL and MN after starting in just PA while TNA runs the same place every week..which they have to comp 75 %. ROH does want to expand, but just not too fast for its own good.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

"I guess a national DVD distribution deal means nothing."

 

It really kind of doesn't.

 

I can find more XPW DVDs than WWE DVDs...that doesn't mean anything.

[BoboBrazil 0]

Yeah TNA needs DVD distribution and ROH has better merchandise. Those two things are true. Nashville is just a shit town for wrestling though so I don't blame attendance on TNA. Things should improve once they start having their ppvs in different cities every month. I don't know if Universal Studios will be an improvement over Nashville or not for their weekly show though, although they should be getting fresh people in to their shows every week thanks to tourism.

[Michrome 0]

You're in dreamland.

 

They have lost about 25% of their buys in the last 6 months. What makes you think that the show is all of a sudden going to stop being a piece of shit when it becomes a 1 hour show on FSN on Sundays? They're going to explode nationally? Are you kidding? When the trial is over, and TNA is kicked off of Fox, all that will have been accomplished is a further blow against a chance for a legit number 2.

 

TNA needs AJ Styles more than AJ Styles needs TNA. When his deal is restructured, he has more than enough power to demand the ability to work Ring Of Honor.

 

The bottom line is that TNA has breached its workers trust. They were told they would be completely free agents on the weekends, but now they're being told where they can't work. Even Bob Fucking Barnett has a column up saying TNA is in the wrong, mocking that joke of a contract.

[BoboBrazil 0]

The shows have been on an upward swing since Russo came back. Many of these shows that aren't worth $10 would be considered great on free tv in building to a ppv. The cable companies and TNA itself will be able to focus its energies on one big ppv a month and advertise it. Oh and TNA has the rights to AJ until August 2005 or somewhere around there. He signed a 1 year deal with an option for a 2nd if TNA chooses to keep him. There is nothing to renegotiate. TNA has him if they want him for the same deal as he currently has.

[Michrome 0]

You realize that the new show will only be 1 hour with commercials, so all the 10 minute decent matches are going to become 5 minute sprints unless Jarrett is willing to give up TV time (ha!).

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Arguing with RoH fanboys is like arguing with Randy Orton-lovers. It's a waste of time.

 

And no, my first glimpses of Styles & Daniels were in TNA putting on great matches. Not anywhere else. (I don't remember seeing Styles in WCW thank God)

Man...

 

Do you ever have anything to add to the topic other then just mindless bashing of ROH fans when you have no idea what you're talking about?

 

That document sounds like a load of shit (I agree with everything Mike Johnson said) and I hope AJ can soon go back to a company that doesn't treat him like a joke.

The only attempted bashing is the complete "no-sell" of all facts and pretending nothing is wrong with RoH.

 

Otherwise, I didn't bash anything. IMO, they seem to have a great roster with plenty of good-excellent workers, and the only problem I'd have with them is if he-who-shall-not-be-named is still in power. Thats my only problem with this situation.

[Guest MikeSC]

It all depends on how well TNA sells the advertising time for their shows on FSN. Ratings don't mean much. I'd expect FSN would be pretty much happy with a .5 I don't think anything on there goes above that, but that is just a guess. With TNA the future just looks brighter. ROH are happy making all their money off of tape sales and don't care to expand. TNA is making deals happen like the trading cards, videogame deal which will probably be announced at e3, and more. As long as they can keep the tv deal and make about get about 15,000-20,000 buys for their monthly ppv TNA should be able to succeed in the long haul. They just need to keep from making stupid decisions, which TNA have had their fair share of, although they seem to be getting smarter lately.

There will be no game deal. There is way too little interest for any serious company to consider it.

-=Mike

[Guest OSIcon]

That Michael Johnson article made some really good points.

 

There isn't any problem at all with TNA wanting assurance that Feinstein is gone because it is hurting/could hurt negotiations for a TV deal. No problem there.

 

The way they have gone about it as been piss poor though. When ROH handled things poorly like this, they were called on it (and deserved to be). I am glad *someone* is at least seeing how odd and poorly TNA has handled this without somehow blaming it on ROH.

 

The whole way it was handled is just very stupid. They say they need assurance from ROH that Feinstein is no longer involved with the company. They need written documentation of that so they can show TV executives who are worried about a percieved association between the two promotions. So what do they do? Why, go to the booker who is simply an employee of the company, and ask him to not only sign on behalf of the promotion, but to also make himself financially liable. Does that make any sense? If I am in a company and need assurance that a CEO from another company is gone, I don't go to their Accounting department manager in order to get that written assurance. I go to the President. TNA didn't seem to get that. On top of that, I phrase the document so that the corporation is liable, not any individual. After all, that IS why we have corporations in the first place.

 

Then they go to Doug. He SIGNS the document, despite it being vaguely written. He puts his own money on the line. TNA seemingly has what they wanted: written documentation that they can show TV executives. They can no tell Fox Sportsnet, "Their CEO put his personal finances on the line if Feinstein is still involved. That pretty much tells us that he isn't. And if on chance he is, we now have this nice compensation from his personal account." Problem solved, right? Of course not. Now all of a sudden, TNA needs another person, this time an investor in ROH, to put HIS personal wealth on the line in a signed contract. Why? First TNA was okay with having Gabe, who is just an ROH employee, sign the document. Then they were good with the CEO signing it and putting his money on the line. Now all of a sudden, they need an investor in the company to make himself liable also? For what reason? Seriously, if anyone has an answer, I would like to hear it.

 

It just doesn't make sense. I would hope TNA's legal work would be as analyzed as ROH's was.....

[Vyce 0]

Why? Leave a promotion that pays him less than ROH, breached his trust, overstepped their bounds, and is just going to get kicked off of fox in 13 weeks when their shitty program gains them no viewers? He signed the contract with a garauntee he'd be a free agent on the weekend. TNA has broken that promise.

TNA has more potential for growth than RoH does. TNA is going to be getting national exposure soon - maybe they'll disappear after 13 weeks, but it's more than RoH has now or will have in the future; the Feinstein situation has poisoned them for a good long time.

 

For all the doom and gloom about TNA, I have my own doubts that RoH will be around by the end of the year, especially if it's revealed that Feinstein's still with them.

 

Which I think he still is.

 

And it's not as if they say he can't be a free agent period - he simply can't work for one company in particular. And given the circumstances around their reason for that decision (not wanting to be associated with the company who's revenues line the pockets of a pedophile), I don't think it's a foolish demand.

[Michrome 0]

Restricting the right to market one's trade is restricting free agency, whether it's one or 10. They were told they would be free to work anywhere on the weekends. Now they are being told they can't.

[The Ghost of bps21 0]

Restricting the right to market one's trade is restricting free agency, whether it's one or 10. They were told they would be free to work anywhere on the weekends. Now they are being told they can't.

Whatever they signed must have had in it the ability to restrict those dates...or they wouldn't be able to.

[BoboBrazil 0]

It all depends on how well TNA sells the advertising time for their shows on FSN. Ratings don't mean much. I'd expect FSN would be pretty much happy with a .5 I don't think anything on there goes above that, but that is just a guess. With TNA the future just looks brighter. ROH are happy making all their money off of tape sales and don't care to expand. TNA is making deals happen like the trading cards, videogame deal which will probably be announced at e3, and more. As long as they can keep the tv deal and make about get about 15,000-20,000 buys for their monthly ppv TNA should be able to succeed in the long haul. They just need to keep from making stupid decisions, which TNA have had their fair share of, although they seem to be getting smarter lately.

There will be no game deal. There is way too little interest for any serious company to consider it.

-=Mike

Uhh the video game company was just backstage again a few weeks ago. They obviously have some interest or they wouldn't keep coming to the tapings.

[Vyce 0]

Restricting the right to market one's trade is restricting free agency, whether it's one or 10. They were told they would be free to work anywhere on the weekends. Now they are being told they can't.

They have extenuating circumstances: we don't want you to work for the company that still hasn't severed ties to the pedophile.

 

It's very simple, really. I can't fathom why some people here can't grasp the fact that they don't have a problem with him working for, say, IWA: Mid-South, but do have a problem with him working for the pedophile's company.

 

But I guess TNA is just CRAZY for setting that standard.

 

They must be - because after all, at least two people in this thread have already stated that they don't give a shit that Feinstein tries to hook up with 14 yr old boys, because HEY, that there ROH wrestling is sure good!

[Guest OSIcon]

They have extenuating circumstances: we don't want you to work for the company that still hasn't severed ties to the pedophile.

 

It's very simple, really. I can't fathom why some people here can't grasp the fact that they don't have a problem with him working for, say, IWA: Mid-South, but do have a problem with him working for the pedophile's company.

 

But I guess TNA is just CRAZY for setting that standard.

 

They must be - because after all, at least two people in this thread have already stated that they don't give a shit that Feinstein tries to hook up with 14 yr old boys, because HEY, that there ROH wrestling is sure good!

 

That's all well and good. As I've said before, I can understand TNA wanting documentation stating Feinstein is gone.

 

The problem is with the completel joke of a way they handled it. Even despite the ultra-poor handling on TNA's part they still got the signiture of the CEO of the ROH stating that Feinstein is not involved and taking legal liability upon himself if "TNA is hurt through an association of ROH." What more can ROH do? Doug signed a statement that was vaquely worded that could potentially leave him open to being taken advantage of financially. Should he sign his life over to TNA if Feinstein is found to still be working for ROH? Would that be enough?

 

TNA got what they wanted. Originally, they just wanted the booker's signiture. Now they have the signiture of the CEO and they want an investor's signiture on top of that? Why? What more does that proof?

 

So let's get the argument straight here. For most people, it isn't an issue of TNA wanting assurance that Feinstein is gone. It is an issue of TNA handling it in a piss poor fashion and STILL not being pleased after they got signed documentation (on a document most lawyers would call unreasonable) from the CEO.

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I have a few things to add:

 

1. Michrome's numbers are right. AJ only makes 800 a week for TNA. And to Bobo who said that's $3,200 a month. No it's not. It's only $2,400 a month because they only run 3 shows.

 

2. If the TNA guys wanted to fight this, they would CERTAINLY win this in a court of law. Their contract only barred them from WWE. The problem is in wrestling, they have you by the balls, so them going after this legally kind of insures them that TNA would never book them again. Plus, like they have the money to hire a lawyer.

 

3. I think this has totally morphed into 2 separate issues. One is that I think it's becoming semi-apparent to people that RF might not be gone. However, I feel like TNA has now gone beyond where they should be going in pulling into the equation Silken's personal assets. Most people probably would be on their side in this if they hadn't crafted this document so ridiculously and as always, Bob Ryder comes off not too favorably (as always). As someone said on the pwi elite message board, TNA has somehow made themselves into the "heel" against a promotion that has had and is still trying to cover for a pedophile.

 

4. If TNA could pay these guys to NOT work ROH, no one could say anything.

 

5. They are doomed to fail on FSN with the set up that is being proposed. There is no way in Hell that they will be able to sell a ppv with 40 minutes of TV every week to have matches and get angles over with. Think about it. They have right now 2 hours, which is the equivalent of 2 hours 40 minutes of TV b/c there are no commercials. it just won't work. If they are going to ditch the weekly ppv, and can't get 2 hours of TV a week (and xplosion doesn't count), then they shouldn't even bother.

 

6. On another note, I didn't think Gabe came off too well last night on the radio. If that caller hadn't called him "bookerman," then I think he would have come off really poorly as the caller made basic, simple, substantial points. I understand they've done everything that is legally necessary of them, but I think there are few who totally believe that. ROH/RF's refusal to change RF Video's name is enough to raise serious doubts within the wrestling "press." The thing is, TNA's handling of all this has masked these new doubts and totally made them the bad guy. Every place you read an editorial on this (Mike Johnson, Dave Scherer, etc.) people blast TNA a new one and then they have a paragraph at the end about how ROH is raising some serious doubts on all this. That is overlooked though because TNA is acting rather foolish.

[Guest MikeSC]

3.  I think this has totally morphed into 2 separate issues.  One is that I think it's becoming semi-apparent to people that RF might not be gone.  However, I feel like TNA has now gone beyond where they should be going in pulling into the equation Silken's personal assets.  Most people probably would be on their side in this if they hadn't crafted this document so ridiculously and as always, Bob Ryder comes off not too favorably (as always).  As someone said on the pwi elite message board, TNA has somehow made themselves into the "heel" against a promotion that has had and is still trying to cover for a pedophile.

Thing is, Doug Gentry DID sign it --- which is ALL TNA said they wanted. They wanted the CEO --- but when the CEO signed it, they said we want an investor to sign it, TOO. The odds of two people signing so vague a document is nigh impossible and I have little reason to assume that TNA would have been satisfied with the investor's signature, either.

 

This just, to me, reeks of TNA wishing to eliminate ROH without looking like the "bad guy" and using this as their "reason".

4.  If TNA could pay these guys to NOT work ROH, no one could say anything.

Heck, if they could, most would not have been working ROH regardless.

5.  They are doomed to fail on FSN with the set up that is being proposed.  There is no way in Hell that they will be able to sell a ppv with 40 minutes of TV every week to have matches and get angles over with.  Think about it.  They have right now 2 hours, which is the equivalent  of 2 hours 40 minutes of TV b/c there are no commercials.  it just won't work.  If they are going to ditch the weekly ppv, and can't get 2 hours of TV a week (and xplosion doesn't count), then they shouldn't even bother.

And this ties into the investor's decision to not sign.

 

Look at it this way: Could you NOT argue that the "negative connotation" of some of their workers "working for pedophile" hurt their viewership? It's so vague an argument (and all you'd need is some TNA fans claiming that they won't watch a show where they have a "pedophiles' wrestlers" working to "prove" it) and they'd be in court forever fighting. And ROH can't afford to spend the money to spend the money to defend itself.

 

Remember, as a rule, the defense tends to cost markedly more than the plaintiff's side in these situations.

-=Mike

[Guest OSIcon]

I fail to see how this issue makes it more "apparent" that RF is still with ROH. If anything, it confirms even more for me that he is completely gone.

 

I doubt I would sign a document like that even if I knew Feinstein was completely gone. The wording is simply no where near as tight as it should be when you asking someone to put an unspecified amount of their personal wealth on the line. There are still ways Feinstein could be gone but TNA could still go after Doug (if they were so inclined), given the wording in the document. There would be no way in hell I would sign the document if I knew Feinstein was there. The fact that Doug signed it makes me think even more that Feinstein is gone because signing that document is no small deal.

 

TDinDC - I don't get how you can say that the document was poorly written and vague, yet then say that the investor not signing has made it more apparent that RF is still around. Doug signed it despite it being poorly written and vaque. Why would you expect the investostor to sign a document that you yourself said was "ridiculously crafted"?

[Guest TDinDC1112]

Right. I think TNA has taken what is a legitimate issue and turned it into something so much more that now they have people debating everything but the issue. Even if RF is totally 100% gone from ROH/RF (and I don't think he is, but frankly, this has turned into something so different that it doesn't even matter anymore) that document is so poorly written and the people involved on TNA's side have such a history of being bitter and vindictive that they still could make claims that RF is costing them. If someone in 6 months pops in an old ROH tape and RF is on it, I think the contract would allow TNA to go after them. That sucks.

 

This has all masked the most important thing - that RF royally screwed ROH

[Guest TDinDC1112]

I fail to see how this issue makes it more "apparent" that RF is still with ROH. If anything, it confirms even more for me that he is completely gone.

 

I doubt I would sign a document like that even if I knew Feinstein was completely gone. The wording is simply no where near as tight as it should be when you asking someone to put an unspecified amount of their personal wealth on the line. There are still ways Feinstein could be gone but TNA could still go after Doug (if they were so inclined), given the wording in the document. There would be no way in hell I would sign the document if I knew Feinstein was there. The fact that Doug signed it makes me think even more that Feinstein is gone because signing that document is no small deal.

 

TDinDC - I don't get how you can say that the document was poorly written and vague, yet then say that the investor not signing has made it more apparent that RF is still around. Doug signed it despite it being poorly written and vaque. Why would you expect the investostor to sign a document that you yourself said was "ridiculously crafted"?

I didn't mean the document itself has made it more apparent. I meant that this document being created has started this whole issue up again, and between statements made on websites by ROH, by TNA, by journalists covering it, by Gabe on the radio, etc., I feel that something shady is going on.

 

You know, if the document didn't exist, none of this would have happened again kind of thing.

[JoeDirt 0]

Joey Styles just posted this column on 1w:

 

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Let me start out by disclosing that I own 50% of 1wrestling.com with Bob Ryder. I have no vested interest in the success or failure of TNA or Ring of Honor.

 

1wrestling.com has never been my full time career and has always been a fun business investment to me. Therefore, with nothing substantial to lose I am going to present my honest observations about the TNA/Ring of Honor situation as well as the 1wrestling.com/pwinsider.com situation. I am not looking to spin anything but am rather just looking to get some things off my conscience before fading back into obscurity and running the behind the scenes business of 1wrestling.com.

 

1.) The Rob Feinstein/Ring of Honor situation:

 

I was the one who made the decision to no longer cover or promote Ring of Honor on 1wrestling.com against the advice of Bob Ryder. Bob felt it would hurt 1wrestling.com on the Internet and would prompt an angry reaction from smart wrestling fans like you. I agreed with his assessment but decided that the truth was much more important than our stature in the online wrestling news community. I did the right thing and accepted the consequences.

 

I made the decision not to cover or promote Ring of Honor on 1wrestling.com because I am the father of a seven-month-old boy who already loves to stare at my PC monitor and bang on the keyboard. He is sitting with me right now as I write this column. The thought of pedophiles lurking out there in cyberspace waiting for him terrifies and enrages me.

 

I hope TNA gets national TV and sells millions of pay-per-views, I hope a Feinstein-free ROH sells out Madison Square Garden and millions of DVDs. I hope pro wrestlers have several options for solid employment and wrestling fans have several options for their time and money. I will not personally benefit from any of these things but hope for them to happen because many other people will benefit.

 

What I know is that I do not care for Rob Feinstein and from what I remember from what I read online after NBC10 exposed Rob Feinstein as an alleged Internet pedophile, neither do the Ring of Honor wrestlers or fans.

 

What happened after the story broke amazed me. Ring of Honor publicly assured their outraged wrestlers and outraged fans that Rob Feinstein would not profit in any way from the wrestlers' hard work and the fans' support of that hard work. To substantiate that claim, they provided paperwork explaining that Rob Feinstein had signed over 100% of the shares in both Ring of Honor and RF Video to his long time friend and employee Doug Gentry.

 

The paperwork sent to 1wrestling.com and other wrestling media was basic corporate paperwork that made no reference to any specifics of how the signing over took place or of any money that changed hands between Feinstein and Gentry. Who signs over ownership of a profitable company for no up front or deferred payment?

 

The paperwork was not filed with the appropriate authorities in Pennsylvania and was not even notarized. While it is true that Pennsylvania's Corporations Bureau does not require for profit corporations to file change

of ownership with them, the Pennsylvania Department of Revenue does and there is no record with that department of the change of ownership. In the case of the filing with the Corporations Bureau, while it's not required it would have only taken a few minutes to prepare the change, and it would have been in their best interest to do so in light of the horrible publicity Feinstein forced upon them. Why wouldn't Ring of Honor rush to cleanse themselves of Feinstein in any and every way possible?

 

Ring of Honor could have easily and immediately diffused the situation by providing verifiable proof that there has been an ownership change and that Rob Feinstein no longer owns and is no longer involved in the company as Ring of Honor repeatedly and publicly promised their wrestlers and fans. The only public voice of the company, Gabe Sapolsky, is saying it is nobody's business who owns Ring of Honor because it is a private company.

 

It is the business of those wrestlers and fans that continue to support Ring of Honor only because they believe Rob Feinstein is no longer profiting from the company. Those wrestlers and fans should be demanding the truth.

 

The fact is there is no credible and verifiable evidence that there has been any change in ownership of Ring of Honor.

 

To make matters worse, after claiming Doug Gentry owns 100% of the company despite no evidence of any financial transaction having taken place, now there is a silent owner who does not want to have his name on any of the paperwork. What kind of business owner does not have his name of the company's charter or incorporation papers besides Tony Soprano?

 

In any case, it is none of my business where wrestlers work and where wrestling fans spend money, I am just observing the facts as I see them and if ROH can provide a legitimate and notarized proof of sale and transfer of ownership from Rob Feinstein to anyone else, I will happily promote ROH on 1wrestling.com and I will personally buy a front row ticket to an upcoming show. Until believable and verifiable proof is provided that Rob Feinstein is not profiting from Ring of Honor, I simply will not promote that company on 1wrestling.com, even if it means my website and myself personally are hated by thousands of internet wrestling fans. I owe that much to children and their families, including my own. I could not care less if TNA wrestlers do or do not work for Ring of Honor because it has nothing to do with the crux of the matter.

 

2.) 1wrestling.com and pwinsider.com

 

Dave Scherer made the correct decision to start his own website. He was working at making a full time living at 1wrestling.com while the owners, Bob Ryder, and myself were not. I would have done the same. Bob and I even promoted pwinsider to the detriment of 1wrestling.com in order to bury the hatchet and help Dave succeed. My column earlier this week was prompted by emails congratulating us on our redesign and for not shutting down on February 1. My column's criticisms were not an attack on pwinsider but other cut, paste and do not credit sites that I will not name because I do not want to promote them. These sites post stories from 1wrestling.com, pwinsider and other news breaking sites and that hurts our business.

 

 

Newsline stories are posted on 1wrestling.com "by 1wrestling.com" and not individual writers because I made the business decision to promote 1wrestling.com itself as opposed to individual writers so our business would be protected in case we ever had more writers leave 1wrestling.com in the future.

 

All of our writers have other full time careers to support their families besides writing for 1wrestling.com, which takes enormous pressure off Bob and myself because we would feel the pressure if any family's sole source of income was our website. However, 1wrestling.com's writers are as credible and capable as any other wrestling writers on any other wrestling news site.

 

The writers behind the "by 1wrestling.com" bylines are:

 

Georgiann Makropoulos, a long time wrestling journalist and owner of the Wrestling Chatterbox newsletter. Georgiann is a wrestling fan first and foremost and has a wonderful personal connection with the fans.

 

David Webber, who performed as Mortimer Plumtree in TNA as well as several independent wrestling organizations before TNA. David has a Rolodex full of insider contacts and uses them to break news for 1wrestling.com.

 

Brian Fritz, who hosts Between the Ropes, a pro wrestling radio show on Orlando's sports radio station and has interviewed more current WWE and TNA wrestlers than I can list here and thus has forged relationships with many current WWE wrestlers and employees.

 

Bob Ryder, who is currently an employee of TNA and a former employee of WCW where he forged relationships with many current WWE wrestlers and WWE employees.

 

Joey Styles (my professional wrestling name) who was the ECW announcer for seven years where he forged relationships with many current WWE and TNA wrestlers and employees.

 

You can be assured that anything you read on the 1wrestling.com Newsline has been accurately researched personally by one or more 1wrestling.com journalists and if we only read the news on another website and have not been able to obtain the information independently from our own sources, that site will be credited accordingly and we hope other sites will reciprocate.

 

Thank you for your time.

 

Joey Styles

[Guest CubbyBear]

Thing is, Doug Gentry DID sign it --- which is ALL TNA said they wanted. They wanted the CEO --- but when the CEO signed it, they said we want an investor to sign it, TOO. The odds of two people signing so vague a document is nigh impossible and I have little reason to assume that TNA would have been satisfied with the investor's signature, either.

 

TNA wanted the CEO to sign it UNTIL they found out that there was a silent investor (who conveniently didn't want his name anywhere) owned substantial stock in the company. After they found that out they wanted his signature.

 

It's not like they, knowing there was a silent investor, just wanted the CEO's sig and then changed their mind and wanted both. They didn't know about the investor and when they found out that's when they requested the signature. Nothing wrong with that.

[Guest MikeSC]

Thing is, Doug Gentry DID sign it --- which is ALL TNA said they wanted. They wanted the CEO --- but when the CEO signed it, they said we want an investor to sign it, TOO. The odds of two people signing so vague a document is nigh impossible and I have little reason to assume that TNA would have been satisfied with the investor's signature, either.

 

TNA wanted the CEO to sign it UNTIL they found out that there was a silent investor (who conveniently didn't want his name anywhere) owned substantial stock in the company. After they found that out they wanted his signature.

 

It's not like they, knowing there was a silent investor, just wanted the CEO's sig and then changed their mind and wanted both. They didn't know about the investor and when they found out that's when they requested the signature. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes, there is. The investor has no power in ROH. He doesn't know ANYTHING that really goes on there. Why should HE sign ANYTHING for something he doesn't ACTIVELY control.

 

They wanted the CEO to sign it. He did. That should have been the end of it right there.

-=Mike