Bradshaw vs. Holly fighting in PPV title matches

[Guest Anglesault]

If you remember, way back in November, when it became obvious that WWE was actually going to let Bob fucking Holly fight for the title at the Royal Rumble, myself at several others immediately cried foul on not only on people paying to see a Bob Holly title match, but Holly feuding with Brock at all.

 

Of course, the WWE apologists rushed out and defended this idea, called us negative and said we were judging things too early.

 

As time showed, the apologists were completely wrong, as the feud was an overwhelming disaster that led to an awful PPV match, caused the champ to look like shit and was a driving force in causing Brock to quit.

 

Now we're back into the same situation, as Bradshaw has been named PPV title challenger in May for no real reason, in a storyline that does no one but Bradshaw any good and could really fuck up Eddie if done wrong (Can this even be done correctly?)

 

My question, which is worse for you?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

To me Bradshaw is worse. I've NEVER liked Bradshaw. I can't say that I've always HATED Holly. I might not have been huge on him or anything but when him and Crash were both around I found them somewhat amusing. Bradshaw simply just pisses me off.......that and the fact that Holly didn't actually headline the PPV didn't make me as mad. Bradshaw headlining, does.

[Creepy Crawl 0]

Watching either of these two fucks in any match is offensive to me .

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

At least Bob Holly was a decent if not above decent worker back in the mid 90s'. Now he may be just brawl-brawl-brawl, but at least he was good at one time.

 

Bradshaw has sucked for the past 8....yes, 8 years. He was crap as Justin "Hawk" Bradshaw, was crap as Blackjack Bradshaw, sucked as APA Bradshaw, and of course sucked as Austin Jr. in 2002. His new gimmick is lame, and shows there was no real motivation behind the idea. "Lets stick him in a suit and make fun of poor people".

 

The ONLY time he was tolerable was doing 1 minute squashes when he and Faarooq were first named the Acolytes. They destroyed everyone and thats it.

[JoeDirt 0]

I'm confident that Eddie can carry Bradshaw to a match that's better than Lesnar/Holly at the Rumble.

 

One thing I really hate about the Bradshaw push is that he's getting a world title shot WITHOUT WINNING ONE SINGLE MATCH! He hasn't wrestled since getting pinned by Rikishi!

[Guest creativename]

Since the Rumble was the obviously the main draw on the card, Bradshaw is worse.

 

However, since the Holly feud was presumably a huge factor in getting Brock to quit, the repurcussions for that were probably more disastrous than what the fallout from the Bradshaw feud will be.

 

The Bradshaw feud may be a major setback for Eddie's career though, because if the Judgement Day buyrate tanks (which seems almost a foregone conclusion), Eddie will get the blame as well as Bradshaw. At which point they'll do a paniced title switch, probably to Undertaker or something.

[1234-5678 0]

I'm gonna go with Holly as being more offensive. Of course, I don't even really watch Smackdown, but at least they seem to be making an effort to give Bradshaw a new character and a good heel push.

[DerangedHermit 0]

Holly's more offensive, seeing as though he is BORING (at least since about 2001). Bradshaw's actually somewhat entertaining now.

[PsychoDriver 0]

Holly,

 

At least they gave Bradshaw a new image instead of thinking people would buy a normal life long jobber as a title threat. Also it should be considered that horrible workers like Bradshaw/Holly make better heels in feuds than they do playing the face like Holly did.

 

Ok, all I'm trying to say is I hate Bob Holly and the jury is still out on the Bradshaw feud.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Holly's more offensive, seeing as though he is BORING (at least since about 2001). Bradshaw's actually somewhat entertaining now.

When did Bradshaw become entertaining? Making fun of mexicans? Been done....several times, and it's stupid. Having political videos to insult his opponent? They just did that with Orton...and Ortons were better. Give him a cowboy hat? Probably on loan from Shawn Michaels.

 

NOTHING about Bradshaw entertains me, and what was entertaining has been done before, and better.

[Guest wrestlingbs]

Bradshaw. While Holly was a joke that hardly deserved a push, at least he had the "you broke my neck" angle to at least justify the feud. Holly was treated like an afterthought, and after the RR he went straight back to dark matches where he belongs. But Bradshaw's different. While the guy is a tad more talented than Holly, Bradshaw has done very little to deserve the push he's gotten. I'm all for pushing the guy, but they should have started small, and then see where it goes. Not only has Bradshaw falled horribly in singles pushes before, but his George W., "I'm rich and you're not" gimmick has had mixed results so far. I guess my biggest problem with Bradshaw is that not only is he the focus of and main-eventing a PPV, but he's also more than likely to hang around the main event scene afterwards due to the lack of elevated talent.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Holly's more offensive, seeing as though he is BORING (at least since about 2001). Bradshaw's actually somewhat entertaining now.

When did Bradshaw become entertaining? Making fun of mexicans? Been done....several times, and it's stupid. Having political videos to insult his opponent? They just did that with Orton...and Ortons were better. Give him a cowboy hat? Probably on loan from Shawn Michaels.

 

NOTHING about Bradshaw entertains me, and what was entertaining has been done before, and better.

I would have to agree here. Hating mexicans = not entertainment........

[JoeDirt 0]

Holly's more offensive, seeing as though he is BORING (at least since about 2001). Bradshaw's actually somewhat entertaining now.

When did Bradshaw become entertaining? Making fun of mexicans? Been done....several times, and it's stupid. Having political videos to insult his opponent? They just did that with Orton...and Ortons were better. Give him a cowboy hat? Probably on loan from Shawn Michaels.

 

NOTHING about Bradshaw entertains me, and what was entertaining has been done before, and better.

I would have to agree here. Hating mexicans = not entertainment........

Clearly Vince and Stephanie don't agree with you...

[Mecha Mummy 0]

While neither should be anywhere near challenging for World titles on PPVs, at least Holly's angle was slightly interesting.

[jester 0]

This is a little like arguing whether it's better to get cancer in the left testicle or the right testicle, but....

 

....I have to go with Holly. Bradshaw at least got a character transplant. Bradshaw might threaten to sodomize people, but Holly actually BEAT SOMEONE UP just to show that rookies are so much worse than bitter old guys whose career hasn't moved. And they gave Holly the shot because of his history with Brock...mainly, Holly being a little bitch and sandbagging Brock, and then getting injured as a result. You know, many companies fire employees that deliberately sabotage other employees.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I'd say Holly, at least Bradshaw got a new gimmick.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Holly. Believe it or not, I actually do like Bradshaw's gimmick. Now, I would rather him be in a management role because he stinks in the ring, but I am far more interested in him right now than I was in Holly when he got his jot.

[Vyce 0]

Holly is much worse.

 

For the same reasons that others have already mentioned. I can at least appreciate what they're TRYING to do with Bradshaw, and he was given an interesting (not necessarily entertaining, but interesting) new character / gimmick to go along with his push. They're TRYING to make him seem like he's important.

 

I never got that from Holly. When Holly came back to feud with Brock, he was just Bob "Hardcore" Holly - maybe a little angrier than normal, but ultimately he was the same old boring Bob Holly I've grown to be completely apathetic towards.

[Guest Trivia247]

Bradshaw and Holly both fighting each other for the title...

[AndrewTS 0]

Bradshaw's worse. I feel they at least tried to make Holly look worthy and legitimate. Bradshaw got a new character and...he's kinda tall, so apparently he gets a title shot just by sucking up to the GM. Yeah, he's a heel, but not main-event-calibur heel. If he was just at midcard level now, I'd have no problem, but this is asinine.

 

Trivia247: when I first saw the thread, that's what I thought of immediately. Scary.

[Papacita 0]

Bradshaw is far worse. For every bad thing you can say about Brock/Holly, it was tolerable because the storyline going into the match was an easy one to tell, and aside from Brock running from a man half his size, it really wasn't all that hard for fans to understand. Add the fact that Hardcore's character was already established, and the fact that it took place at the Royal Rumble (the Rumble itself was the show's real drawing point, not Holly/Brock) and it's very understandable why they'd sign that match.

 

The Bradshaw situation is worse, not because of his wrestling ability (or lack thereof), but because WWE is relying on him, an unproven character, to headline the show, and it really doesn't make sense. Bradshaw has had no beef with Eddie in the past, he hasn't won a match that's meant anything since maybe 99, and those are reasons enough not to toss him in the match. Add to that the fact that the JBL character itself is less than a month old, so over the next few weeks, not only do they have to try and sell him as a ME quality wrestler, but they actually have to build the character itself and try and get it over to the fans, which is just plain stupid. Going about it this way puts a lot of unnecessary work on the writers, plus it's brought down the Smackdown product as a whole, because they've had to devote a lot of airtime to the development of the JBL character over the last few weeks.

[Downhome 0]

I didn't read the entire thread, but here is my thoughts.

 

Holly is worse. He wrestled the world champion at one of the most important PPVs of the years, Bradshaw is on a throwaway PPV. It's just someone for Eddie to destroy, like Farooq, Mable, etc...

 

I don't mind at all having Bradshaw get beat by Eddie. At least Bradshaw has something of an interesting character to work with. Bob Holly was just, well Bob Holly.

 

Holly taking on the champ at RR, now THAT'S a problem.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I didn't read the entire thread, but here is my thoughts.

 

Holly is worse. He wrestled the world champion at one of the most important PPVs of the years, Bradshaw is on a throwaway PPV. It's just someone for Eddie to destroy, like Farooq, Mable, etc...

 

I don't mind at all having Bradshaw get beat by Eddie. At least Bradshaw has something of an interesting character to work with. Bob Holly was just, well Bob Holly.

 

Holly taking on the champ at RR, now THAT'S a problem.

No one bought Rumble for Holly/Brock. They (or at least me) bought it for the Rumble Match, and HHH vs. HBK Rematch.

 

Judgment Day HAS NO gimmick match to fall back on, and no big second main event. Bradshaw is in the MAIN EVENT with an under-card that's going to be shit. In the Rumble, Holly was the under-card. He wasn't the last match of the night. Bradshaw will be.

 

At least Holly has had beef with other Main Eventers like Kurt Angle, Kane, and Big Show. The only one of note of course was Angle.

[Downhome 0]

No one bought Rumble for Holly/Brock. They (or at least me) bought it for the Rumble Match, and HHH vs. HBK Rematch.

None of that matters to ME. Holly taking on anyone, for a world title on one of the biggest shows of the year, is worse than Bradshaw wrestling the world champ on a minor PPV, only to be destroyed by the champ.

[Guest Anglesault]

Downhome thinks Bradshaw will be destroyed.

 

I'll be shocked if it doesn't take two frog splashes to pin him.

[deancoles 0]

Downhome thinks Bradshaw will be destroyed.

 

I'll be shocked if it doesn't take two frog splashes to pin him.

After he's hit him with the Belt I Guess? Eddie never wins 100% clean on ppvs.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Holly, simply because they had a better feud in Brock vs. Benoit that they just completely dropped.

 

With Bradshaw, who would Eddie face instead? The alternatives aren't much better. Rey, maybe???? That's the best I can think of, and that's a stretch and isn't nearly as good as the Brock vs. Benoit possibility.

 

The only thing Holly had going for him was motivation. It was a good premise, "Holly coming back to get revenge on Brock". But then they changed it to "Holly coming back to win the title" and lost all of its meaning.

[Downhome 0]

Downhome thinks Bradshaw will be destroyed.

 

I'll be shocked if it doesn't take two frog splashes to pin him.

I don't mean destroyed as in a squash. I just think Eddie will end up making Bradshaw look like a lowly fool. He'll out smart him, will obviously out wrestle him, and will win without actually looking like he's going to lose. Bradshaw will have the upperhand a bit, but in the end I think Eddie will look strong. It wont be 100% clean, but that isn't Eddie's gimmick, a big part of his gimmick is that he, yes, cheats. Heck, in the feud Eddie is already looking strong. He's made a fool out of Bradshaw more than once now.

 

If it's booked differently from that, then I will join in on the being pissed off.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I just realized why I'm defending Holly...because I'm stupid! But both he and Bradshaw still suck equally.

 

 

Like someone said, but in my words, this is like arguinf if you'd rather have heart disease or AIDS. Either way its lose-lose.

[Guest Anglesault]

Maybe I just don't know what making a fool of Bradshaw is gonna accomplish for Eddie.