Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Two American soldiers have deserted their fellow troops and fled to your country. The two dickholes have websites up. I'd give the links, but the two wastes of DNA don't even deserve that level of respect. Your gov't seems to be considering giving them asylum. Now, according to law, you can only deny extradition if you believe the person in question will be executed (since the war is not officially declared, it's not even a possibility) or persecuted (they will be punished, justly, for doing what they did --- it won't be extreme) by their home country. So, let's say the anti-America bent in Canada hits its apex and they are given refugee status. I want to see ANYBODY defend their actions. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I heard about this story on everybody's favorite cable news channel. Fuck 'em. And I want them to repay the college money they probably got for joining the military... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Eclipse 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I wanted to see what's on the sites. But, since you didn't post it, what is on the sites? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I wanted to see what's on the sites. But, since you didn't post it, what is on the sites? One of them is down --- the other one has a long FAQ from the genetic mistake in question, where he says he joined the military only because it seemed like a good economic decision and he decided, early on, that he would not deploy to a war zone. He also claims Iraq has not shown any aggressiveness towards another country, so the war was needless. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Perhaps there are no sites. Hmmm... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Perhaps there are no sites. Hmmm... I hope they stick both of them in the worst military prisons we got. -=Mike ...Heck, stick them in a military prison in Iraq... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkktookmybabyaway 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Or worse yet, they both have to live in Canada for the rest of their lives. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Or worse yet, they both have to live in Canada for the rest of their lives. I'm sorry, I couldn't resist... Maybe stick 'em in Montreal... -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 That's cruel & unusual punishment, Mike, and we Americans don't stand for that type of shit, not even for cowards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 OK, Canada, defend this Uhh...we have an election coming up this year and we are hoping to finally oust the Liberals? That's about the best I can do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Your Paragon of Virtue 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Two American soldiers have deserted their fellow troops and fled to your country. The two dickholes have websites up. I'd give the links, but the two wastes of DNA don't even deserve that level of respect. Your gov't seems to be considering giving them asylum. Now, according to law, you can only deny extradition if you believe the person in question will be executed (since the war is not officially declared, it's not even a possibility) or persecuted (they will be punished, justly, for doing what they did --- it won't be extreme) by their home country. So, let's say the anti-America bent in Canada hits its apex and they are given refugee status. I want to see ANYBODY defend their actions. -=Mike "Let's Say" is meaningless, when it happens, you have a point. Besides, I didn't know that the anti-American opinion of most people was reflected by the gov't as well. It should be pointed out that in Canada, everybody is either thankful we're not America or wishes we were, aka liberal or conservative. Just out of curiousity, are there any Americans that would rather live in Canada than the US? I know of very few Canadians that would live in USA, mostly due to the crime problems and such. Toronto is getting up there though, admittedly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I'm conservative and I don't want to be American. I'm just more sympathetic to them than I am towards the Europeans, and even if I wasn't it would make economic sense to be regardless. I don't think we should have gone into Iraq, but at the same time calling comparing the Americans to Nazis are just going to piss them off and hurt us. BTW, I don't actually expect the government to give them refugee status. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Sorry, Canada's cold...and overtaxed. And crime? Crime's overreported so it seems like alot, but numbers have been falling across the US for the last 5 years drastically. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Canada won't extradict anyone it suspects will be subject to the death penalty in their home country, and I highly doubt they qualify as refugees. Christ, Mike, if you're gonna bitch about us, then throw something useful at us, like the Liberal government's decision to allow the Khandir's (sp?)back into this country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest hunger4unger Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Having signed up to the Army they should of course serve anywhere they are told to go and do what is asked of them. Saying that, it's a brave stance that they have taken to speak out against the illegal invasion of Iraq. Killing innocent people isn't everyone's cup of tea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Having signed up to the Army they should of course serve anywhere they are told to go and do what is asked of them. Saying that, it's a brave stance that they have taken to speak out against the illegal invasion of Iraq. Killing innocent people isn't everyone's cup of tea. There's very little the Bush administration has done right: Taking down Saddam's regime was one of them. Now let's see if they can find that other guy--bin Laden?--before November. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Smues Report post Posted April 28, 2004 I live in the US, but close to Canada so I've been up north several times. Liked it and wouldn't mind living there, although I don't have problems being in the states either. As for these two soldiers, if they joined the military because it's what they wanted to do yadda yadda and were opposed to the war in Iraq etc. etc. they should be jailed and such, but at least I'm sympathetic. However, if they joined for the college money then fuck them put them in jail for life and let them rot. I hate when people join the military for the free ride but aren't up for the task. I'm not opposed to joining for the cash, heck they recruit heavily on the fact they pay for college, but if you do serve out your minimum required number of years (what is it? Something like 4? OH NO). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 28, 2004 Meh. They have to consider every request for Sanctuary. Judging by Mike's comments there are obviously some AMerican's who want to severly punish them so there's some proof of persucution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KingPK 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Did they desert their military posts and disobey military orders? That is a MAJOR violation of the law, if I recall, so I don't blame the US for wanting them to face the music. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Meh. They have to consider every request for Sanctuary. Judging by Mike's comments there are obviously some AMerican's who want to severly punish them so there's some proof of persucution. What they did was EXTREMELY illegal and they SHOULD be punished. These two dolts VOLUNTEERED for the military, but decided that going to war wasn't something they were interested in (one did request conscientious objector status, but he failed the test to get it (namely, he answered the question "If somebody fired at you, would you fire back?" the "wrong" way to be a C.O) I want people who commit crimes to suffer the consequences. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BX 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Like Rush Limbaugh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Just out of curiousity, are there any Americans that would rather live in Canada than the US? I know of very few Canadians that would live in USA, mostly due to the crime problems and such. Toronto is getting up there though, admittedly. Sorry, Canada's cold...and overtaxed. I agree with this, but I don't think I would mind living in B.C. if given the chance. Vancouver seems like a cool town. And if they finally make up their minds about legalizing marijuana up there, I would really consider it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 Like Rush Limbaugh. If they could decide what he actually DID that was illegal... They seem to have switched the possible charges constantly. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest cobainwasmurdered Report post Posted April 29, 2004 of course they should be punished. But not creul and unusally like some are asking for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 of course they should be punished. But not creul and unusally like some are asking for. Who's asking for cruel or unusual? They should be punished by the military. Unless you consider banishment to Montreal cruel AND unusual. -=Mike ...Hmm, Constitutionally, could we choose ONE of the two? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stephen Joseph 0 Report post Posted April 29, 2004 The would be dishonorably discharged, and probably sent to prison for a time, which isn't cruel and unusual punishment. Look, one guy tried for C.O and he failed. They're soldiers...they took on the risk that there could be a war. Whatever happened to people standing up, making their case, being punished, and taking the punishment like a man. That kind of protest wins, in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted April 29, 2004 The would be dishonorably discharged, and probably sent to prison for a time, which isn't cruel and unusual punishment. Look, one guy tried for C.O and he failed. They're soldiers...they took on the risk that there could be a war. Whatever happened to people standing up, making their case, being punished, and taking the punishment like a man. That kind of protest wins, in the end. Come on, this is America. We LOVE civil disobedience --- as long as we suffer no consequences! -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kaertos 0 Report post Posted April 30, 2004 Perhaps this is the wrong thread to say this in, but I think it is pretty on topic. I am so very tired of hearing about all of the people in the American military who are going AWOL and refusing to go to war and refusing to do this and that. You signed the papers boys and girls. You made a commitment and you have to keep it, just like any other contract. The people who signed up assuming that they would never get involved in combat were being hopelessly naive. I do feel sorry for all of them deployed in foreign lands, and I do hope that as many of them as possible come home intact and soon. They have my sympathy, my admiration and my support (for what it's worth). But to complain that you never thought you would have to go to war and kill is like a computer technician complaining that he never thought he would have to use a screwdriver or install a hard drive. It's part of the job description. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted May 1, 2004 But to complain that you never thought you would have to go to war and kill is like a computer technician complaining that he never thought he would have to use a screwdriver or install a hard drive. It's part of the job description. Neither was the part where it encouraged stripping POW's , forcing them to engage in simulated sex acts and beating the shit out of them. I wouldn't be surprised to see more soldiers go AWOL after such embarrasing atrocities. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
