Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Your psyche is an ugly tie. I don't like ties or moldy food. I don't even wear ties. And obscure yet bad analogies don't work here. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Any predictions for what things will be like in Iraq in five years? -I don't think Iraq will ever be as America enviosned when they started the war, and I think America becomes a dangerous place to live. - I *hope* the shift of America's conscience goes from invading countries to saving the planet More specifically, I hope no-one affected by the war dictated by few loses loved ones - it has to be hard to have a son or daughter heading to the middle east to fight for something they do not believe in and then learn they died. Horrible. There are two scenarios that could be possible in 5 years time: A) Bush wins in November. Iraq has it's own puppet government, the US scales down the amount of troops in Iraq but rebellion and terrorism is rife. Half of you will be in the Army, as a draft is required in order to invade Syria and then Iran. Sharon has also killed half of palestine, using American money. B) Kerry wins in November. We are making progress in restoring peace and stability in Iraq. Power is shared by various religious leaders and although it has been hard work, Iraq is on it's way to being a democracy. Kerry cuts aid to Israel and forces Sharon to stick to a road map for peace via threat of sanctions. I want this thread to continue for several dozen more pages, with you in particular making numerous posts every day, because each and every additional contribution you make to the discussion just keeps getting more and more outrageously idiotic that I simply must study each and every one of them for its intrinsic scientific value. It'll be like Gorillas in the Midst. Only instead of me studying primates, I'll be me studying conspiracy-addled left-wing morons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whatitistoburn Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Question, because Im too lazy to read all 8 pages: Are the subhuman monkeys that keep being referenced one of the following: a) anyone with brown skin b) anyone from that region of the world c) anyone from iraq, requardless of belief d) the people in iraq defending themselves from an illegal foriegn invasion Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how racist we're being here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Question, because Im too lazy to read all 8 pages: Are the subhuman monkeys that keep being referenced one of the following: a) anyone with brown skin b) anyone from that region of the world c) anyone from iraq, requardless of belief d) the people in iraq defending themselves from an illegal foriegn invasion Sorry, I'm just trying to figure out how racist we're being here. Any terrorist is a sub-human monkey. Your attempts to be condescending when you don't know what you're talking about are laughable. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whatitistoburn Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot racism was cool. My apologies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot racism was cool. Did you notice that Mike said terrorists are "subhuman monkeys" without any reference, any at all, to race? I love the way the LEFT equates terrorism and race, and then calls the RIGHT "racist." It's almost translogical rather than just insanely stupid. Almost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Any predictions for what things will be like in Iraq in five years? -I don't think Iraq will ever be as America enviosned when they started the war, and I think America becomes a dangerous place to live. - I *hope* the shift of America's conscience goes from invading countries to saving the planet More specifically, I hope no-one affected by the war dictated by few loses loved ones - it has to be hard to have a son or daughter heading to the middle east to fight for something they do not believe in and then learn they died. Horrible. There are two scenarios that could be possible in 5 years time: A) Bush wins in November. Iraq has it's own puppet government, the US scales down the amount of troops in Iraq but rebellion and terrorism is rife. Half of you will be in the Army, as a draft is required in order to invade Syria and then Iran. Sharon has also killed half of palestine, using American money. B) Kerry wins in November. We are making progress in restoring peace and stability in Iraq. Power is shared by various religious leaders and although it has been hard work, Iraq is on it's way to being a democracy. Kerry cuts aid to Israel and forces Sharon to stick to a road map for peace via threat of sanctions. I don't know whether you're idealistic or naive with that statement. Wait, I do. Considering all you ever do is spout the same rhetorical garbage over and over again, it's pretty clear. There is NO POSSIBLE WAY that Kerry winning is gonna make things all better. Ask Spain about that one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mik 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot racism was cool. Did you notice that Mike said terrorists are "subhuman monkeys" without any reference, any at all, to race? I love the way the LEFT equates terrorism and race, and then calls the RIGHT "racist." It's almost translogical rather than just insanely stupid. Almost. This will be my first post in this forum, but I agree with this completely. I'm just waiting for some liberal to say that as human beings they had the right to behead him. Sure, no one is going to say it because they will look stupid, but I know that some of you are thinking it in your crazy minds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot racism was cool. My apologies. Hmm, whites can't be terrorists? Go it. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann2003 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot racism was cool. My apologies. Hmm, whites can't be terrorists? Go it. -=Mike Weren't you aware that the IRA the KKK and Neo-Nazi's all originated in the Middle East? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 What the fuck is wrong with you people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 What the fuck is wrong with you people? Indeed. Who could not know that whites are capable of terrorism? Heck, Tim McVeigh isn't exactly Arabic OR Muslim. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 What gets me is that some people are trying to justify BOTH SIDES of this travesty--that is, both the beheading and the torture. Just give it a rest, for chrissakes. Not everything is about politics, and even though it may seem that way at times, pretty much nobody on this board is *actually* a racist. Even if they DO drop ill-advised slurs at times. And Mike, what the hell is up with your username? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 What gets me is that some people are trying to justify BOTH SIDES of this travesty--that is, both the beheading and the torture. Just give it a rest, for chrissakes. Not everything is about politics, and even though it may seem that way at times, pretty much nobody on this board is *actually* a racist. Even if they DO drop ill-advised slurs at times. And Mike, what the hell is up with your username? The name is Agent's idea. I had NO control over that. Tyler, the beheading is the modus operandi for Al Qaeda. This is not the first time they've done this --- and that Muslims aren't universally condemning them for yelling "Allahu Akhbar" WHILE doing it is disgraceful. We have to recognize what we're fighting here. This is NOT a nice group. It's NOT a group that cares about human life. It's NOT a group that cares about its religion. And, unlike us, the ones who did it aren't going to be PUNISHED --- they're going to be REWARDED. We need to temper the condemnation of the abuse by noticing how WE handle OUR problems and how THEY handle THEIRS. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Of course, but that still doesn't justify our offenses, either. And again, I'm not saying that the prison scandal is normal for our military; of course it's not. However, it's still awful; of course, the beheading is just as bad, if not worse. Your point about radical Islam is all too true, and it reminds me of a similar point that Richard Clarke made in his unfairly condemned book. He suggested that in order to stem the perversion of Islam and the Wahhabist philosophies, we should try to work with the leaders of countries such as Saudi Arabia--who owes us for the fact that their royal family is still even fucking alive--and its neighbors to spread more tolerant, true Islam in the schools. It wouldn't necessarily show immediate results--and this is why it isn't done--but in the long run, it would pay dividends. But the point is moot; they're still doing this. It just annoys me that you guys are trying to justify the torture by saying "Well, at least we're not killing them!" Just call a spade a spade, for the love of Marney. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted May 13, 2004 I think this quote from The Untouchables sums up how to deal with these bastards. "You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue!" Amen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 It just annoys me that you guys are trying to justify the torture by saying "Well, at least we're not killing them!" I don't think anyone's justifying it per se - people like me, Mike, and Senator Inhofe are just annoyed that the media's blowing it up into a huge fucking scandal when worse shit goes on every day. It's disproportionate, hypocritical, and obscene. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 I know you're not. It simply comes off that way in rhetoric, and that's the way the thread ends up reading when I'm trying to catch up after taking a few days off of the internet. Sifting through an 8 page thread sucks when it's like this: FUCKING MONSTERS, KILL THEM ALL. That's insensitive What about US?! WE TORTURED THEM. YOU SHOULD'VE EXPECTED THAT! HEY! WTF MATE, IT WASN'T EVEN THAT BAD! HELL, THEY DESERVE IT AFTER DOING THIS! DUDE UR RACIST THEIR NOT DOING NETHING WRONG BUT I'M NOT PRO-TERRORIST I LOVE AMERICA ::i think they believed me this time:: HUNGER YOU'RE A FUCKING MORON! I WISH WE TORTURED MORE OF THEM! RACISTS nuh uh ...is fucking annoying, especially when the topic is as grave as this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Firestarter 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Agreed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest FrigidSoul Report post Posted May 13, 2004 I think this quote from The Untouchables sums up how to deal with these bastards. "You wanna know how you do it? Here's how, they pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue!" Amen. And then the character that said that got mowed down by a tommy gun and left for dead. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Of course, but that still doesn't justify our offenses, either. And again, I'm not saying that the prison scandal is normal for our military; of course it's not. However, it's still awful; of course, the beheading is just as bad, if not worse. Your point about radical Islam is all too true, and it reminds me of a similar point that Richard Clarke made in his unfairly condemned book. He suggested that in order to stem the perversion of Islam and the Wahhabist philosophies, we should try to work with the leaders of countries such as Saudi Arabia--who owes us for the fact that their royal family is still even fucking alive--and its neighbors to spread more tolerant, true Islam in the schools. It wouldn't necessarily show immediate results--and this is why it isn't done--but in the long run, it would pay dividends. But the point is moot; they're still doing this. It just annoys me that you guys are trying to justify the torture by saying "Well, at least we're not killing them!" Just call a spade a spade, for the love of Marney. Thing is --- we can't trust the governments to do it. Go to MEMRI.org. It is truly eye-opening to see the difference between what they say in English and what is said in Arabic. Even if they SAY they'll do it --- the Saud family CAN'T. If they don't have Wahhabism as the primary religion --- they will be killed. We need to, just for once, stop always focusing on what WE did. Yes, the soldiers did wrong --- but they're ALREADY being punished. THEY were chanting "God is Great" while slashing a guy's head off and they're only going to be punished if WE get to them. Trying to equate us to Saddam's regime --- which Al Jazeera, mind you, has done on their site --- is offensive. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted May 13, 2004 I haven't been to this forum in months, nor have I read the previous 7 pages of this thread. But I KNEW for a fact that the instant I started reading this thread there would be cries from the usual suspects of Racism! Racism! Racism! I'm shocked, shocked(!) that a topic so important and so serious would degenerate into something so predictable and ignorant. If Islam doesn't kill us, cultural relatavism will surely finish the job. You've been warned Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Yeah dude, trying to be tolerant should be a fucking crime. Just ask the radical Muslims. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Go to MEMRI.org. It is truly eye-opening to see the difference between what they say in English and what is said in Arabic. Even if they SAY they'll do it --- the Saud family CAN'T. If they don't have Wahhabism as the primary religion --- they will be killed. Oh, come on. You underestimate our government's historical ability to push propoganda. If the Sauds were willing to do it--which, of course, might not be possible at this point--we'd find a way to prop them up for a while until things calmed down. Just saying that it won't work isn't a reason to not even try. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted May 13, 2004 I'll try harder to be more tolerant towards the Nazis of our time. I guess that would be the liberal thing to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 My point was that your supposed tenets--i.e., anti-cultural tolerance--is right in line with theirs. Yes, we should definitely fight intolerance with intolerance. This will, ultimately, solve everything. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0 Report post Posted May 13, 2004 And by the way, while I'm at it, I'd like to point out that you're an idiot of Hunger2Unger proportions. That is all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Olympic Slam Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Cultural Tolerance - Helping a non-English speaker at the supermarket When Cultural Tolerance becomes suicide - Thinking the Arab/Muslim nations are fully capabale of joining those of us in civilized world. We're dealing with Nazism meets religion. This beheading video (which I have seen) has given me little hope for that part of the world. I don't know what else to say, I'm at a total loss for words right now. My entire world is shattered. I never bought into the whole liberal multi-cultural view of the world, but now I'm really at a shock as to what is possible outside of the civilized world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Freaking BILL O'REILLY STYLE KUNG FU ANGRY RIGHTIES I'd actually kill to see a Bill O'Reilly kung-fu grip action figure. Might be hilarious. Keeps falling down because his head it too big. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted May 13, 2004 Go to MEMRI.org. It is truly eye-opening to see the difference between what they say in English and what is said in Arabic. Even if they SAY they'll do it --- the Saud family CAN'T. If they don't have Wahhabism as the primary religion --- they will be killed. Oh, come on. You underestimate our government's historical ability to push propoganda. If the Sauds were willing to do it--which, of course, might not be possible at this point--we'd find a way to prop them up for a while until things calmed down. Just saying that it won't work isn't a reason to not even try. Tyler, if we think Iraq is a clusterfrick --- Arabia (I won't call it Saudi Arabia because I won't give their family the satisfaction) will be INFINITELY worse. It's larger and the most militant country in the region. Thing is, the only way we could KNOW they're doing what they say is if we keep a huge presence there to make sure they do it. Maybe this IS racist --- but I don't trust the Saud family one bit. Many here don't appreciate how DEEPLY ingrained Wahhabists are in Arabia. Quite frankly, I doubt the Saud family WANTS them gone. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
