Pfc. England: "We were only following orders."

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Yeah, from what i've heard, she didn't seem to be a competant commander, which certainly didn't help the situation. I still wouldn't say she is the only reason though

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May 13, 2004 -- WASHINGTON - Shocking shots of sexcapades involving Pfc. Lynndie England were among the hundreds of X-rated photos and videos from the Abu Ghraib prison scandal shown to lawmakers in a top-secret Capitol conference room yesterday.

"She was having sex with numerous partners. It appeared to be consensual," said a lawmaker who saw the photos.

 

And, videos showed the disgraced soldier - made notorious in a photo showing her holding a leash looped around an Iraqi prisoner's neck - engaged in graphic sex acts with other soldiers in front of Iraqi prisoners, Pentagon officials told NBC Nightly News.

 

"Almost everybody was naked all the time," another lawmaker said.

 

Many members of Congress left the 45-minute viewing session early, thereby missing the porno performance by England, but there were enough other images of torture, humiliation and intimidation to sicken anyone.

 

"It was pretty disgusting, not what you'd expect from Americans," said Sen. Norm Coleman (R-Minn.). "There was lots of sexual stuff - not of the Iraqis, but of our troops."

 

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), who also characterized the photos as "disgusting," agreed, noting, "It's hard to believe that this actually is taking place in a military facility."

 

 

 

The shocking photos and videos, provided on computer disks by Pentagon officials, showed attack dogs snarling at cowering prisoners, Iraqi women forced to expose their breasts, and naked prisoners tied together on the floor, senators revealed as they emerged from the heavily guarded conference room.

 

"It was significantly worse than I had anticipated," said Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore). "Take the worst case and multiply it over several times."

 

"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) described the images as "more detailed and more graphic than the pictures that have been released publicly," referring to the disturbing photos of Iraqis being abused at Abu Ghraib prison that surfaced two weeks ago, and which Islamic terrorists claim led to this week's revenge beheading of American Nick Berg.

 

"Normally, I side with disclosure and openness, but in this case, these photos are evidence," Schumer said, indicating that he favors keeping the lid on the alarming pictures, as Vice President Dick Cheney and Sen. John Warner (R-Va.) have urged.

 

Rep. Jane Harman (Calif.), ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said she was most appalled by a video of a handcuffed prisoner beating his head against a wall in an apparent bid to knock himself unconscious to escape abuse.

 

In another video clip, she said, a group of men were shown masturbating.

 

Before the pictures of England's sex romps were shown to Congress, the 21-year-old reservist from West Virginia tried to portray herself as a reluctant participant who was just following orders.

 

"I didn't really, I mean, want to be in any pictures," England told a Denver TV station.

 

"I was instructed by persons in higher rank to 'stand there, hold this leash, look at the camera,' and they took picture for PsyOps [psychological operations]," she told KCNC-TV.

 

England acknowledged "it was kind of weird" when she was photographed smiling, with a cigarette in her mouth, as she leaned forward and pointed at the genitals of a naked, hooded Iraqi at Abu Ghraib prison.

 

England has refused to identify who gave her the orders, saying only that they came from "persons in my chain of command."

 

England faces a military court-martial that includes charges such as conspiracy to maltreat prisoners and assault consummated by battery.

 

She could face punishment ranging from a reprimand to more than 15 years in prison.

[Guest MikeSC]

Heck, listening to her lawyer on Hannity's radio show, the woman is in DEEP trouble. Hannity had to suggest that they consider filing "slander" charges should she be innocent --- her lawyer never even considered it.

 

Yeah, this is gonna be quick.

-=Mike

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"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

[Guest MikeSC]

"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

"You'll scream Allahu Akhbar to our hotties showing their goodies to Western cameras. Oooooh yeah!"

-=Mike

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"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

"You'll scream Allahu Akhbar to our hotties showing their goodies to Western cameras. Oooooh yeah!"

-=Mike

Has Snoop Dogg heard about this yet?

[Guest MikeSC]

"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

"You'll scream Allahu Akhbar to our hotties showing their goodies to Western cameras. Oooooh yeah!"

-=Mike

Has Snoop Dogg heard about this yet?

I don't know about everybody else --- but I'd be ALL UP IN DAT!

-=Mike

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After filming, of course, all of the women would be stoned to death for daring to expose their flesh to any man other than their husband.

[Guest MikeSC]

After filming, of course, all of the women would be stoned to death for daring to expose their flesh to any man other than their husband.

Wow, a whole DIFFERENT genre of porn.

-=Mike

..."GGW --- putting the "rack" back in Iraq"

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"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

Those commercials are such a tease with the graphics covering their exposed ankles and all...

[Guest MikeSC]

"I don't know how these people got into our Army," said Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell (R-Colo.), who reported seeing "several pictures of Iraqi women who were disrobed or putting their shirts up."

 

IRAQ GIRLS GONE WILD!!!

 

.....what?

 

Don't act like there's not a market for it.

Those commercials are such a tease with the graphics covering their exposed ankles and all...

"Oooh yeah, baby --- spank it to these ankles! Yeah! Oooh!"

-=Mike

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Drudge has more:

 

Pfc. Lynndie England, the Army soldier seen laughing, smoking and flashing the thumbs-up in front of naked male Iraqis in photographs, has told investigators: Guards forced detainees to crawl on their hands and knees on broken glass and forced male detainees to wear women's 'maxi pads'... Guards also applied needle and thread to prisoners after beating them.... 'Would personally stitch up detainees if the wound weren't too bad' and take pictures of the work. One particular incident, a guard ran a former Iraqi general into a wall and split his lip. The guard than stitched up his lip'

 

Okay, looking above the asinine Maxi-Pad garbage, are we beyond mere humiliation now?

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Drudge has more:

 

Pfc. Lynndie England, the Army soldier seen laughing, smoking and flashing the thumbs-up in front of naked male Iraqis in photographs, has told investigators: Guards forced detainees to crawl on their hands and knees on broken glass and forced male detainees to wear women's 'maxi pads'... Guards also applied needle and thread to prisoners after beating them.... 'Would personally stitch up detainees if the wound weren't too bad' and take pictures of the work. One particular incident, a guard ran a former Iraqi general into a wall and split his lip. The guard than stitched up his lip'

 

Okay, looking above the asinine Maxi-Pad garbage, are we beyond mere humiliation now?

the "abuse" is pretty awful, but I trust it will be handled, however the long term effects of this is what bothers me more. How much terrorist camp fodder is this going to provide *oh yeah silly me we are destroying all the terrorist camps in Iraq *

 

 

I heard on Savage today that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

[Guest Brian]

Understand it within the context of their culture. It's not a proper (or fair)punishment, but within the context of their culture, it was one of the most deplorable, insulting acts possible.

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Understand it within the context of their culture. It's not a proper (or fair)punishment, but within the context of their culture, it was one of the most deplorable, insulting acts possible.

I was hoping "their culture" included rational thinking, especially now that Saddam is gone. Damn, can we please rid the world of religion already.

[Guest Cerebus]

Understand it within the context of their culture. It's not a proper (or fair)punishment, but within the context of their culture, it was one of the most deplorable, insulting acts possible.

I was hoping "their culture" included rational thinking, especially now that Saddam is gone. Damn, can we please rid the world of religion already.

It's not necessarily religion, its CULTURE. Two related, but very different things.

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They execute for everything there, man.

 

Its like Texas.

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I heard on Savage today that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

Why should this surprise you?

 

Or ANYONE?

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I heard on Savage today that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

Why should this surprise you?

 

Or ANYONE?

Honestly though, if a guy broke into someone house here, put a gun to them, made them crawl through glass, sewed them up with a needle and thread, sexually humiliated them for hours and such, the punishment would be more than a year. Not death but a shit load of years.

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I heard on Savage today that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

Why should this surprise you?

 

Or ANYONE?

Honestly though, if a guy broke into someone house here, put a gun to them, made them crawl through glass, sewed them up with a needle and thread, sexually humiliated them for hours and such, the punishment would be more than a year. Not death but a shit load of years.

Well, those victims aren't also being accused of plotting or taking part in terrible terrorist crimes.

 

Sorry, but I can't feel sympathetic. The embarrassment that the soldiers put these prisoners through absolutely PALES in comparison to the undoubtedly horrific attacks some of these terrorists were planning.

 

However, this still doesn't change the fact that Lynndie England is a skank.

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I heard on Savage today that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

Why should this surprise you?

 

Or ANYONE?

Honestly though, if a guy broke into someone house here, put a gun to them, made them crawl through glass, sewed them up with a needle and thread, sexually humiliated them for hours and such, the punishment would be more than a year. Not death but a shit load of years.

Well, those victims aren't also being accused of plotting or taking part in terrible terrorist crimes.

 

Sorry, but I can't feel sympathetic. The embarrassment that the soldiers put these prisoners through absolutely PALES in comparison to the undoubtedly horrific attacks some of these terrorists were planning.

Being suspected of something and being guilty is two different things. You catch aguy with a bomb, do what you want to him. He planned on dieing for his cause anyway, they just make it slower. But when you aren't sure if these people are guilty or not, that is a whole other case.

[Guest thebigjig]

In the war on terror, there is no such thing as a "suspect"

 

all of 'em are EVILDOERS

 

Why are you sympathising with the EVILDOERS ripper?? You're one of them arent you?!

 

and yes, I agree... England is a skank... a really really really ugly skank as well

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I heard on Savage today

Where is the real NoCalMike and what have you done to him?

 

that the Iraqi insurgents or whatever the hell they are being called now, were asked what would be reasonable punishment, and they said nothing less then executing the guilty soliders.......Wow. Just. Wow.

 

I thought I read a story like this, and it was those peoples' families. Maybe I read it wrong.

 

Point is though, if it was Iraqi guards doing this to American captees, what punishment would you believe the US would give those guards once they eventually take over?