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[Guest MikeSC]

NEW YORK Those convinced that liberals make up a disproportionate share of newsroom workers have long relied on Pew Research Center surveys to confirm this view, and they will not be disappointed by the results of Pew's latest study released today.

 

While most of the journalists, like many Americans, describe themselves as "moderate," a far higher number are "liberal" than in the general population.

 

At national organizations (which includes print, TV and radio), the numbers break down like this: 34% liberal, 7% conservative. At local outlets: 23% liberal, 12% conservative. At Web sites: 27% call themselves liberals, 13% conservatives.

 

This contrasts with the self-assessment of the general public: 20% liberal, 33% conservative.

 

The survey of 547 media professionals, completed this spring, is part of an important study released today by The Project for Excellence in Journalism and The Committee of Concerned Journalists, which mainly concerns more general issues related to newsrooms (an E & P summary will appear Monday).

 

While it's important to remember that most journalists in this survey continue to call themselves moderate, the ranks of self-described liberals have grown in recent years, according to Pew. For example, since 1995, Pew found at national outlets that the liberal segment has climbed from 22% to 34% while conservatives have only inched up from 5% to 7%.

 

The survey also revealed what some are sure to label a "values" gap. According to Pew, about 60% of the general public believes it is necessary to believe in God to be a truly moral person. The new survey finds that less than 15% of those who work at news outlets believe that. About half the general public believes homosexuality should be accepted by society -- but about 80% of journalists feel that way.

 

When the question of which news organizations actually tilted left or right, there was one clear candidate: Fox News. Fully 69% of national journalists, and 42% of those at the local level, called Fox News "especially conservative." Next up was The New York Times, which about one in five labeled "especially liberal."

 

Not surprisingly, views of how the press has treated President Bush break down along partisan lines. More than two out of three liberals feel the press has not been tough enough on Bush, while half the conservatives feel the media has been too tough.

 

Still, a little over half of national journalists (53%) give national media coverage of the administration an A or B rating.

 

While the sample of 547 interviewees is not large, Pew says that this selection represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." Newspapers were identified and circulation ranked using the 2003 Editor & Publisher International Year Book.

 

In an essay accompanying the survey, the directors of the sponsoring groups -- Bill Kovach, Tom Rosenstiel and Amy Mitchell --declare that broad conclusions about the political findings should be tempered by analyzing some of the details in the findings. For example, they identify strong "libertarian" leanings among jouurnalists, including doubts about the role of "big government."

http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/ne...t_id=1000517184

 

But, hey, Editor & Publisher is probably another right-wing rag, right?

-=Mike

[Mole 0]

Do you ever get tired of posting your liberal hate?

 

I think everyone knows your point after the 500th post about your Elephant love.

[Guest SP-1]

Do you ever get tired of posting your liberal hate?

 

I think everyone knows your point after the 500th post about your Elephant love.

Wonderful input there. Regardless of how I feel on the subject, Mike's merely putting figures there to help back up his stance. Which, in this folder, is what is called for pretty regularly.

[MrRant 0]

Do you ever get tired of posting your liberal hate?

 

I think everyone knows your point after the 500th post about your Elephant love.

Do you ever get tired of breathing?

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Perhaps Mike should pay attention to the fact that this poll only pays attention to journalists that aren't afraid to call themselves anything other than moderates.

 

Among all Americans, more define themselves as conservatives than liberals. Perhaps then, we can assume that indeed, conservatives ARE getting into the media, if they have such a majority?

[tommytomlin 0]

If the liberal media was so evil and liberal and Bush-hating, you'd think after 30 or so years, they would have made more Americans liberal then conservative.

 

Or maybe, just maybe, audiences aren't passive schmucks who get brainwashed by the media they watch and read, and instead are active audiences who can make up their own minds about issues. In which case, it doesn't matter if the media is conservative or liberal.

[NoCalMike 0]

well you also have to look at what the media defines as what. Everyone's definition of liberal/conservative is different. Also, I consider myself a liberal and could point to just as many things that I feel aren't being covered by the media in order to fit my liberal agenda. Just like a conservative could do. The media is just a machine for the republican & democrat clubhouse. The media is corporate over any political affiliation.

[Mole 0]

Do you ever get tired of posting your liberal hate?

 

I think everyone knows your point after the 500th post about your Elephant love.

Wonderful input there. Regardless of how I feel on the subject, Mike's merely putting figures there to help back up his stance. Which, in this folder, is what is called for pretty regularly.

Good point...

 

While the sample of 547 interviewees is not large, Pew says that this selection represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." Newspapers were identified and circulation ranked using the 2003 Editor & Publisher International Year Book.

Only polled 547 people? But it represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." So it must be true.

 

However, FOX News is the most popular Cable News channel.

 

Top 5 from May 14th.

 

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1.2

CNN LARRY KING 1.1

FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 0.9

FOXNEWS GRETA 0.9

FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 0.9

 

Conservatives probably won't read liberal views, since they seem to watch conservative Cable news.

[Guest INXS]

and the point of this thread is......?

[Guest Cerebus]

well you also have to look at what the media defines as what.  Everyone's definition of liberal/conservative is different.  Also, I consider myself a liberal and could point to just as many things that I feel aren't being covered by the media in order to fit my liberal agenda.  Just like a conservative could do.  The media is just a machine for the republican & democrat clubhouse.  The media is corporate over any political affiliation.

While I don't totally agree with NoCal's "corporate" assessment (stop listening to Nader NoCal! I'm telling you, that fucker gets inside your HEAD), I understand where he's coming from. Even though I'm a conservative I never watch Fox News unless there isn't anything else to watch. I read the WSJ and NY Times editorial pages and articles, I read the New Republic just like I do the Weekly Standard and National Review (I stopped reading The Nation after 9/11 and swore never to pick up another copy). I like to get my news from across the spectrum and make my own decisions rather than get it from a few sources (and poor television ones at that).

 

Edit: You can read the entire report referenced in the article here. The report, and the rest of the polls on the Pew site, provides top notch anlysis and its all an interesting read.

[Guest MikeSC]

Do you ever get tired of posting your liberal hate?

 

I think everyone knows your point after the 500th post about your Elephant love.

Nope. Thanks for playing. Nice to see you continue your streak of uselessness.

Perhaps Mike should pay attention to the fact that this poll only pays attention to journalists that aren't afraid to call themselves anything other than moderates.

Try reading the column. It directly states that a lot of journalists refer to themselves as moderates --- but that the number of those referring to themselves as liberal has been shooting up noticeably while those referring to themselves as conservatives inches up.

Only polled 547 people? But it represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." So it must be true.

Gee, how many people are polled for the polls the press LOVES to use on a regular basis?

 

About 1,000 people.

 

Let me guess --- those don't matter either, huh?

However, FOX News is the most popular Cable News channel.

 

Top 5 from May 14th.

 

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 1.2

CNN LARRY KING 1.1

FOXNEWS HANNITY/COLMES 0.9

FOXNEWS GRETA 0.9

FOXNEWS SHEP SMITH 0.9

 

Conservatives probably won't read liberal views, since they seem to watch conservative Cable news.

Conservatives have few other options.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

I'm gonna have to give the point to Mole on this one.

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm gonna have to give the point to Mole on this one.

Have fun doing so.

-=Mike

[Ripper 0]

I'm gonna have to give the point to Mole on this one.

Have fun doing so.

-=Mike

That is a challenge to do better to get the points back. If you aren't going to fight what is the point.

 

*pushes mole so that he bumps into Mike*

 

 

OOOOOHHHH...You gonna TAKE THAT!???!

[Guest MikeSC]

I'm gonna have to give the point to Mole on this one.

Have fun doing so.

-=Mike

That is a challenge to do better to get the points back. If you aren't going to fight what is the point.

 

*pushes mole so that he bumps into Mike*

 

 

OOOOOHHHH...You gonna TAKE THAT!???!

I'd fight back...if I took Mole seriously.

 

But I don't.

 

It'd be like slapping a blind kid.

-=Mike

[Guest Cerebus]

While the sample of 547 interviewees is not large, Pew says that this selection represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." Newspapers were identified and circulation ranked using the 2003 Editor & Publisher International Year Book.

Only polled 547 people? But it represents "a cross-section of news organizations and of the people working at all levels of those organizations." So it must be true.

 

The number of people polled does not equal a cross section. I could poll 1000 members of Fox News or the New York Times, but would that be a cross section? Maybe you should take a peek at the survey methodology or you could just insult Mike. Whichever is easier.

[Mole 0]

Gee, how many people are polled for the polls the press LOVES to use on a regular basis?

 

About 1,000 people.

 

Let me guess --- those don't matter either, huh?

Still 400 more people than the poll you posted, so the opinions will be wider.

 

But yes, polls are usually crap anyway.

 

Conservatives have few other options.

Then they only watch news that is biased towards them? Hmm, that is a great way to get news.

 

Let me go read my USA Today and pick up Jason Blair's new book.

[Guest MikeSC]

Gee, how many people are polled for the polls the press LOVES to use on a regular basis?

 

About 1,000 people.

 

Let me guess --- those don't matter either, huh?

Still 400 more people than the poll you posted, so the opinions will be wider.

Of course, this study was 547 people out of a couple of thousand, while opinion polls are 1,000 out of a couple hundred million.

Conservatives have few other options.

Then they only watch news that is biased towards them? Hmm, that is a great way to get news.

 

Let me go read my USA Today and pick up Jason Blair's new book.

Wow, way to put words in my post. Kudos. Bravo to you!

 

Conservatives watch a lot of liberal news outlets because they have no other options. There aren't many conservative outlets --- like it or not.

-=Mike

[Slayer 0]

This is where I would break out the fluff-o-rama pics. Come on, CE people, police your own

 

After all, is this really what passes for a "Current Event"? Or an event of any sort?

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

...but that the number of those referring to themselves as liberal has been shooting up noticeably while those referring to themselves as conservatives inches up

 

I think that's more due to how polarized the country is right now, politically speaking. Being a moderate doesn't really have much of a niche when it's all right wing/left wing with the media anymore.

[Guest MikeSC]

This is where I would break out the fluff-o-rama pics. Come on, CE people, police your own

 

After all, is this really what passes for a "Current Event"? Or an event of any sort?

Yup. Thanks for asking.

-=Mike

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

It's political discourse, that's also a feature of this folder.

 

Un-fluff.

[Guest Vitamin X]

They really should just rename this folder to "Political and World News Discussion" because if anyone dares attempt posting any other kind of news or current event it gets moved, deleted, or fluffed.

 

This won't be considered fluff since it attempts to be arguing some kind of point that noone I haven't seen disagree with....wait a minute...

[Guest MikeSC]

They really should just rename this folder to "Political and World News Discussion" because if anyone dares attempt posting any other kind of news or current event it gets moved, deleted, or fluffed.

 

This won't be considered fluff since it attempts to be arguing some kind of point that noone I haven't seen disagree with....wait a minute...

I'd actually fully support a name change.

 

However, the pieces that get moved or closed here almost universally deserve it.

-=Mike

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

I'm gonna have to give the point to Mole on this one.

Mole?

 

So "WolfRam&Mole" is still the same old "Mole" that once had John Kerry in his Avatar?

 

Damnit people, pick a name and stick with it...

[Ripper 0]

I would call this slightly fluffish. Not enough fluff to be considered definate fluffage, but there are some fluff type tendacies of it.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

It's fluff without the produce sodomy...

[Slayer 0]

Okay, maybe not "fluff"

 

How about "crap"? Can I call it "crap"?

 

"Steaming, piping-hot, fresh-from-the-rectum crap"

 

Yeah, that does work better

[Guest MikeSC]

Okay, maybe not "fluff"

 

How about "crap"? Can I call it "crap"?

 

"Steaming, piping-hot, fresh-from-the-rectum crap"

 

Yeah, that does work better

Have fun doing so.

-=Mike

...Where does that leave YOUR posts, though?

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

'Dems fighting words...