Enigma 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 I am actually curious to know if any of the WWE's Jewish employee's or workers were upswet over this? I actually kinda wish Goldberg was still around, I would have enjoyed hearing about him beating the shit out of Bradshaw. Given the fact that Jericho apparently took Goldberg to school, I'd have little confidence that Bill could beat Bradshaw's ass. Bradshaw wasn't trained by Stu Hart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted June 7, 2004 I can't judge from that picture. He looks to be in motion and could just be doing the asshole wave he does. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 An update (take it or leave it) : Despite it clearly being a wrestling angle for the sake of entertainment (and a tired one at that, everything from Seinfeld to That 70s Show has provided a spoof) Bradshaw is taking major criticism for his Nazi salute during his match in Munich over the weekend. Fans have threatened to not only report his actions to CNBC, but to contact the German authorities to encourage prosecution. In terms of the lockerroom, most were generally disgusted by his actions and it certainly appears they were not "scripted" by WWE management but rather Bradshaw taking license with his character. Of course, the lockerroom is very anti-Bradshaw right now in general, so a negative reaction had to be expected. Nevertheless, no one was proud of what he did. Cred: Lords of Pain.net Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes Report post Posted June 7, 2004 LOP? Are they a credible site cause I don't know. So now I gues it's legt. KILL THE REDNECK! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest wayzing Report post Posted June 7, 2004 About the illegal thing: Anybody read Dynamite Kid's book? He talks about beating up kids at shows in Japan in order to get thrown in Jail and get heat from the crowd. I really don't think this is much worse. I haven't read the book but that sounds f'n selfish. "Hey, little innocent man that I don't know. I'm just gonna beat you up so I can get some heat. ok?". Dynamite Kid is a legend forever but I'm not sure beating innocent kids up is the standard you want to use when deciding if you approve of something or not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 maybe his Nazi Salute was actually not Nazi in origin rather an Ancient germantic Salute of comrades..... excuses excuses eh? Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.. But Bradshaw... Ohhh That Neo Nazi Bastard lets string him up and dump him off at the DC Holocaust Museum to get some Sensitivity training... Lets have a balance peoples. What bradshaw did Just to get a rise out of german people was WAY over the line... but lets ignore and excuse away any little logo HHH could wear. dismiss anyone making any claim to the effect because of some rabid HHHate.. (And in terms of Eddy's activities his snapping PALES by comparsion to the two above since the fact all he said that Germandy sucks and made no historical referance. All he did was unprofessional and will get docked for it) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 HHH is also of French descent, so it's not a matter of his German heritage when he has the various Iron Cross-derived logos. Those are just cool looking, and oh yeah, NOT ILLEGAL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 Last time Trivia brought up the "OMG HHH IZ A KNOTZI!" argument, I tried to argue against him and nik warned me. Tread lightly, Kotz. Bradshaw is a buffoon, plain and simple. But why should they fire him? Because he pissed someone off? That's retahded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 And all Im saying is you all can't simply go on a landbase condemn one without excusing and ignoring the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 When Trips starts goose-stepping and giving the Heil Five, the "HHH is a Nazi" accusations will have some basis. I'm not saying Bradshaw is one either, he's just really stupid for doing what he did and is probably one of the people who still exist that think Germany is filled with fascists still. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 And all Im saying is you all can't simply go on a landbase condemn one without excusing and ignoring the other. The iron cross is part of my family crest. Am I a nazi now? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Markme123 0 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 maybe his Nazi Salute was actually not Nazi in origin rather an Ancient germantic Salute of comrades..... excuses excuses eh? Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.. But Bradshaw... Ohhh That Neo Nazi Bastard lets string him up and dump him off at the DC Holocaust Museum to get some Sensitivity training... Lets have a balance peoples. What bradshaw did Just to get a rise out of german people was WAY over the line... but lets ignore and excuse away any little logo HHH could wear. dismiss anyone making any claim to the effect because of some rabid HHHate.. (And in terms of Eddy's activities his snapping PALES by comparsion to the two above since the fact all he said that Germandy sucks and made no historical referance. All he did was unprofessional and will get docked for it) You've... never met the man never talked to him never heard him discuss his beliefs, but because you think one of his logos looks like the Iron Cross you are going to call him a Nazi? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 And all Im saying is you all can't simply go on a landbase condemn one without excusing and ignoring the other. The iron cross is part of my family crest. Am I a nazi now? No your not nor would I assume HHH is at all... Im not even saying he is a nazi, even though you feel the need to argue that I am because thats what you are jumping too. Everyone uses something for effect. Bradshaw isn't a nazi either. rather just a roudy conservative heh but he used the nazi salute for effect HHH is a smart man he knows where the line is. He doesn't say or do anything to proclaim anything, doesn't even take notice to it. But he leaves you the option of wondering about it. That would be the purpose of making such logos to make us talk about it such. But the thing is look at it from someone outside opinion here and not from family heritage. Unless someone has a good sense of both History past 1932 or of German Nationality what are they gonna think? Think every Tom Dick and Joe Smo knows about the Teutons or the Prussions, or Otto von Bismark, Or Fredrick the Great, etc etc etc etc, No they don't. They barely can make out WWII outside of Saving Private Ryan, Patton and other war movies. And im talking about the youngins not the people who lived through the period. When they see it they will assume. And thats the point. HHH wears them to effect from the Iron Cross which has more history before Nazism to the Laural wings which was also a ancient symbol.. Using everything But the one symbol which would be over the top. But think that HHH isn't expressing some personal Ancestral Heritage on his shirts and tights. He is using symbols for effect, not because any personal belief but to Get a Rise out of people. Its not obvious its not overt and isn't against the law in doing so. But whats the point if your gonna take it personally as you are then you won't listen anyway. So back to the Oh he is a German Basher Get the pitchforks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 7, 2004 maybe his Nazi Salute was actually not Nazi in origin rather an Ancient germantic Salute of comrades..... excuses excuses eh? Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.. But Bradshaw... Ohhh That Neo Nazi Bastard lets string him up and dump him off at the DC Holocaust Museum to get some Sensitivity training... Lets have a balance peoples. What bradshaw did Just to get a rise out of german people was WAY over the line... but lets ignore and excuse away any little logo HHH could wear. dismiss anyone making any claim to the effect because of some rabid HHHate.. (And in terms of Eddy's activities his snapping PALES by comparsion to the two above since the fact all he said that Germandy sucks and made no historical referance. All he did was unprofessional and will get docked for it) You've... never met the man never talked to him never heard him discuss his beliefs, but because you think one of his logos looks like the Iron Cross you are going to call him a Nazi? I Didn't Call him a Nazi just using symbols which could be implied even though they are Far more Ancient than what a Australian Painter thought up one day. So Please Keep jumping on bandwagons and proclaim things I didn't say..please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Art Sandusky 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 I never called you a fucking German basher, you're just an idiot, and a HUGE idiot for thinking that HHH using all those symbols with the exception of the swastika is an example of him "knowing where the line is to get a rise out of people." Jesus, just stop posting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justsoyouknow 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 The iron cross is part of my family crest. Am I a nazi now? No your not nor would I assume HHH is at all... Im not even saying he is a nazi, even though you feel the need to argue that I am because thats what you are jumping too. "Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.." Yeah, you never said that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest AndrewisyourHero Report post Posted June 8, 2004 maybe his Nazi Salute was actually not Nazi in origin rather an Ancient germantic Salute of comrades..... excuses excuses eh? Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.. But Bradshaw... Ohhh That Neo Nazi Bastard lets string him up and dump him off at the DC Holocaust Museum to get some Sensitivity training... Lets have a balance peoples. What bradshaw did Just to get a rise out of german people was WAY over the line... but lets ignore and excuse away any little logo HHH could wear. dismiss anyone making any claim to the effect because of some rabid HHHate.. (And in terms of Eddy's activities his snapping PALES by comparsion to the two above since the fact all he said that Germandy sucks and made no historical referance. All he did was unprofessional and will get docked for it) You've... never met the man never talked to him never heard him discuss his beliefs, but because you think one of his logos looks like the Iron Cross you are going to call him a Nazi? I Didn't Call him a Nazi just using symbols which could be implied even though they are Far more Ancient than what a Australian Painter thought up one day. So Please Keep jumping on bandwagons and proclaim things I didn't say..please Austrian..Australia and Austria are two very different countries, in different parts of the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Age 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 HHH is a smart man he knows where the line is. He doesn't say or do anything to proclaim anything, doesn't even take notice to it. But he leaves you the option of wondering about it. That would be the purpose of making such logos to make us talk about it such. But the thing is look at it from someone outside opinion here and not from family heritage. Unless someone has a good sense of both History past 1932 or of German Nationality what are they gonna think? Think every Tom Dick and Joe Smo knows about the Teutons or the Prussions, or Otto von Bismark, Or Fredrick the Great, etc etc etc etc, No they don't. They barely can make out WWII outside of Saving Private Ryan, Patton and other war movies. And im talking about the youngins not the people who lived through the period. When they see it they will assume. And thats the point. HHH wears them to effect from the Iron Cross which has more history before Nazism to the Laural wings which was also a ancient symbol.. Using everything But the one symbol which would be over the top. But think that HHH isn't expressing some personal Ancestral Heritage on his shirts and tights. He is using symbols for effect, not because any personal belief but to Get a Rise out of people. Its not obvious its not overt and isn't against the law in doing so. But whats the point if your gonna take it personally as you are then you won't listen anyway. So back to the Oh he is a German Basher Get the pitchforks What the hell are you talking about? 'He leaves you the option of wondering about it'. ITS A FRIGGIN' LOGO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 maybe his Nazi Salute was actually not Nazi in origin rather an Ancient germantic Salute of comrades..... excuses excuses eh? Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.. But Bradshaw... Ohhh That Neo Nazi Bastard lets string him up and dump him off at the DC Holocaust Museum to get some Sensitivity training... Lets have a balance peoples. What bradshaw did Just to get a rise out of german people was WAY over the line... but lets ignore and excuse away any little logo HHH could wear. dismiss anyone making any claim to the effect because of some rabid HHHate.. (And in terms of Eddy's activities his snapping PALES by comparsion to the two above since the fact all he said that Germandy sucks and made no historical referance. All he did was unprofessional and will get docked for it) You've... never met the man never talked to him never heard him discuss his beliefs, but because you think one of his logos looks like the Iron Cross you are going to call him a Nazi? I Didn't Call him a Nazi just using symbols which could be implied even though they are Far more Ancient than what a Australian Painter thought up one day. So Please Keep jumping on bandwagons and proclaim things I didn't say..please Austrian..Australia and Austria are two very different countries, in different parts of the world. Oh Geez a Typo LOL I knew that was off wheres a spell checker when one needs one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 The iron cross is part of my family crest. Am I a nazi now? No your not nor would I assume HHH is at all... Im not even saying he is a nazi, even though you feel the need to argue that I am because thats what you are jumping too. "Kinda like how... NOOOOooOo HHH wouldn't use the Iron Cross from anything but Germantic Pride and nothing to do with Nazism NoooOOOoooOo and the additions to the wings and laurels just an ancient Teutonic Romanic symbols to emphesis his superiority...But would have nothing to do with the 60 year old recent use of such symbols of facism and nazism...Because he wouldn't do that, and to suggest it would be sinful criminal and unamerican... Oh where is Tom Ridge when we need him.." Yeah, you never said that. Yup Never Said that he was in fact a member of the nazi party. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 HHH is a smart man he knows where the line is. He doesn't say or do anything to proclaim anything, doesn't even take notice to it. But he leaves you the option of wondering about it. That would be the purpose of making such logos to make us talk about it such. But the thing is look at it from someone outside opinion here and not from family heritage. Unless someone has a good sense of both History past 1932 or of German Nationality what are they gonna think? Think every Tom Dick and Joe Smo knows about the Teutons or the Prussions, or Otto von Bismark, Or Fredrick the Great, etc etc etc etc, No they don't. They barely can make out WWII outside of Saving Private Ryan, Patton and other war movies. And im talking about the youngins not the people who lived through the period. When they see it they will assume. And thats the point. HHH wears them to effect from the Iron Cross which has more history before Nazism to the Laural wings which was also a ancient symbol.. Using everything But the one symbol which would be over the top. But think that HHH isn't expressing some personal Ancestral Heritage on his shirts and tights. He is using symbols for effect, not because any personal belief but to Get a Rise out of people. Its not obvious its not overt and isn't against the law in doing so. But whats the point if your gonna take it personally as you are then you won't listen anyway. So back to the Oh he is a German Basher Get the pitchforks What the hell are you talking about? 'He leaves you the option of wondering about it'. ITS A FRIGGIN' LOGO. In the end your right thats all they are... Logos... nothing is said nothing implied or mentioned..... Just made to wonder. And look what wondering done made people get so bent outta shape over some fabric and tights. so thats that... Bradshaw still a Moron and would love to see him lose to Rey Rey on Smackdown as punishment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest netslob Report post Posted June 8, 2004 "Hi Mom!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Nanks Report post Posted June 8, 2004 Could've been worse. He could've used his finger to make a little Hitler moustache when he did it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted June 8, 2004 I can only imagine what will be in Bradshaw's next column: "You Germans all suck! We beat you in both World Wars...and you suck! You almost suck as much as those little homosexual internet fans!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest whitemilesdavis Report post Posted June 8, 2004 Dynamite Kid is a legend forever but I'm not sure beating innocent kids up is the standard you want to use when deciding if you approve of something or not. True. But, my point was more to say that it isn't the first time a promotion has done something illegal to garner heat. Someone was claiming that it was terrible for the company because it was illegal, while Dynamite claims that his illegal act worked to perfection and drew huge crowds that wanted to see him get beat. Yeah, though, not a cool thing to do at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted June 8, 2004 I always thought that HHH's cross emblem thingy was more to do with Motorhead who sing his theme? Regardless to that, I guess it is kinda insensitive but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. As for Bradshaw, I think the whole thing is amusing. I wouldn't find the thing amusing if I was German or Jewish though. It was a nice touch by Bradshaw to do it over the D-Day 60th anniversary weekend too. I think it boils down to ignorance on Bradshaw's part. In his online articles he's already comfirmed that he's a right wing nutter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest INXS Report post Posted June 8, 2004 An update, from PWInsider.com: WWE has just released the following statement concerning John Bradshaw Layfield's "Nazi Salute" from the 6/5 Smackdown brand show in Munich Germany. "WWE and John Layfield deeply regret Mr. Layfield's actions in the ring at our event in Munich, and apologize if it has offended or upset our fans. Mr. Layfield has been reprimanded for his actions." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
{''({o..o})''} 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 --CNBC fired John Layfield moments ago after investigating the incident in Munich. A company spokesperson said they found his behavior to be offensive, inappropriate and not befitting anyone associated with our network. (thanks to Alex Marvez) From Da Meltz Not all that surprising really. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Mandarin 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 --CNBC fired John Layfield moments ago after investigating the incident in Munich. A company spokesperson said they found his behavior to be offensive, inappropriate and not befitting anyone associated with our network. (thanks to Alex Marvez) From Da Meltz Not all that surprising really. *HAHAHAHAHAH* The internet comes back to bite him in the ass. ..Oh yeah, and Germany too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted June 8, 2004 It's good to see Bradshaw taking it in the rear for once. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
