Brock Lesnar's Regrets

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

I'll just give up now. I pointed out everything I could on my view of his leaving, and Ray so ''nicely'' shot everything down with ignorant, sarcastic remarks twisting around everything I said.

[SuperJerk 0]

 

He's only trying the NFL because of the money.  Otherwise, he'd be getting a job doing whatever-the-hell he went to college for.

Yah let's see, make over 5 mil a year as a WWE main eventer or make 250K as an NFL back up? Yah he picked the NFL for the money alright.

$250K is just the minimum. Lesnar might've thought he'd be able to get on the first string and sign some endorsement deals. That adds up to more than $250K.

 

Brock was not making 5 or even 10 million a year in the WWE like his agent is falsely reporting. His downside guarantee was just over 1 million according to Meltzer in a past WO newsletter.

If I was a WWE employee, I'd question how a guy that runs a fan newsletter seems to know what's in my contract. I can buy Meltzer knowing about upcoming storylines (since he knows workers who are told the upcoming angles), but contracts? I'm skeptical.

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Meltzer is a wizard.

[the pinjockey 0]

I guess Mick Foley is a wizard since he knew what Sting was making at one time.

 

I guess sports writers are wizards considering they get a hold of the contracts with undisclosed terms eventually.

 

Salaries typically aren't the most confidential pieces of info floating around. Hell, go to a regular work place and you find someone who knows what everyone else is making.

[Guest Ray]

Anyone with half a brain knows the incrediblly hard schedule the WWE runs, and to tell me Brock didn't know this 3-4 years ago when whoever came knocking at his door is just a bunch of lies. NO ONE can be that oblivious.

Yeah, he's not only evil, he's also stupid! Your Lesnar hate grows more pathetic.

 

I'll just give up now. I pointed out everything I could on my view of his leaving, and Ray so ''nicely'' shot everything down with ignorant, sarcastic remarks twisting around everything I said.

Well if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Your Lesnar hate is the epitome of ignorance. Now shut up and find something else to obsess over.

[The Mandarin 0]

Your Lesnar hate is the epitome of ignorance. Now shut up and find something else to obsess over.

I used to hate Orlando Jordan, but now I've moved onto heavy drinking.

 

 

[Guest Man Of 1,004 Modes]

Your Lesnar hate is the epitome of ignorance. Now shut up and find something else to obsess over.

Fine....(starts hating on Ric Flair)

 

And I don't hate Brock..I hate how he took his ball and left. Otherwise he was a good main event heel for Smackdown that had good matches.

 

 

Edit: Where the hell is Orlando Jordan? I don't think I've seen him for a while. Of course, I rarely watch Velocity (but usually read spoilers), so maybe he was on tonight.

[SuperJerk 0]

I guess Mick Foley is a wizard since he knew what Sting was making at one time.

 

I guess sports writers are wizards considering they get a hold of the contracts with undisclosed terms eventually.

Mick Foley was actually friendly with Sting and sports figures tend to make the numbers known themselves for bragging purposes.

 

If Meltzer says one number, and Brock's agent says another number, I'd tend to believe the guy who actually knows and represents Brock, rather than the reporter.

[humongous2002 0]

I guess Brock is not coming back at all, and here I was missing his dull boring ass matches with the Big Show.

[Guest unleashedfury]

I watched the segment on ESPN and I NEVER heard him saying he wish he never went to WWE. He talked about how poor he was in college and was in need for money, and how grueling the constant traveling in WWE with no off-season and how badly injured he was becoming were among many reasons he was miserable.

 

the source of these news is the torch, which you should take it with a grain of salt.

[Guest Nater]

I hope he doesnt come crawling back.

 

 

 

 

I hope he comes storming back with the power and influence that made him *Heyman voice* BRRROOCCK LESSNAAAAAARRRRRR

[Fökai 0]

Yah let's see, make over 5 mil a year as a WWE main eventer or make 250K as an NFL back up? Yah he picked the NFL for the money alright.

 

Brock was not making 5 or even 10 million a year in the WWE like his agent is falsely reporting. His downside guarantee was just over 1 million according to Meltzer in a past WO newsletter.

......

 

His downside guarantee was just over 1 million according to Meltzer in a past WO newsletter.

 

His downside guarantee was just over 1 million

 

His downside guarantee

 

With merchandising, pay-per-view payoffs and endorsements, Lesnar WAS making in the area of $5.0 - 10.0 million per year for his two years of work. This is common for the legitimate top-tier superstars when working a full-time schedule.

 

The downside guarantee is a contracted "promise", that means that even if business is in the toilets, or if Lesnar hadn't been positioned in the main event scene for the better part of his tenure with the WWE, he would still be making that year guarantee. Although, Lesnar obviously had one of the better guarantees the WWE had offered to a signee (for one, A-Train re-upped with a $250,000 downside).

[Guest Trivia247]

Keep in mind they didn't just pick him up off the street alla goldberg. Brock was in the System in the WWE for years before he even showed up on TV. He was in OVW training. You don't think that someone would have told him the work schedule long before?

[haVoc 0]

Sure they did. Then he grew to hate the road. Look at these bands and "artist" who do these big tours. They're making millions but have the nerve to bitch and complain about touring.

 

Some people just can't handle it.

[stahl 0]

Brock jobbing to Eddie wasn't anything to sing praise. Goldberg hit him with the spear and Eddie did a Tornado DDT onto the world title before doing the frog splash/pin, so Brock really didn't put Eddie over clean.

 

It would of been far worse if Eddie pinned Brock right after the spear. That would of looked like a fluke. The ending was as clean as can be given Eddies character of cheating.

 

If Meltzer says one number, and Brock's agent says another number, I'd tend to believe the guy who actually knows and represents Brock, rather than the reporter.

 

Meltzer understands the business and doesn't have an agenda like Brocks agent. Brocks agent wouldn't also be the first to manipulate facts in the history of sports. Fudging numbers makes for mainstream publicity when you get the story of the "Man turns down 10 million dollars to play for 250 grand and not even have a guaranteed chance in football"

 

With merchandising, pay-per-view payoffs and endorsements, Lesnar WAS making in the area of $5.0 - 10.0 million per year for his two years of work. This is common for the legitimate top-tier superstars when working a full-time schedule.

 

Even if Lesnar was making 5 million a year, that is still not 10 mil a year like his agent was reporting. 10 million dollars a year is also Austin and Rock money during the WWE's peak in the attitude area. Payoffs and bonus's are pretty low now and even with the past few years since business hasn't been that well. I find it hard to believe that Lesnar was making Austin money when Austin was 10 times the draw and probably 100 times the merchandise seller.

 

The downside guarantee is a contracted "promise", that means that even if business is in the toilets, or if Lesnar hadn't been positioned in the main event scene for the better part of his tenure with the WWE, he would still be making that year guarantee. Although, Lesnar obviously had one of the better guarantees the WWE had offered to a signee (for one, A-Train re-upped with a $250,000 downside).

 

Like I said above, even with bonus's, he wasn't making that much more, definatly not 10 times his contracts worth. Hogan got a 250 000 dollar pay off for wrestlemania 19, which was reported as one of the highest on the shows, and hogan was upset with that.

[SuperJerk 0]

Even if Lesnar was making 5 million a year, that is still not 10 mil a year like his agent was reporting.

The point was that Meltzer doesn't really "know" what Lesnar made, just what his guarantee was.

[stahl 0]

Even then I still don't buy, as well as many others that Lesnar could make that kind of money when it is obserd unless you are Austin or Hogan to get that kind of money in the business. Especially when business is down.

[SuperJerk 0]

Even then I still don't buy, as well as many others that Lesnar could make that kind of money when it is obserd unless you are Austin or Hogan to get that kind of money in the business. Especially when business is down.

I think its conceivable that Lesnar made $10 million during the entire time he was working for WWE, but not $10 million a year (as someone cited earlier).

 

Various media outlets have reported different figures.

[SuperJerk 0]

"Grappling with his future"

By Wayne Drehs

ESPN.com

 

MINNEAPOLIS -- The cute and curvy blonde 20-something had no idea what she was getting herself into. In her barely-there halter-top and her glossy red lipstick, she slithered into the giant's arms, set her chin on his chest, looked up into his eyes and delivered the message she had been sent to ask.

 

"My friend Shawn thinks you're kinda cute," she said.

 

 

Brock Lesnar was a bigger-than-life star of professional wrestling, ...

Not Shawna. Not Shana.

 

Shawn.

 

The 6-foot-3, 290-pound Goliath, the guy who benches 475 pounds, squats 695 pounds, steamed.

 

"Yeah?" the former pro wrestler said, his voice growing louder, his eyes getting bigger. "Well you tell that ..."

 

To print what Brock Lesnar said might make even John Rocker blush. But after his curse-laden outburst, he turned to a nearby reporter and explained, "I don't like gays. Write that down in your little notebook. I don't like gays."

 

Offended? Too bad. He doesn't care what you think. What your mom thinks. Or what that guy at the end of the bar thinks, his sexual orientation not withstanding. Lesnar is a self-described "blue-collar redneck" who owns a 47-acre ranch and spends his free time jumping up and down on beds -- sometimes breaking them -- with his 2-year-old daughter, Mya. If he could choose only three television channels to watch, it'd be a 24-hour hunting and fishing network, The Weather Channel and The Penthouse Channel. "I'd be a happy man," he said.

 

Instead, he's his own man. A man who loves contact. Aggression. And people telling him he can't do something.

 

It's the reason he can walk away from a lucrative pro wrestling contract and not think twice. It's the reason he can stand in front of the world, tell everyone he's going to play in the NFL and not hear the critics that tell him he's nuts.

 

While Steve McMichael (a former Chicago Bear), Bill Goldberg (the one-time Atlanta Falcon) and even Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson (who played at the University of Miami) used successful football careers to catapult them onto the professional wrestling stage, Lesnar is trying to do just the opposite.

 

Lesnar, the former NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion and the World Wrestling Entertainment's youngest champion ever, walked away from a seven-year, $45-million contract in March. In part because he was fed up with his wrestling persona, "The Next Big Thing." In part because he was sick of the travel. But mostly because of his lifelong dream to play professional football.

 

Though an April motorcycle accident slowed his progress, Lesnar has spent the majority of the past three months training in Arizona, hoping to latch on with a team during summer camp, then spend a year or two on the practice squad on his way to becoming an NFL star.

 

Think this is like Michael Jordan trying to hit a minor league curveball? Or Terrell Owens trying to prove that he's got the moves to play hoops in the United States Basketball League?

 

"I'm not stupid. I know the NFL is a difficult world to crack," he says. "But I'll play defensive line to left out. I'm fighting every f------ play. I can fight for real.

 

"If it was legal and I wouldn't get in trouble, I'd pick a fight on every street. If I wouldn't lose any money or nothing, I would fight. I'd fight every day."

 

The Next Big Thing

Nobody questions his tenacity. His strength. His pure athletic ability. A few weeks after his wrestling career came to an end with a Wrestlemania loss to Goldberg, Lesnar ran the 40-yard dash in 4.7 seconds, a blistering time for a man his size. He has a 10-foot standing broad jump. A 35-inch vertical leap, not to mention the bench and squat numbers. It's the tools of an NFL running back power packed into a gladiator's frame.

 

 

... who dreams of making it big in the NFL.

"He's a pitbull," said Luke Richesson, Lesnar's trainer at the International Performance Institute in Phoenix. "The guy is going to turn every single practice into a damn dog fight. They say take it easy? That ain't going to be happening. When you think long term, I would never bet against him."

 

Not everybody is sold. Lesnar last played football in 1995, as a high school lineman, running back and linebacker in South Dakota's small-school division, and received a handful of Division II scholarship offers. Eight years later, his football knowledge is raw.

 

He's worked with former All-Pro Seth Joyner and Ty Parten, a former defensive lineman with the Kansas City Chiefs and Cincinnati Bengals, to learn everything from the proper way to get into a three-point stance to how a defensive lineman drops back into pass coverage.

 

"He probably knows less than a high school player because he hasn't played in so long," Parten said. "But he wants to learn more."

 

Still, not many NFL teams have the time to teach him. Working in Lesnar's favor is the expansion of NFL practice squads from five to eight this season. Both the Indianapolis Colts and the Minnesota Vikings worked out Lesnar this month, though neither team has signed him.

 

"He's a project. Big time," Vikings player personnel director Scott Studwell said. "As much as you'd like to take a shot on a guy like him because of his athletic history, do you do it at the expense of cutting another player? Probably not. At the expense of taking reps away from a promising young player? Probably not. With Brock, it's like you're starting from scratch."

 

Football vs. Wrestling, Round 1

But Lesnar didn't turn his back on wrestling to fail at football. It was a redo. Five years ago, when he left the University of Minnesota as the NCAA heavyweight wrestling champion, the same two options were put in front of him: Football or wrestling.

 

“As much as you'd like to take a shot on a guy like him because of his athletic history, do you do it at the expense of cutting another player? Probably not. At the expense of taking reps away from a promising young player? Probably not. With Brock, it's like you're starting from scratch. ”

— Scott Studwell, Vikings player personnel director

Gopher alumn Tony Dungy, then the head coach with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, wanted him to try out for the NFL. At the same time, Vince McMahon, who owns what has since become known as WWE, saw Lesnar as the future of pro wrestling. He offered him guaranteed money. And career stability.

 

"As a starving college kid, what are you going to do?" Lesnar said. "Money on the table, a sure thing, versus a wild card. Are you kidding me? It was a no-brainer."

 

Lesnar became the quickest champion in WWE history, and soon had all the fame and fortune any kid from Webster, S.D., could ever want. But the unexpected birth of his daughter to a girlfriend he's no longer dating, combined with the 280-plus days a year on the road -- often in a different city every night -- wore on him. He looked at the older wrestlers, guys like Ric Flair and the Undertaker, and saw how much they missed their families. He didn't like the direction of his wrestling persona, and he couldn't get any straight answers out of McMahon. So after a South African tour in which he spent 50 hours on a plane to wrestle four different nights, he blew up and quit.

 

"I think Vince thought I'd change my mind and come back," Lesnar said. "But it wasn't going to happen.

 

"I was at the top of my game in wrestling, I was a three-time champion, I had pretty good coin in my pocket. What was stopping me? A set of nuts. You either nut up or you don't. So I did."

 

Against the odds

Now comes the challenge of making it pay off. Studwell puts the odds of Lesnar making an NFL team and having a successful pro career at "less than 50 percent." Complicating matters was an April motorcycle accident in which Lesnar broke his jaw, fractured his left hand, severely pulled his groin and suffered tissue damage in his lower abdomen. His testicles were swollen and bruised for weeks.

 

"Any other sorry sucker who went through that," Lesnar said, "his carcass would still be laying there. He'd be six feet under pushing daisies up. I'm still here."

 

After the accident, Lesnar's hard-nosed, gotta-play-hurt mentality kept his body from healing. On two separate occasions, NFL workouts had to be postponed because of complications following the accident.

 

"My mentality was to push through, but nothing could have been worse," Lesnar said. "Now, the main goal is just to get healthy. To get my body back to 100 percent so I can sign with a team, get into camp and show what I can do."

 

One of the biggest concerns is Lesnar's age. At 26, he's a good five years older than most NFL rookies. If it takes Lesnar two years on the practice squad and spending the offseason playing in NFL Europe to learn the game -- a conservative estimate by most scouts -- he won't be ready to contribute until he's 28.

 

"At that point, you have to ask yourself if he's past his prime," Studwell said. "Because you've lost some critical years in a football career."

 

But the transition has been done before. Stephen Neal, who beat Lesnar for the 1999 NCAA heavyweight title as a senior at Cal-State Bakersfield, is a reserve offensive lineman with the New England Patriots. Without any college football experience, he was signed as a non-drafted free agent at the age of 24. If not for a shoulder injury suffered during the preseason, he would have started last year.

 

"The one thing that blows coaches away is every single time he does a drill, he'll get better," Neal said. "If Brock goes in there with the approach that he knows nothing and can soak everything up like a sponge, it's just a matter of time."

 

The big question

Heads turn when Lesnar walks into a trendy downtown Minneapolis restaurant, his tight blue T-shirt and baggy khakis clinging to him with his every stride.

 

“ All that talk is jealousy. I don't need anything to get me up at the gym other than Metallica and AC/DC. When it comes down to it, bring your little piss cup and I will fill it for you. ”

— Brock Lesnar

But the question is nothing new. Neither are the looks. He says they've been there since high school. Yet Lesnar insists he's never used steroids. He points to the fact that he started working out when he was 6 years old, enduring three hernias as a child after trying to replicate his older brother's workouts, as the reason his body developed as it has. He says he was tested for steroids by his college coach, J Robinson, by the NCAA at the national championships and by the WWE. Not once, he says, did he test positive.

 

Because of the stigma that comes along with professional wrestlers, Lesnar said he plans to submit himself for drug testing as part of the NFL's pre-employment screening process.

 

"All that talk is jealousy. I don't need anything to get me up at the gym other than Metallica and AC/DC," Lesnar said. "When it comes down to it, bring your little piss cup and I will fill it for you."

 

A summer of change

The next month is critical for Lesnar's dream. NFL camps open in July, meaning he has less than a month to impress a team, sign a free-agent contract and get ready for camp.

 

Once there, the biggest challenge begins -- learning the playbook. He'll be stereotyped as the physical freak that talks lots of trash but isn't quite sure how to get into his three-point stance.

 

He'll have gone from one of the biggest stars in professional wrestling, the center of the spotlight, to a nobody. Once the guy everybody knows, he'll become the guy that wears a piece of masking tape across his helmet to identify who he is.

 

The odds are against him. His road is long. But just like that night in the club, when he not-so-politely told the 20-something girl he wasn't interested in her male friend, he doesn't care. He's doing this his way.

 

"This is not some half-assed shot to see what I can do and try to make the NFL," Lesnar said. "For me, this is balls out, 100 percent.

 

"And I plan on knocking the snot out of somebody."

 

credit: ESPN.com

[SuperJerk 0]

^Wow. This got completely ignored.^

[Jobber of the Week 0]

That's because we're talking about it in sports. Where it arguably belongs.

[Guest Quik]

Brock has to relax. If he acts like this, every NFL team will piss on the idea of signing him. He's shaping up to be a P.R. nightmare; he's a homophobic ex-wrestler who describes himself as a hillbilly. Not that he's different from most Offensive Linemen, but at least they aren't vocal about it.

[Promoter 0]

I wonder if Brock was still the reigning champion he would have packed his bags and left? Seriously, I liked the guy and all, but he seems to be a mark for himself and using excuses when things don't go his way. Look how he phoned in the match at Mania XX just because the crowd let him have it. One thing's for sure, I wouldn't be surprised to see him return as a heel for WM 21 in LA. I say bring bring back Austin(yeah, like this guy can't do a match) and Lesnar as an attraction. They will surely get some money off that match-up.

[SuperJerk 0]

^Good point.^

 

That's because we're talking about it in sports. Where it arguably belongs.

In my opinion, it doesn't belong in sports until he actually gets signed by a team. Plus, he's an ex-WWE star who talks about the WWE in the interview. I think that means it belongs in this folder.

[Guest Choken One]

It also talks about his aspirations in the NFL and how NFL teams are looking at him...

 

 

It belongs in sport more so then WWE.

[Guest Trivia247]

this is almost like those threads of Bret Hart that float on the WWE forum occassionally because its Bret Hart.

 

Brock should be discussed in a Non WWE page since he isn't around the WWE, and evidently have said it was a mistake to go into it in the first place.

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

This does put more perspective on this..

 

from Fantasy Booking, 2002, the post: "The Rock announces that he's gay"

 

This starts on Smackdown, with the post-movie return of the Rock. Rock is hyped as having a major announcement.

 

When he comes out, he comes out in a pink t-shirt and pants, with bleached hair.

 

When he gets the mic, he announces that over his time in the movies, he has turned gay. He redubs himself as "Rocky".

Rocky keeps this up until he comes into the sights of Brock Lesnar. Rocky flirts with Brock and tells him all sorts of weird stuff. Until they sign a title match.

 

During the match, Rocky french-kisses Brock, leaving him open for a Rock Bottom and Elbow for the pin and the title.

 

Next SD: Rocky comes out with his normal clothes and hair, announcing that the reason he acted gay for months was to play mindgames and retake the title from Brock Lesnar.

 

Therefore he become the Rock again, and all is well in the world

 

yep, I called it!