WWE Title At It's Most Worthless State Ever?

[Guest Repo Man Reborn]

How can you be a tweener after you commit murder?

 

 

 

 

 

TWEENER

[2GOLD 0]

How can you be a tweener after you commit murder?

 

 

 

 

 

TWEENER

 

Why is OJ in a ref shirt?

Is he the special guest ref for the rematch at Summerslam?

[Guest Repo Man Reborn]

It's actually Stephanie in an OJ mask.

[Guest Choken One]

I would have been fine with Rikishi as a Transitional Champion in 2000 when he was UNGODLY over but Holly was never once at that peak...

 

i'm still not sure if im angry about this or not, sounds like they just wanted to make eddy an even bigger face by making him do the chase...

[Youth N Asia 0]

I just got home and read the results...

 

I have no fucking clue what to think about anything anymore.

[Promoter 0]

I have been lurking here ever since the last smartmarks website went down. I use to post at that one and it seems like the rulers of this site have made it mandatory to be a member(not that I'm complaining). It is interesting that my first post is about Bradshaw as WWE Champ.

 

I will add another 2 cents here as I can't see someone who has watched wrestling over the years can see this crowning of Bradshaw as WWE Champion as anything positive. They are screwing with the instrument that is suppose to be the main source for drawing on the main event level. I really don't think Vince put the title on JBL to piss off the internet. He put the title on JBL most likely because he got heat from CNBC and some little attention, however I think the Billy and Chuck angle had much more heat than this(even getting GLAAD involved) and Vince never put the tag titles on them. Their heat vanished as soon as the angle went south. This is short-sighted on the company's part because I think the majority of fans don't even know that Germany incident happened. Actually, I think most wouldn't even care and just wonder why he did that to begin with.

 

I also understand the less griping may make the wwe pull back on the JBL main event push, but more likely it wouldn't because it seems as if the wwe could care less what the internet thinks(which is why some of my bashing has stopped on smackdown). If they did things to appease or piss off the internet a lot would be different with their booking. I really have to wonder why the company has given Bradshaw this monter push. I think he has broken the records set by winning a world championship after having only 3 televised matches after being in a tag team. A tag team way past their prime and who were losing to the Bashams of all people. Bradshaw broke Lesnar's record by winning the title within 3 months of a singles career(I know about his 2002 abysmal run). I don't like how the wwe is treating its own historical title like an experimental championship in terms of putting the title on someone in hopes of getting them over because they wouldn't be otherwise.

 

 

The reason I'm starting to believe this theory is that you have to look how the title has been booked since September 2002. For all intents and purposes the wwe used the lineage to give the champ some credibility, while they built up the world heavyweight championship on raw. Brock had to keep the wwe title because of the way the storyline ran and to also keep credibility for his main event championship role and the title was somewhat still in a good light. The chinks started show when Big Show won the title while a few weeks prior he was jobbing to Jeff Hardy. That wasn't too bad since Big Show with help from Heyman got back some of his credibility.

 

The title started to trade back and forth between Angle and Lesnar. Both men have strong athletic backgrounds, so it wasn't really any problem until Lesnar started to defend against the likes of Bob Holly and even having matches with Billy Gunn on smackdown. Eddie Guerrero was now primed for a title run as he went over. All was well and good, but since he got the title the only real credible person to go up against Eddie has been Kurt Angle and that was at WM XX. Attendance and ratings actually went up for a while when Eddie got the strap. What the hell happened? You know what happened? Eddie became a sitting duck champ and the wwe did nothing to help him by pitting him against tag team wrestlers and now he loses to a tag team wrestler?

 

I don't think there are any real excuses because the wwe had a storyline tool to help out smackdown and decided not to. I also don't think Eddie winning the title again will mean anything. They had it right the first time because fans were really wanting to see someone like Eddie get a chance. Winning it again will be like everyone else just getting a turn. It also worries me that the wwe will start to create champions in this fashion in the future. It's against all logic to put the title on someone who is not drawing, not making ratings go up, can't generate heat that really has people caring, can't put on good matches, and is costing you money and giving bad publicity. This just does not make any sense whatsoever. If the plan is to put the title back on Eddie after a rematch what was the sense? It would have only weakened Eddie's presence as a real main eventer. This type of thing only works with someone of a stature of an Austin or Hogan where the mainstream fans will accept them as the real deal regardless of any losses because they are that strong. Eddie has just started to main event and to do so in a championship role. You don't cement new guys in the main event scene in this fashion by not going over people like Bradshaw who would be laughing stock if he was champion in the hey day of Attitude. Again, look at this title and look at the title of Benoit's? The more this settles in the more I realize how dumb this move is.

[benoit4hor 0]

Even after watching Slaughter wrestle on RAW last night, this is still the worst champion they have ever had.

 

In fact they should have just put the belt on Papa Shango & Mable too. They at least had the interesting gimmick/fat guy thing going.

[AndrewTS 0]

Even after watching Slaughter wrestle on RAW last night, this is still the worst champion they have ever had. 

 

In fact they should have just put the belt on Papa Shango & Mable too.  They at least had the interesting gimmick/fat guy thing going.

I know you're joking, but Godfather/Shango is released and Mable's in that "missing from public radar...rumored to be dead" area.

 

However, if he can get healthy again, I'd mark for an Earthquake comeback, and not just out of sympathy. He can team with Heenan and feud for the title after squashing some pantyhose filled with tumors.

 

Of course, it's just the b show's title, so WWE doesn't really care WHO has it.

[BHK 0]

I think the Billy and Chuck angle had much more heat than this(even getting GLAAD involved) and Vince never put the tag titles on them.

 

Billy Gunn (9) & Chuck Palumbo 02/21/02 Rockford Smackdown!

Rikishi (2) & Rico 5/19/02 Judgement Day

Billy Gunn (10) & Chuck Palumbo (2) 06/06/02 Oklahoma City Smackdown!

[benoit4hor 0]

Lol Earthquake.

 

 

Yeah I meant in the past, being they were just gonna piss on the title in 2004 anyway.

[Slickster 0]

I think the Billy and Chuck angle had much more heat than this(even getting GLAAD involved) and Vince never put the tag titles on them.

 

Billy Gunn (9) & Chuck Palumbo 02/21/02 Rockford Smackdown!

Rikishi (2) & Rico 5/19/02 Judgement Day

Billy Gunn (10) & Chuck Palumbo (2) 06/06/02 Oklahoma City Smackdown!

They got 'married' in 9/02, so the comparison is still valid.

[benoit4hor 0]

Speaking of Chuck whats the deal, are they keeping him off TV in hopes we forget he also is a crappy tag-team wrestler. So they can then begin his Main Event push were he eventually wins Benoit's title in a capture the flag match?

[Promoter 0]

Four months ago I would have thought that was a bad joke, but not so much now

 

How would they re-package him? Never mind as there is no need to give them any more bright ideas

[Exslade ZX 0]

For all those that are saying it could be worse. Just think...

 

 

 

THIS is the man holding the title...I know most of us never thought we'd see the day.

[benoit4hor 0]

Remember the "new" Blackjacks. Even a washed up Barry Windham would have been better.

[Jericholic82 0]

Even though I am not too happy, hey at least we got a real surprise winner for once, even when eddie won at nwo we knew it was gonna happen thanks to the booking of berg/brock and angel winning #1 contendership

 

I think the smarks hatred of bradshaw is overcoming their logical judgment. Truth be told, the live crowds have been reacting to this feud at least. not saying it warrants jbl getting the belt, but hey its somethin different like I said

 

one question, is it absolutely imperative that the world champs must be under 6 foot tall and under 260 lbs and can wrestle so called 5 star matches? Do you people really believe in workrate or are you just copying everyones elses opinion

 

 

besides, remember its all a work, no one "wins" a title, its given to them. no one complained when foley won the wwf title, though it was clearly given to him merely for his loyalty and sacrifice then due to anything else and remember he wasnt a technical wrestler

 

 

Clearly, both benoit and eddies reigns have bombed. The only difference is Raw is stil interesting due to the other main eventers and midcarders. Sure you can say they havent pushed benoit enough but the truth is the man has no personality, it is really hard to get him over, except by with his ability and his tenacity which have worked, but from there its hard to build a believable feud

 

 

 

Man the net truly has ruined pro wrestling

 

thanks a lot guys

[Promoter 0]

Nah, the draft lottery ruined wrestling. Actually, some might say this whole brand split ruined wrestling, but that is another story. Turth be told wrestling has gone downhill ever since WrestleMania 17. I think that was this generation's Mania 6 in terms of fans disappearing after the last true mega event and main event of this era.

[Addy 0]

I marked out when JBL won the title. I was pretty pissed after Guerrero was announced the champion, as I wanted to get my moneys worth out of the event. At least at £15 I got to see the World Championship change hands. Probably the first shock I've had in wrestling since 'Evil Coach'.

 

All this "death of Smackdown" shit is nonsense. How many times have you guys said "the death of RAW, the death of the WWE Title, the death of Smackdown and even the death of WWE (!)" on these forums?

 

Just like Bobby Heenen once said: "Have fun with wrestling. It's not the cure for cancer or anything."

[Promoter 0]

All this "death of Smackdown" shit is nonsense. How many times have you guys said "the death of RAW, the death of the WWE Title, the death of Smackdown and even the death of WWE (!)" on these forums?

 

Just like Bobby Heenen once said: "Have fun with wrestling. It's not the cure for cancer or anything."

I don't think it was any more times than people saying wcw sucked and was dying during the great depression of wcw post 1999

 

I don't think Bobby Heenan would have fun watching smackdown at its current rate. It actually may give someone cancer

[J. Hungerford Smith 0]

I think anyone who compares this to David Arquette is totally missing the point. See, I don't think WCW meant anyone to take the Arquette thing seriously, but we're all supposed to actually believe that John Bradshaw Layfield is a credible champion...good character or not, you can't take this seriously. A character can only go through so many turns and gimmick changes before he becomes simply laughable, JBL and Kane are perfect examples.

 

I'd also like to call bullshit on this leading to "the death of Smackdown" or whatever because nothing is running Smackdown into the ground more than just the overall booking. John Cena is easily the most over guy in the company and they're leaving him linger in the midcard when they truly need to cash in on him now before people grow tired of him. I also truly believe that Eddie Guerrero has done a far better job as champion than Chris Benoit as far as getting over and working with what he's been given. Not to fault Benoit as he has only had 3 real challengers but Guerrero's feud with JBL has been far more entertaining and intriguing than Benoit's skirmishes with HHH, HBK and Kane.

 

The problem with Smackdown is that while they do have Cena, Undertaker, and Guerrero that there is no meat in the middle of the roster, the segments that don't involve those three are merely uninteresting gaps in the show. I think Brock Lesnar's departure should be given the majority of the blame for Smackdown's downward spiral considering the show didn't really begin to suck so bad until after WrestleMania XX, the time where Smackdown would need Lesnar the most, a big name to either enter a feud with the Undertaker or Guerrero since Kurt Angle went down. Losing both Angle and Lesnar at the same time is a really big blow to the roster, and I think the current state of Smackdown proves that.

[SuperJerk 0]

Not to fault Benoit as he has only had 3 real challengers but Guerrero's feud with JBL has been far more entertaining and intriguing than Benoit's skirmishes with HHH, HBK and Kane.

When Benoit feuds with someone, he proves how tough he is by wrestling people. Guerrero proves how tough he is by stealing limos and pouring beer into their hats, and finding other underhanded ways to embarrass them.

 

I find Benoit far more entertaining.

[Australian Pride 0]

Not to fault Benoit as he has only had 3 real challengers but Guerrero's feud with JBL has been far more entertaining and intriguing than Benoit's skirmishes with HHH, HBK and Kane.

When Benoit feuds with someone, he proves how tough he is by wrestling people. Guerrero proves how tough he is by stealing limos and pouring beer into their hats, and finding other underhanded ways to embarrass them.

 

I find Benoit far more entertaining.

I agree that the wrestling side of things should take priority, but unfortunately the majority of the audience doesnt see it that way and would easily rate Eddie as the more accessible champion.

I've always found Benoit matches to be more entertaining that Eddie's, but i have to admit that with his overall character and ability Eddie has a better chance at lasting in the main event bracket and restoring pride in the WWE title than Benoit would if he was on Smackdown.

[Promoter 0]

The wwe has no excuses for the weakness of the main event scene on smackdown. Anyone remember a storyline tool in the draft lottery? The wwe could have used that to prevent this disease of crap spreading across smackdown. Don't let them off so easy because Angle. Big Show, and Brock are missing. Angle and Show will be back soon. I do think the wwe has more faith in Eddie than Benoit as champ and for good reason. Eddie has the much better overall character. However, that doesn't mean they had to saddle the man with heat sinkers like The Bashams and JBL(and no his heel heat on the net is not mainstream filling arena type heat).

[JustJoe2k5 0]

But Chris Benoit can continue to put on good/great matches in the ring, while Eddie Guerrero will eventually suffer from his crappy gimmick. The low-rider and cheating in his matches is already getting old and he doesn't really have anyone on Smackdown to put on good/great matches with unless Kurt Angle comes back. Having him lose the title is a perfect time to let him go back to being an intense competitor and not just a smiling dancer, but WWE loves them some stereotypes.

[humongous2002 0]

Whatever happened to the good ol' days when a wrestler needed to be over before he got the title? JBL couldn't even cut it as a hardcore champion, is Vince expecting us to believe that he is world champion material? The guy is not even good enough to be an Indy champion.

[Guest Repo Man Reborn]

The only way the WWE title could be worth less would be if a GLOW girl was holding it.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

The only way the WWE title could be worth less would be if a GLOW girl was holding it.

Or Jeff Jarrett

[Promoter 0]

I agree with the sentiment that Vince giving us Bradshaw as WWE CHAMPION is really pushing it. It would get blasted in 1984(hell there were rumbles of people debating if Vince should put the title on the hot Hogan), 1994(no way he would have got pushed ahead of Luger or Hart and be behind Owen Hart as top heel), and in 2004(it's been stated all over the net). Trying to pass this guy off as a champion of the promotion is ridiculous and he is midcard. The day the fans start to accept this crap from the Mcmahons I will shudder to think what other crapola they will try to pass off.

 

Yes, Eddie is somewhat starting to become a caricature of himself. He also seems to lose his cool easier than Benoit as champ, but who wouldn't lose it with the programs he's been dumped with.

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

Honestly, I think JBL's title reign can be summed up this easily. The only reason why they put the title on him is because they thought it might be a lightning in a bottle type situation over the situation in Germany. They thought that it would be over television and newspapers(in a controversial way) that the WWE had made him champion. You know how Vince is.....any publicity is good publicity.

[TheBigSwigg 0]

Honestly, I think JBL's title reign can be summed up this easily. The only reason why they put the title on him is because they thought it might be a lightning in a bottle type situation over the situation in Germany. They thought that it would be over television and newspapers(in a controversial way) that the WWE had made him champion. You know how Vince is.....any publicity is good publicity.

I think you're title says it all very well......