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[Guest Anglesault]

He's STILL FUCKING AT IT.

 

Give it up, Roger, it's over, you lost any minor chance you may have had when you lied about retiring and went to another team.

 

You're a Red Sox. IT'S OVER.

 

Clemens wants to be Yankee in Hall

 

By Mike Klis

Denver Post Staff Writer

 

 

Roger Clemens may be a Texan through and through. He may be pitching for his hometown team, the Houston Astros.

 

But when he's done playing, and his likeness is bronzed in baseball's Hall of Fame, Clemens wants to be immortalized wearing a New York Yankees cap.

 

"Yeah, right now I definitely still feel a part of that," Clemens said Tuesday before the Astros' game against the San Diego Padres. "The opportunity that Mr. (George) Steinbrenner gave me. He gave me the opportunity and I in turn earned it.

 

"Winning two championships, a Cy Young, my 300th ... it's a pretty good list. Reggie (Jackson) was there for five years, did some amazing, quality things. I think Nolan (Ryan) was with the Rangers for five years. So I think in that scenario ... but again that's a bridge you cross when you get there."

 

 

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A Hall of Fame committee, not Clemens, will determine which cap "The Rocket" will wear when he is enshrined five years after he retires. The Boston Red Sox are sure to be considered because he spent the first 13 years of his 21-year career there and recorded 183 of his 320 wins.

 

The Hall of Fame will have to wait because Clemens has other honors before him. He was just named to the National League all-star team and is almost certain to start the game that will be played Tuesday in front of his family and friends in Houston.

 

Once there, considerable attention will be placed on Clemens pitching to his former New York Mets nemesis Mike Piazza, who will be the NL's starting catcher. In the 2000 season, Clemens, then pitching for the Yankees, beaned Piazza with a fastball to the helmet in an interleague game. Later that season in the Subway World Series, Clemens heaved the barrel of Piazza's broken bat in the direction of the hitter.

 

"As far as Mike and I, a long time ago I was OK with the whole situation," Clemens said.

 

Mike Klis can be reached at 303-820-5440 or [email protected] .

[starvenger 0]

And people here in Houston wonder why I hate Clemens...

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I missed the part of the article where Clemens says, "I want to wear a Yankees cap in the Hall." By the quote Clemens gives, it would appear a reporter asked him a question, and Clemens gave a polite response instead of saying "fuck off" to the Yankees.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I still say he should wear a Blue Jays cap in the Hall. I mean he did win a Cy Young award every season he was there, not to mention he proved he wasn't over the hill there.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

One of the best pitchers in the game wants to be immortalized wearing a Yankee cap and I'm supposed to feel some sort of outrage because.....he didn't retire when he said he was going to? Because he went to another team?

 

Anglesault I think you've invested a little too much emotion in this game called baseball.

[Guest Anglesault]

One of the best pitchers in the game wants to be immortalized wearing a Yankee cap and I'm supposed to feel some sort of outrage because.....he didn't retire when he said he was going to?

Otherwise known as lying.

 

I don't like being lied to.

 

But that's not the point.

 

He made his career as a Red Sox and won most of his accolades as a Red Sox.

 

He always probably should have been a Red Sox, but he had a small chance with the Yankees if he would have just stuck to his word.

 

The Yankees would have been the team he won the rings with, where he won one Cy Young, won his 300th and where he retired. He probably still would have been with the team in some capacity when the ballot came up, giving him a strong ten years within the organization.

 

Now it's just a bump in the road of a Sox dominated career.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

How does that make any sense? Your saying it doesn't matter how long his Yankee career was or what he did during it as much as where he went afterwards?

 

I mean do you honestly think he knew all along he was going to Houston, and he was just lying for the sake of lying? Do you not realize the mindset of people change, most often, unexpectedly? If your taking forced answers from interviews as something more solid and lasting than the bible than I definetly think your a little too into it. Why is he a bad guy for taking advantage of an oppurtunity anyone would of taken? I mean I blame the Yankees more than anyone considering Pettite was definetly a factor in him going there.

 

To say what he did diminishes what he did for some retarded, loyalty based reason is just being silly. That was his Yankee career whether he retired or played for houston, if it's not good enough one way it's not good enough the other way.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I believe the player elected to the Hall should go in with the team cap that he has wore the most in his career.... in Clemens's case, it'd be the Sox.

[EVIL~! alkeiper 0]

I think they should simply stop putting team logos on hats.

[Bored 0]

The Hall of Fame decides what hat you wear for the last few years now. He'll go in with the Red Sox as he should.

[Guest Anglesault]

I mean do you honestly think he knew all along he was going to Houston, and he was just lying for the sake of lying?

I don't think he ever planned on staying retired. I half think he had it in his mind that he was going to lead the US to a Gold Medal in Athens and then triumphantly return to the Yankees for the stretch run.

 

At the same time, I think Andy Pettitte knew exactly what he wanted to do from some point during the season and was trying to plant the seeds with Clemens to come with him.

 

When the Olympics went to hell, he knew exactly what he was going to do.

 

Do you not realize the mindset of people change, most often, unexpectedly

 

Maybe I just lead a strange life, but I honestly have never seen someone commit to a major life decision for well over a year and then just suddenly, one day go "Oh, never mind."

 

How does that make any sense? Your saying it doesn't matter how long his Yankee career was or what he did during it as much as where he went afterwards?

 

I'm saying he would have had a better chance to get what he wanted if he would have retired as and stayed with the Yankees. Then he honestly could have called himself as much a Yankee as he was a Red Sox.

[Guest FrigidSoul]

I think they should simply stop putting team logos on hats.

I'd agree with this except in the case where a person spends their entire career with one team.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

Ok the first part of that was just ridiculous, so we'll actlike it was never posted.

 

"Maybe I just lead a strange life, but I honestly have never seen someone commit to a major life decision for well over a year and then just suddenly, one day go "Oh, never mind.""

 

Yeah, because I'm sure he took all of one second to make the decision. He had a plan, another oppurtunity presented itself, and he took it. That doesn't diminish anything he's done with the Yankee's.

 

"I'm saying he would have had a better chance to get what he wanted if he would have retired as and stayed with the Yankees. Then he honestly could have called himself as much a Yankee as he was a Red Sox. "

 

But it doesn't change his Yankee career, it was what it was, whether he retired to some bogus pointless job or wrapped it up near home. He still would of played the better part of his career with the Red Sox, no matter where he went.

 

You seem to be forgetting the most important thing in all of this, THE GAME. Get away from your dumb concepts of loyalty and who's a what and just enjoy pro ball players playing pro ball.

[Fuzzy Dunlop 0]

AS, I thought you said you were all done with Clemens hate.

[Guest Anglesault]

Ok the first part of that was just ridiculous, so we'll actlike it was never posted.

I don't think it's all that ridiculous.

 

Clemens wanted to pitch the Olympics. He couldn't.

 

Andy Pettitte clearly had no intentions of staying in NY after 2003. I don't think it's at all outrageous to suggest that he talked to his best friend on the team about joining him in Texas.

 

That's such a stretch?

 

Yeah, because I'm sure he took all of one second to make the decision. He had a plan, another oppurtunity presented itself, and he took it.

 

That's the equivalent of getting engaged and then finding a slightly prettier girl and eloping with her on your planned wedding day.

[2GOLD 0]

I think he should be the first player to go into the Hall wearing a Cowboy hat. And I don't mean the football team logo.

[the max 0]

He should go in wearing a hat with a dollar sign on it.

[NoCalMike 0]

One of the best pitchers in the game wants to be immortalized wearing a Yankee cap and I'm supposed to feel some sort of outrage because.....he didn't retire when he said he was going to?

Otherwise known as lying.

 

I don't like being lied to.

 

I thought you were a Bush supporter!?!

[Cartman 0]

[Guest Anglesault]

AS, I thought you said you were all done with Clemens hate.

And for the most part I am. I want him to do well for the rest of his career.

 

But that's doesn't mean I've forgotten what he did.

 

And it certainly doesn't mean I want him to go in the Hall as a Yankee.

 

I think the Yankee wing of Cooperstown would somehow find a way to be respectable even if it doesn't have Clemens.

[Guest Vitamin X]

I mean do you honestly think he knew all along he was going to Houston, and he was just lying for the sake of lying?

I don't think he ever planned on staying retired. I half think he had it in his mind that he was going to lead the US to a Gold Medal in Athens and then triumphantly return to the Yankees for the stretch run.

Don't be so confident of your gold medal just yet, Yankee imperialist.

[nl5xsk1 0]

I'm not implying that AS is guilty of this, but I love hearing/reading all the Yankees fans who just one season ago were ranting and raving about how Clemens should go to the Hall as a Yankee are now saying "well, it makes sense that he goes in as a Red Sox player".

 

Hey, he fucked over Boston first, just because he 'lied' to the Yankees shouldn't erasee all the reasons that people used to list on why he should go into the Hall as a NYY.

[alfdogg 0]

You're a Red Sox.

Wouldn't he be a "Red Sock"?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

He should've went in as a Red Sox rep from the beginning.....how could you possibly disagree with that? It's the team where he made his name and was easily at his best with.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

That's the equivalent of getting engaged and then finding a slightly prettier girl and eloping with her on your planned wedding day.

 

 

Because retiring to some bogus title job is the same as pitching one last year close to home....how? You do know how analogy's work right?

[Guest Anglesault]

That's the equivalent of getting engaged and then finding a slightly prettier girl and eloping with her on your planned wedding day.

 

 

Because retiring to some bogus title job is the same as pitching one last year close to home....how? You do know how analogy's work right?

I think you missed a point. I never mentioned

 

I was pointing out how Roger made a commitment to do something, said multiple times that he would do it, and just "changed his mind" right before the next season's spring training started.

 

That would be like me getting engaged, planning the wedding for a year and jumping out the last day.

 

No one actually does such a thing because people generally stick to their word and the commitments they make.

 

If Roger thought there was a slight chance that he was coming back, he should have said so. Instead, he went on the whole tour, got his ass thrown in the all star game, got all the standing ovations and ended up making everyone look like asses three months later.

 

Unless, of course, you're trying to say that the man was 100 percent committed to retire. In which case nothing would have changed his mind.

[Guest Nelly's Bandaid]

Anglesault your dillusional, you act like you know he had this planned from the start, that he did it all to get those ovations and that All Star start, when he had nothing to do with it. He never told anyone to cheer or vote for him, he never said 'it's my last year so be nice'. He said what his plans were at the time, people reacted, his plans changed.

 

So I should hate him now, and just forget about the years of good pitching? Because he changed his mind? Sorry, what he did on the field is what he did on the field, whether he retired when he said he wanted to or not has no bearing on that.

[Guest Anglesault]

Anglesault your dillusional, you act like you know he had this planned from the start, that he did it all to get those ovations and that All Star start, when he had nothing to do with it. He never told anyone to cheer or vote for him, he never said 'it's my last year so be nice'. He said what his plans were at the time, people reacted, his plans changed.

Roger Clemens is not a stupid man. Only an idiot would think the Roger Clemens retirement tour would yield anything else than what it did.

 

So I should hate him now, and just forget about the years of good pitching? Because he changed his mind?

 

It's just two different schools of though that we follow. We're not going to agree on it.

 

I feel that if a man says he's going to do something, he should do it.

 

You obviously feel that what a man says should have no bearing on what he does.

 

We're not going to agree on that and it's just a big waste of everyone's time.

[nl5xsk1 0]

Yeah, people should really have trusted Clemens when he said that he was going to retire. Just like when he swore that he wanted to leave Boston to play closer to home in Texas ... and then went to Toronto. Clemens was an ass then, and he's an ass now. All he's done is give Red Sox fans & Yankees fans something to agree about.

[Guest Anglesault]

All he's done is give Red Sox fans & Yankees fans something to agree about.

Scary.

 

Really, he is an ass, but I've gotten past the point where I want the rest of his career (It's not ending this year) to suck.

 

I wish him the best as long as he stays as far away from my team as possible.