New Mattitude Commentary-- Be positive, guys.

[Guest combat_rock]

Well, there is a good chance he will be gone after his match with Kane. It's probably a good thing, even though I really like Matt as a wrestler. He was much better as a heel though.

 

Anyway, if he and Lita leave for a while, it'll let Kane be involved in other things, untill they are ready to come back and end this pregnancy angle once and for all.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

So if Matt says that we shouldn't take opinion as fact..

 

... is that an opinion or a fact?

[Guest Dumb Fuck]

Matt is quite the hypocrite...

 

Yes, I agree it's annoying when people automatically assume things suck...

 

But...

 

A portion of the Internet writers don’t think Lita is that great of a WWE performer or asset to the company. For whatever reasons, they aren’t Lita fans, whether it is her in-ring skills or character or whatever. You’re wrong. She is the most popular and successful woman currently in the wrestling business. Success isn’t measured solely by how great of a wrestler you are. Never has been, never will be. She is talented in so many ways that some people just don’t know and can’t see from the surface.

 

Does he care to actually say why people are fans of her?

 

Since you are in the business and know so much... please enlighten us on these hidden talents that your girl has, instead of just telling me that your company makes crap to sell because of her.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

I'd like to know who these "Internet Writers" are. Is he talking about Meltzer (who he probably subscribes to)? Keller? Keith? (?) We're writing on the internet, is he talking about us??? Hows abouts you have the balls to actually point out who you're criticizing Mattyboy, rather than hiding behind a generalization.

[J.B. Buzzkill 0]

(In response to Kevin Nash)

 

Protruding thongs and *very* badly done lucha moves make for quite the popularity among casual fans.

[Hektik 0]

I never got the whole "lets bash are are most loyal fan base." They are always quick to point out that smart marks are just a small minority, yet they always feel a need to put them down as if they are a rival promotion. A good example of this was the Layfield Germany issue. It was the smart marks who pounded it and got big media's attention. He was fired from CNBC and Vince put the title on him. Instead of just taking it on the chin, he decided to stick it to big media and smart marks by putting the world title on him.

 

Until someone has worked within the sports-entertainment business, they really have no idea how things work and what makes things successful. There are many aspects of the wrestling business that only people on the inside understand. It’s impossible to be on the outside of this business and understand how everything works within it.

Dave Meltzer is well respected by people on the "inside." Even Ric 'I hate smarks and the internet' Flair gave him his personal endorsement.

[Guest Quik]

Karma? Positivity? Why don't you go eat some tofu and trim a banzai tree, ya fuckin pussy!?

 

Just kidding. I actually like Matt Hardy as a wrestler and character, but this whole column just sounds whiny. The internet needs to be taken with a grain of salt. We can be as negative as we want to be, but most of the time I think it's done in a humorous manner. Would as many people post and read the Raw thread if everyone wrote a three page essay pointing out what could have been done better after every crappy angle? Hell no. You read the gag about how Lita's gonna give birth to a hand after Mark Henry reveals that he's actually the father, and you move on.

 

This isn't Shakespeare, we don't analyze the program to entertain ourselves. It's a fucking TV show, bottom line, and if we see something stupid we make fun of it. It's not our job to come up with entertaining ideas and storylines, it's the writer's job. It's our job to sit back, watch it, and justify the advertising costs for Subway. If I want to make an off-hand comment about how stupid Kane's character is, or how I'd rather fuck Victoria in the ass instead of watching her wrestle, it's my, and your, right to do so as an audience member.

[iggymcfly 0]

OK, just like Matt says, I'm gonna try to think positively.

 

Well, since Matt has a knee injury going into their match, maybe Kane can do something really cool in their no DQ match to take Matt the fuck out. Then, when Matt sells it for two months while he's fixing up his knee, Kane can actually get some heat and start to reclaim his monster status.

 

Of course, knowing the WWE, they'll probably let Kane beat him on Sunday, and then Tyson Tomko will put him through a table on Raw, "injuring" him to set up a feud between the two.

[Guest cobainwasmurdered]

they're told to say these things. It's always the same comments just phrased differently. Everyone gets all worked up and then the WWE laughs.

[Silence 0]

they're told to say these things. It's always the same comments just phrased differently. Everyone gets all worked up and then the WWE laughs.

So are Benoit and Eddie going to bash us, then?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

I think you're all just proving what Matt said in his article.

 

All he was basically saying is that instead of bashing everything the WWE does and saying it sucks, we should give constructive critisism on how to make it better. He wasn't saying "You must think everything is good, and if you say otherwise you're stupid". He even said the WWE aren't perfect. He said you can think something is no good, but look for the positives and think of ways to improve on it instead of just saying "That sucks" and leaving it at that. I totally agree with him.

 

Now, not everyone, but by alot of you just bashing what he had to say and calling him another one of Vince McMahon's goons, you're proving what he said about the internet fanbase being negative. He didn't bash internet fans, he simply asked us to try and make it a more positive environment. So how do we respond? With a bunch of negative feedback to what he said. Oye.

[AndrewTS 0]

"I think you're all just proving what Matt said in his article."

 

That's a very diplomatic way to start, sir.

 

"All he was basically saying is that instead of bashing everything the WWE does and saying it sucks, we should give constructive critisism on how to make it better."

 

Why? Who is bashing "everything" about it? That's an ignorant overgeneralization by Matt. As is the idea that we only look for good matches. Most of us understand that the good, long matches should be only used once in a while on TV or on PPVs.

 

Then he says we're not in the business, we don't know any better, and therefore one can assume he's saying that constructive criticism is therefore pointless. What does he propose we do with this constructive criticism? Submit it to the WWE to be ignored? That's an extremely ignorant attitude Matt has right there. Plus he couldn't be much more vague about it, and tells us no specific examples.

 

What's the whole "working together" pablum about? When WWE got horrible people had to turn away to WCW to get it to improve. He's saying we should just keep watching and eat it up regardless of how poor quality some of the angles are. He made some weak excuses for the horrible, unsalvageable Lita pregnancy angle, and he didn't even bother to defend Smackdown and the non-existent Raw title feud. If he's willing to excuse the Lita angle, I wonder what he has to say to justify the other problems.

 

Funny thing--remember that Matt was punished for complaining to management about the way things were being run? I guess he learned his lesson and decided to just think positive.

 

"He wasn't saying 'You must think everything is good, and if you say otherwise you're stupid.' He even said the WWE aren't perfect. He said you can think something is no good, but look for the positives and think of ways to improve on it instead of just saying 'That sucks' and leaving it at that. I totally agree with him."

 

He said WWE is "great" right now and is the best wrestling company in the world. Bull.

 

I challenge you to name three...no, one way to save the Lita angle. I'm really interested in hearing it. How do you take an angle that started with Lita basically getting sexually harrassed and later raped to get Kane from beating Matt up, then have Lita getting knocked up, and turn it into anything watchable?

 

WWE has a tendency to create such insulting, illogical, dunderheaded angles that they're stillborn from the very moment of conception. WWE can't make this pregnancy angle any good. They can't make me buy into "killing" Paul Bearer. I don't see any justification for the Kane-Shane angle. I don't think there was a damn thing they could do to salvage the Kane/HHH disaster where HHH accused Kane of murder, necrophilia, and then humped his corpse. On a less extreme note--take a look at the Benoit-HHH angle--it's too late to do anything. They've already ruined the match and the feud because of the lack of build.

 

Some things are so insipid and unworthy of discussion that "it sucks" more than suffices, such as those extreme cases.

 

He didn't even bring up an example of a flawed but fixable angle that has a good deal of possibility. He picks a horrible example that completely undermines his whole argument.

 

"Now, not everyone, but by alot of you just bashing what he had to say and calling him another one of Vince McMahon's goons, you're proving what he said about the internet fanbase being negative."

 

He uses that ridiculous WWE terminology, completely disregards that plenty of us already praise aspects of show, disregards that there's almost ALWAYS something glaringly bad, and says we shouldn't criticize something that gets ratings.

 

Pardon me if I confuse him for being a Vince goon based upon that.

 

"He didn't bash internet fans, he simply asked us to try and make it a more positive environment. So how do we respond? With a bunch of negative feedback to what he said. Oye."

 

Since's he's refusing to make any concessions and admit that some things are definitely bad, I don't care to listen to him telling me it's raining while WWE is pissing on the fans. Even JR admitted Judgment Day sucked.

 

It's funny Matt didn't pick Eugene as an example, Orton as of late or Evolution in general, or Benoit's month before winning and after winning the title. We're not complaining about that.

 

It's funny he didn't pick Kenzo, Paul Bearer being buried in concrete, Spike Dudley's push over nearly all the other cruisers, Bradshaw and Holly's pushes, or Big Show trying to kill Angle to defend. He may as well if he was going to pick the Lita angle to defend.

 

Something in WWE almost always sucks. Some of us hate "sportz entertainment." So we're going to voice our disapproval. WWE isn't going to take it to heart anyway so Matt shouldn't be at all concerned at just how we voice it. However, Matt's enjoyment of shutting up and liking what's going on in WWE will certainly keep him at least employed for quite some time.

[AndrewTS 0]

Oh, and Quik's post is good n' all, too. Damn straight, Quik.

 

So shut yer cakehole, Matt, you damn hippy.

[haVoc 0]

As of this morning, myself and Kane were the most anticipated match on the show Sunday according to fan votes on WWE.com. Obviously, there is interest in our conflict that has people talking and watching.

 

The same voting process that wanted Test to be the new Evolution member and K-Kwik to lead the Alliance, right?

 

How can you argue with polls like this?

 

Which WWE Superstar would give hot dog eating champ Kobayashi the best challenge?

 

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Rosey 17.99 % 

Funaki 8.27 % 

Rikishi 30.23 % 

A-Train 4.65 % 

Sable 38.83 % 

 

Total Votes: 43504

[King Cucaracha 0]

Anyone see the irony here?

 

Matt was one of the smarks wet dreams recently. He's been called underrated on here many times. Loads of people on here have been moaning that he hasn't been pushed.

 

People insult his girlfriend ad nausem, so he gets pissed over it and writes an anti-internet rant, sticking up for his girlfriend (which, of course, he shouldn't do)

 

Suddenly, his music sucks, his look sucks and he sucks. Suddenly he's a tool.

 

 

Congratulations guys. You've just proved a lot of his points. Say something negative to the majority of internet fans and they'll get in a sulk and start a hate campaign against you. Jericho. Bradshaw. Flair. And now Matt.

 

Is it any fucking wonder wrestlers hate internet wrestling fans so much after comments like the ones in this thread?

[Twisted Intestine 0]

I challenge you to name three...no, one way to save the Lita angle. I'm really interested in hearing it. How do you take an angle that started with Lita basically getting sexually harrassed and later raped to get Kane from beating Matt up, then have Lita getting knocked up, and turn it into anything watchable?

Don't you see? It's already set up with Jeff Hardy's time traveller gimmick. Jeff travels to the past and stops Kane from sleeping with Lita.

 

See

 

You

 

In

 

The

 

Past

 

Yeah, just kidding. The angle sucks. I know that WWE has alot of shitty angles.. all I was really trying to say is I don't see how Matt's 'bashing' internet fans. All he's really doing is telling us to be positive about things (as hard is that is with WWE throwing us crap). I just don't think Matt should be turned into a bad guy over this.. it seems like he's only attempting to make piece.

[the pinjockey 0]

Anyone see the irony here?

That in a thread where people are complaining about Matt Hardy's generalization of internet fans, someone takes one post (and look at the source) and generalizes all of the posters in said thread.

 

I only saw one post it this thread, where the response to the article was "OMG, Matt Hardy SUX". As opposed to looking at the article and responding to that.

[King Cucaracha 0]

Yes, and my comments were directed to those people, not the entire board.

 

There's more than one post with anti-Matt vibes. For example...

 

Well, since Matt has a knee injury going into their match, maybe Kane can do something really cool in their no DQ match to take Matt the fuck out.

 

I probably should have been clearer over the last point in my post...

 

"Is it any fucking wonder wrestlers hate internet wrestling fans so much after comments like some of the ones in this thread?"

 

...would have been better.

[AndrewTS 0]

Like when Jericho read one negative comment on the Torch and flipped out?

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Say something negative to the majority of internet fans and they'll get in a sulk and start a hate campaign against you. Jericho. Bradshaw. Flair. And now Matt.

I'm pretty sure Bradshaw was hated well before he came out against 'net fans.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I actually with him there for a bit. He even used the phrase "internet wrestling community" and while I don't really think we as a whole are a community (and if we are, we have a lot of retards that I'd like to publically shun immediately) so it seemed he understood what he was talking about. A change from Bradshaw and the others.

 

 

But then suddently he channeled JBL with that "you don't know half of this business until you've toured with us" bullshit that seems to become a de-facto standard in all these online columns. This thinking says that Roger Ebert has no right to critique movies until he's tried to direct one himself.

 

Lastly, to me it seemed to really be targeting Scott Keith. Keith has his own little ratings systems and parrots who take what he says as gold and demand he rate this or that so that they can find out if something is good or bad without forming their own opinions. He has so many of those parrots that Keith Haterizing has quickly become the fad of the new millenium. Keith also seems to only care for wrestling match followed by wrestling match, and only really seems to pay minimal attention to the buildup leading to a match.

 

Then again, at the same time, while I'm liable to walk out of the room if a match doesn't interest or thrill me (in my mark years I never used to watch any match other than the main event unless it was PPV), I can't say that stuff like the Raw Diva Search is really doing it for me, either.

 

So while the intent is fine by me because Keith reviews have a lot of problems, not the least of which is that every match is slanted to his pre-conceived notion of every wrestler, I wish he wouldn't spite all of us at the same time because of it.

[jester 0]

What I dislike about these articles (beyond them saying the same thing over and over again) is that they never acknowledge "positivity," to use Matt's term.

 

I've seen a lot of positive threads about the Eugene angle, and even about HHH's involvement, despite him usually being Smark Enemy #1. I've even seen people who swore the angle would suck admit they were wrong.

 

The point is, if we see something we like, many of us DO praise it. And even in the shittiest of shows, there's usually something somewhere to like, even if its minor. Hell, WCW had its defenders even in its darkest days.

 

And when we do praise something, where are the WWE articles acknowledging this? I'm not saying that I want a personal thank-you note from Vince for liking Eugene, but an article thanking the fans for being enthusiastic about something would go a long way to closing the gap between WWE and Internet fans.

 

The bottom line is that when they come up with a crap angle that they love and we don't, it's our fault.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

Matt isn't "told to" say this, and this isn't a WWE.com writer posing as Hardy; this is what 99% of all wrestlers think. Wrestlers, inherently, look down on the fans -the marks- so whenever the fans look down on them all-of-a-sudden it's because there is something wrong with us. Yes, it is OUR FAULT that they're running what is essentially a RAPE ANGLE where we are to believe that Kane forced Lita to have sex and now she is pregnant. Shouldn't the law be involved in this? I mean, its being portrayed on Television and a woman was threatened into sex, so shouldn't this be looked into by the cops? This is insulting to our intelligence, but apparently we can't say that because we don't know anything about the business and we don't run our own promotions.

 

How dare we -the fans- comment on such things? The outrage! We are totally ungrateful for the sacrifices they make. All we do is give them our time and our money and our attention; we don't deserve to say our opinion - well, unless its either sugar-coated or complementary. "Don't think like that... think like this!" is what Hardy is saying, and it's disgusting.

 

It's OUR FAULT for being negative. It's not the constant insults hurled at us both on television in the form of plot holes and degrading storylines, and on-line in Hardy, Bradshaw, Prichard etc. reminding us how small we are - why should we be negative because of that? It's because of those evil Internet Writers whom we blindly follow and our own closed-minded, "one-dimensional" nature (but Hardy is not insulting us... oh no. He's being polite.)

 

Fuck Matt Hardy. Fuck the WWE. Until they stop making this "The WWE vs. The Internet", until they stop seeing us as adversaries, and until they see where WE are coming from in regards to their OWN shitty programming, then there will always be crap like this. And you know what? It will NEVER stop. And it's not because we are negative; it's because they see us as marks and therefore we are to be "worked", and if they're not working us -if we aren't buying their shit- then it's because we're jaded and bitter and cynical and not because they can't get us to believe in the work. Because they think they are holding up their end of the bargain. They think they are putting out the "quality" feuds, matches, and storylines - and if you had insanely low standards and saw the fans as idiots, then I guess it would be "quality". They will never see it's their fault, because the only people being worked is them.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Nicely put..

[The Buzz 0]

Smarks = WWE

 

 

If you need further explanation I can break it down. Both suck.

[Guest Repo Man Reborn]

Memo to Matt:

 

They are just words. Until Vince begins to dole out the paychecks according to who we like, shut the F up and do your job.

 

I think your girlfriend throws a punch like her hand was tied to a boulder.

I also think she looks like your brother.

 

My opinion means little to Vince and it should mean even less to you.

 

So stop posting letters on how we should be more positive and do your best to try to make something out of the crap angle you have been dealt.

 

 

Sincerely,

 

A smark

[notJames 0]

I don't understand how people can say, "If you're going to criticize, maybe you should think of some ways to make the product better." That's not the job of the fan. We as an audience have every right to shit all over what we don't deem entertaining. It's the people who are putting out the product that are charged with responsibility of improving it. The whole "shut up and like it" mentality is demeaning and patronizing, and is indicative of a company that refuses to understand the problems with their product, let alone do something about it.

 

And not for nothing, but no matter how much you candy-coat the sport (notice how they always refer to it as a "business" and not a "sport"), pro wrestling is still a seedy underhanded business knee-deep in politicking and palm-greasing, where even the most talented of the bunch are overshadowed by those with more pull and influence. Try finding positivity in that.

[Guest Loss]

Ok, but here's the deal.

 

If you're a fan, you are *not* required or expected to make suggestions. But if you're talking about WWE as a business, which most of us are typically doing when we discuss who they should and shouldn't push, you need to understand how the business actually works and put aside your fanboy biases. It astonishes me that so many of you think that Matt Hardy being a wrestler *doesn't* make him more knowledgable of the inner workings of wrestling than us. He is. And it's important to keep it in perpsective.

 

I thought Jericho's rant a couple of years ago was asinine. Bradshaw's tripe typically is as well. This was different. Matt Hardy was trying to be balanced here, and he was bashed for it. There are people who are blindly negative online. He was attacking _those_ people. He never once generalized. "The majority" isn't even a gross generalization in this case, because he didn't say "all". He also said "portions" of the online community without attacking everyone ... blindly.

 

Bottom line, if you're on here to say what you did or didn't like on each show as a fan, I don't think you're obligated to suggest an alternative. But if you're on here to critique who they push, the storylines we see on TV and the backstage politics, then yes, if you can't offer any type of alternative with your whining, then you're not in a position to criticize the company.

 

I will continue to be critical of the company's current direction, but Matt Hardy wasn't talking to me, nor was he talking to anyone who is not blindly bashing every aspect of the product. At the same time, I try to be as well-informed as I can about how wrestling works before throwing out criticisms about what should be fixed.

 

I'd like to see more suggestions and less whining myself. And that doesn't mean I'm an anti-smark or that I'm attacking anyone. But a discussion on how WWE could improve would at least serve a purpose, even if it is to just prove how much smarter we are than they are.

[RavishingRickRudo 0]

How the hell is Matts column "balanced"?

[Guest The Ultimate Fantasy]

He said the same thing as Bradshaw but without calling us fat?