Cache of child porn found at seminary

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

Insurance? Oh man. That's the cubicle-est of the cubicles. Do you at least get to go take photos of tragic wrecks and burned down houses and shit?

 

There seems to be a lot more child molestation and underage pornography among church officials than there are in insurance companies. Maybe the church should consider letting priests get married and raise families like normal people, instead of having them confine themselves around men and boys all the time. Same thing happened to the Spartans, and in prisons, and look how they ended up.

[Guest Fook]

It published several images purportedly showing young priests and their instructors kissing and fondling each other, and said others showed them engaging in orgies and sex games. The child porn came mostly from Web sites based in Poland, the magazine said.

 

The magazines published the pictures?!

[Guest INXS]

What is it with young black males and committing crimes? At home do they get taught that it's ok or something? Were the criminals victims as boys thus creating a circle of crime? Some independent investigating needs doing here.

 

What is it with Jews and working at banks? At home do they get taught that it's ok or something? Were the bankers exposed to banks as boys thus creating a circle of banking? Some independent investigating needs doing here.

 

This is fun -- everyone should try it...

Hmm..discuss the actual point or chime in with an irrelevant sarcastic remark or two....just like Mike and that other guy in this thread...you're not even reading what I posted.

 

The Catholic church is now becoming notorious for child abuse. That DOES NOT MEAN THAT ALL PRIESTS ARE ABUSERS just like it doesn't mean that all Jews are bankers or that all young black males go out and rob people. My point has always been that this is a problem within the Catholic church - to explain a little clearer for you, compare it to say..protestant vicars. How many protestant vicars are caught with their pants down with young boys compared to how many Catholic priests are at it? You can see that it's a specific problem (but not limited to) within the Catholic church.

 

In my previous posts I was looking at what could be the causes of the abuse - as there has to be a reason why it seems that quite a lot of priests seem to enjoy the company of young men. Obviously, the fact that they aren't allowed to get married and, I believe, aren't allowed any sexual contact with anyone could be a factor. Another factor, which I suggested earlier, is that it is a cycle of abuse. The current abusers were perhaps abused themselves as boys in the church, and before that their abusers were possibly abused.

 

Criticizing my thoughts on this is really sweeping the problem under the carpet as it IS a problem.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

you're not even reading what I posted.

I don't read/don't take seriously what you post? Really?...

[Spicy McHaggis 0]

If they knew about the abuses and kept silent then they are equally as culpable as the abusers themselves.

Zsasz is referring to Catholics unaware of any abuse.

 

Personal faith and prayer people. Remember, god is suppose to be all seeing so you don't need to go into a building once a week to appease the almighty.

While I partly agree with that, you need to be careful of worshipping your own ego. Knowing a priest is the best way to avoid that, imo. Also, Catholics believe they're actually receiving the body and blood of Christ, so an informed Catholic really doesn't think of it as appeasing God. If I don't want to go, I don't... but sometimes I feel like I need to...

 

INXS, celibacy has NOTHING to do with pedophilia, child molestation, and rape. It has something to do with phebophilia and consensual sex, because they both deal with willing partners and actually are about sex. Pedophiles are both married & unmarried, celibate & not, at roughly the same rate. The female, jr. high teacher is married.

[Guest INXS]

INXS, celibacy has NOTHING to do with pedophilia, child molestation, and rape. It has something to do with phebophilia and consensual sex, because they both deal with willing partners and actually are about sex. Pedophiles are both married & unmarried, celibate & not, at roughly the same rate. The female, jr. high teacher is married.

I am fully aware that pedophiles aren't restricted to one group of people i.e those that are celibate. I never said that all pedophilia was caused by someone being celibate - though it may apply in the case of Catholic priests.

 

What's with twisting my words on here! That's twice now in this thread alone!

 

Great sig by the way...

[Highland 0]

No where in the Scriptures is it stated that celibacy is required amonst the clergy, it is strictly a Catholic tradition instituted centuries after Christ and one that should be done away with.

[Vyce 0]

I never said that all pedophilia was caused by someone being celibate - though it may apply in the case of Catholic priests.

......how so?

 

I mean, abnormal psychology doesn't work that way. If you're take a vow of chastity, it doesn't make you suddenly crave young boy ass - you have to be already so inclined. The reason there are so many pedophiles in the clergy is because pedophiles usually are "smart" about their perversion and realize that being in the clergy a) grants them some amount of protection and b) allows them to get into a relationship of trust with the community, which they can then use towards victimizing people.

 

Oh, BTW - your sig is a corruption of all that is good and wonderful about Spider-Man.

[Guest INXS]

I totally agree with your thoughts regarding the protection and relationship of trust element.

 

I guess what i'm trying to say is if they are celibate they are going to need some outlet for their sexual needs - and if they are only around young boys a lot of the time - well.. I liken it to prison life - men locked up for years on end often turn to homosexuality to fulfill their sexual needs.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

Bishop Kurt Krenn, who oversees the diocese, refused to step down, however, dismissing the images as a "childish prank."

 

I don't know if referring to them as CHILDish prank is the right move. Idiot.

[Guest TheZsaszHorsemen]

If they knew about the abuses and kept silent then they are equally as culpable as the abusers themselves.

Yeah, but the vast, VAST majority of Catholics didn't know, so what's your point?

[Vyce 0]

I totally agree with your thoughts regarding the protection and relationship of trust element.

 

I guess what i'm trying to say is if they are celibate they are going to need some outlet for their sexual needs - and if they are only around young boys a lot of the time - well.. I liken it to prison life - men locked up for years on end often turn to homosexuality to fulfill their sexual needs.

Pedophilia doesn't work that way, though. It's a psychosis. If the priests were turning gay, as in having homosexual relationships with other ADULT males, because that's all they were around, then maybe I'd agree to your point.

 

But again, that's not how pedophilia works. You have to have that particular mental illness, you can't just acquire it. Assuming you're straight - if you were around nothing but 10 year old girls all day long, every day of the week - I doubt that you'd suddenly develop the urge to grope one of them, no matter how sex-deprived you become.

 

I don't absolve the priests, of course. I think that if there is any justice in this life, they'll all be burning in hell for all eternity for their sins and for causing so much pain and anguish to not only their victims but to the true Catholics who honestly try to live a life of righteousness.

[Highland 0]

Frequent abuses occuring for decades and the vast majority of people didn't know? Well, the Bishops certainly knew, in fact they've become very adept at sweeping such problems under the rug.

And I'm not talking about the lay worshippers, I'm talking about the Priesthood; you can't tell me that even one of them was completely oblivious to the actions of the pedophiles they worked and lived with everyday.

[Guest PlatinumBoy]

People who do this shit need to get kicked out of the Church, excommunicated, etc. I'm Catholic, and my Mom's Mom's side of the family is Italian, and I'm friends with tons of hardcore Catholic Hispanic guys. The reason I bring this up, is if you want to see TRUE Catholicism, if you want to see how religion REALLY can bring people up and stuff, check out Italy or Latin America. It does suck for Catholics, as the AJC--the GREAT newspaper it is (sarcasm intented)--ran on the same day an editorial about how we can't blame Islam at all for terrorism, and then a political cartoon saying the true Trinity for Catholics is something like Greed, Abuse, etc. etc.

 

I've had people call me out for being Catholic and openly say HORRIBLE shit--for example I had an RA Freshmen year of college who was a total ass and hated by all, but was Jewish and thought that meant he could say anything he wanted about anyone and was openly racist towards many, including me. People already think some false stuff about the Church, but this shit just pisses me off as it makes our whole religion look bad.

 

To finish--LET PRIESTS MARRY--I forget which branch of Christianity it is, but the Church recently brought in another sect and if you were married, you stayed married--for the priests of course. It's almost a sigh of relief that many of my Churches' priests are married.

 

Also, anyone defending this shit in the Church needs to go, just like anyone saying the whole Church is bad also is a dumbass.

[Guest BDC]

Episcopal (sp?) priests are allowed to marry.

 

The old thought is that a marriage would detract from the priests' pursuit of purity and holiness. Honestly, that's one of the few vestiges of hte Middle Ages that people adhere to.

 

C'mon, let priests get married. It's not BAD. But then, I'm willing to bet the fear is of priests getting divorced, which is also bad.

[Guest TheJewof2001]

Reason number 67 to become Jewish.

 

Seriously, I can't stand this kind of stuff. The Catholic Church needs to STEP UP to the plate and end this shit. Just let the damn Fathers marry.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Too bad there are a lot more reasons not to become Jewish.

 

Although the whole "owning the media" thing sounds pretty appealing to me...

[2GOLD 0]

Hate to break it to some people, but some of the priests who have committed these acts WERE married. Marriage isn't going to change a damn thing at all about what is happening.

 

If you honestly believe that these monsters who do this WON'T do it because they have a wife, you are really fooling yourselves. The marriage issue ISN'T the problem, hell if the priests wanted they could be riding a lot of the females in the church without problem (some women find preachers hot).

 

You have the wrong people as priests, that's the real problem. It has nothing to do with marriage.

 

That's another bubble that needs to burst, that only single gay men commit these acts. The guy could be married, have sex with his wife once an hour when he's home and he'll STILL do this to a young boy in the church. Them not getting sex is a cop out.

[Guest Xias]

Too bad there are a lot more reasons not to become Jewish.

 

Although the whole "owning the media" thing sounds pretty appealing to me...

Yeah, that Fox News Channel, really pushes that Jewish agenda.

 

-Xias