Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I was thinking about RAW last night, now was the whole Flair calling him a joke just a way to pimp Flair's book and piss off Foley? Or perhaps it could be more: Think about it, Shane Helms is (compared to Batista and Orton) a vetren and a former champion with a strong WCW background and not only that but Helms now has reason to turn heel and a personal hatred towards Flair. Perhaps he could join the new Orton-led Evolution? If they make it more D-X like he could be X-Pac (the small and cocky super loya second in command). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BHK 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I'd support a repackaged Helms if it meant he got TV time/used more often. I'm not sure what to do with him, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 Maybe he could jump and beat the shit out of Flair in Flair Country? Then along with Orton and Batista denounces all so-called "legends" (sadly HHH would be included) and Orton's Evolution could be NWO or D-X like instead of Four Horsemen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 13, 2004 They seem to have planted the seeds for a gimmick change for Hurricane. Having Helms as a cocky heel would be great. An Evolution consisting of Orton, Batista, Dinsmore, and Helms would be a very good stable, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I've been thinking this for ages, and just mentioned it to someone in a PM. Helms going heel and being the cocky youngster is a perfect fit for an Orton led Evolution when/if that turn happens. I say Orton, Batista, Helms and Maven would comprise it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I'm all for a character change as the Hurricane character's been treated as a joke for the past couple of years. The only problem is if he turns heel, either Rosey has to turn with him, which I don't think would work if they're going to have Helms join an Orton-led stable, or have a feud with Helms, which again wouldn't work because no one would buy Helms as a physical threat to Rosey. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zack Malibu 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I'm all for a character change as the Hurricane character's been treated as a joke for the past couple of years. The only problem is if he turns heel, either Rosey has to turn with him, which I don't think would work if they're going to have Helms join an Orton-led stable, or have a feud with Helms, which again wouldn't work because no one would buy Helms as a physical threat to Rosey. If Big Dave is still hanging with Randy at this point, just have Rosey get in Helms' face, and Shane/Gregory/whatever hides behind Batista, siccing him on Rosey. Dave demolishes him for Shane/Gregory/whatever, and those two could have a nice instigator/intimidator dynamic as a tag team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spaceman Spiff 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 which again wouldn't work because no one would buy Helms as a physical threat to Rosey. Which is why he would cheat/get outside interference, like all good little heels. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I've been thinking this for ages, and just mentioned it to someone in a PM. Helms going heel and being the cocky youngster is a perfect fit for an Orton led Evolution when/if that turn happens. I say Orton, Batista, Helms and Maven would comprise it. I'm not so sure Maven would be a good fit with Evolution. Remember Orton's "you people" comment towards Shelton Benjamin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest webmasterofwrestlegame Report post Posted July 13, 2004 All this may sound good because you like Helms as a wrestler or whatever, but the guy has been the friggin HURRICANE for a good few years. People will not take him seriously and if WWE go down the route of having him beat everyone that is still hit and miss and it is unpredictable as to how the fans will react long-term. Leave him as a loveable jobber - he also fulfils an important component of the house show circuit as the 'fun' guy that can be used to open up cards - a bit like Rikishi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I think the next Natural Born Thrillers should be Gregory Helms, Shelton Benjamin, Batista, Eugene. Batista could be the spokesman for the group, Helms & Eugene the tag team, and Shelton as the midcard champ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kizzo 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I'm not so sure Maven would be a good fit with Evolution. Remember Orton's "you people" comment towards Shelton Benjamin? Randy Orton was playing a heel.... I think Maven would make a perfect fit...in a Randy Orton lead Evolution....Maven's race should not even matter... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Quik Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I think it's hilarious how people even bother mentioning Eugene or DInsmore in a stable. He'll always be a retard... there's no wa yin hell they can change his gimmick. It's all over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I've been thinking this for ages, and just mentioned it to someone in a PM. Helms going heel and being the cocky youngster is a perfect fit for an Orton led Evolution when/if that turn happens. I say Orton, Batista, Helms and Maven would comprise it. I'm not so sure Maven would be a good fit with Evolution. Remember Orton's "you people" comment towards Shelton Benjamin? Orton could say he made the "You People" comment because of either Flair or HHH but although Maven good, I think it would be better if they added a tag team either (La Restiance or a team from OVW) like HHH did with the New Age Outlaws or if they kept it similar to the first D-X with Orton being a hybrid between HHH and HBK (the cocky and over champ), Helms being like HHH/X-Pac (the experianced but over-shadowed second) and Batista being either Rick Rude or Chyna (the enforcer). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I think it's hilarious how people even bother mentioning Eugene or DInsmore in a stable. He'll always be a retard... there's no wa yin hell they can change his gimmick. It's all over. All it would take is for him to jump J.R is Okalahoma and talk about how everyone is a bunch of idiots for believing him. Heck if the WWE wanted to they could have Cornette do a promo about how in OVW Dinsmore was the equitant to HHH, having stabbed his friends in the back several times and led a Evolution like stable called the Revolution, maybe even mention how desperate Eugene was to get into the WWE, since he was there for at least five years and everyone got a shot besides him. Add a person who has push (either Bischoff or a "OVW friend" like Orton) a sprinkle of "BAH GOD EUGENE SOLD HIS SOUL TO THE DEVIL" and ta da insta heel. The only flaw would be a legitimate reason. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 ^ have The Bashems, Batista, Eugene managed by Cornette? Go with that angle of they sold their soul to be in WWE but all they got was bad gimmicks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 ^ have The Bashems, Batista, Eugene managed by Cornette? Go with that angle of they sold their soul to be in WWE but all they got was bad gimmicks? Woah that would actually be very cool (sans Batista because he was a demon), since I think either one or both of the Bashems were part of the Revolution, maybe a OVW vs RAW feud led by Cornette? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 13, 2004 To get back on topic that stable can feud with Gregory Helm's team of midcarders (Val Venis, Rhyno, Tajiri) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 13, 2004 To get back on topic that stable can feud with Gregory Helm's team of midcarders (Val Venis, Rhyno, Tajiri) Tecnicaly the topic is about Hurricane joining Evolution when Orton breaks up with HHH, but if it's a Helms-lead stable can it have Al Snow and be called Job Squad 04? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Real F'n Show Report post Posted July 13, 2004 Orton (leader), Helms (half of tag team), Christian (other half), and Batista (enforcer) would be a cool bad ass stable. Plus none of them are old or retarded (well maybe Orton...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted July 13, 2004 Getting rid of the Hurricane gimmick is losing money on merchandise of his that actually sells. That's why they never put the Hardy Boyz under masks or any shit like that, because they make money for the company. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I'm not so sure Maven would be a good fit with Evolution. Remember Orton's "you people" comment towards Shelton Benjamin? Randy Orton was playing a heel.... Obviously. I think Maven would make a perfect fit...in a Randy Orton lead Evolution....Maven's race should not even matter... I'm not so sure. It lacks internal consistency. Yes, I know WWE isn't known for its great continuity, but both Triple H AND Orton have made obvious racist statements in the past. Maven still hasn't gotten rid of the "Tough Enough winner" stigma either. He'll need to do that before anyone takes him seriously. MAYBE it would work if they had Orton explain his comments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Reservoir_Kitty Report post Posted July 13, 2004 I really like the Hurricane gimmick, but I really think it's time for them to just give it up. I'm sure it's really frustrating for Helms to be stuck in a gimmick that's fun but really not going to take him anywhere. Besides, it's pretty stupid to be called a "superhero" if you can't win any damn matches. Placing Helms in a younger stable like suggested throughout the thread is a solid idea, I think. It'll just take some time for the fans to get used to the unmasked and heel Helms. I'd like it, seeing Helms is usually a high point for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Staravenger Report post Posted July 14, 2004 What is really interesting about Shane Helms unmasked? In his first few months in WWE, he looked like a complete jobber because of his bland look...and for the fact he's like 5'10" and 200 pounds soaking wet. At least as The Hurricane he stands out from the rest instead of being Jobber in Speedo #41. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2004 Randy Orton does not have good enough promo/interview skills to be a leader of a stable, I would rather see Batista as leader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2004 Batista? Since when does he have any promo/interview abilities? Orton would make a fine leader to a young group. But that's the key obviously: the group has to be all young guys. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2004 I just don't see a coward heel as a leader of a stable. Orton still has the awkward pauses and has no idea what to do when someone goes of the script if you will. Randy will stand there look confused or surprise in awe and take a verbal assault from the other wrestler. Randy Orton is not a quick witted promo/interview speaker and that is the primary reason why he should not be the leader of any stable in the near future. Maybe in a year or 2 he will have those skills but now he is still learning how to work the mic. Now Batista has the look of a scary monster and is a dapper dan in a suit who can also rock the designer sunglasses. Months ago as the enforcer of the group Batista would put fear in the minds of his opponets. Batista has the ability to string multiply words together while Orton has the nervous pause reflex "um....er....I'm the legend killer" which is a joke. Batista has not has many chances to speak on tv but when he does he gets his point across. Randy Orton would go 5 minutes or more in his monotone yet "I'm confidently intense" voice trying too hard to be something that he is not. Now its not Randy Orton's fault that he is a slow learner or the fact that the person(s) who teach promo/interview skills are not helping at all. Batista? Since when does he have any promo/interview abilities? Sorry but I'm not good with dates Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2004 The best part of a Helms hell turn would be the next time the Rock makes an appearance. A babyface Rock and heel Helms face-to-face spot would be gold, and it could all tie in at the end with Orton coming out for a beatdown as revenge for when he confronted Rock a few weeks ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
notJames 0 Report post Posted July 14, 2004 Helms was on RAW because it was his birthday. I'm sure jobbing to Flair was just some sort of weird gift that only those in the "business" would understand. Don't count on a super push for the Hurricane any time soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Ultimate Fantasy Report post Posted July 14, 2004 Batista as leader? Why would a guy who as destrutive and physically intimidating as Batista create a stable in order to beat up someone like HHH? That would be like Kane gaining allies to beat Matt Hardy. The basis of a heel stable is that a heel either needs to dominate and gain titles or is a coward at heart and needs a heel stable in order to crush someone like HHH during the Big Booty Daddy fued, HHH with Flair could not stop Freakzilla and so they gained others to in order to protect the title. Maybe Batista could be the guy stuck in the middle? Since he's loyal to Flair and friends with Batista. I think Evolution 2 should have Orton, Batista, Hurricane, and either The Red Hot Garrison Cade or Maven. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
