NoCalMike 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Parcells has always been a huge fan of Testaverde. Whether these drug test results came around or not, I'm sure Parcells would have found some reason to dump Carter before the beginning of the season. It's obvious he'd much rather have Vinny as the starting quarterback - even if the play quality of the Cowboys may suffer as a result. yeah considering at age 40 he sounds like a viable option. Even though Quincy is subpar at best, he was still the best option for the Cowboys as a starter out of the three they had. Now they will have an over the hill vetern who is planted in the pocket. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Good Bye Quincy Carter has always been over rated because he was said to be good with making plays on his feet. I never really saw that in any cowboys games I ever saw him play in. Parcells knew Carter would screw up and at the first sign of a screw up Carter would be shipped out of town. With Testaverde teaching Hensen the cowboys are in good shape for the future. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Carter has always been over rated because he was said to be good with making plays on his feet. I never really saw that in any cowboys games I ever saw him play in. I never saw it either. When he was on his feet out of the pocket is when he threw most of his interceptions so I have no idea what the hell people were thinking when they said that. With Testaverde teaching Hensen the cowboys are in good shape for the future. I'm not so sure about that. I can't help thinking he'll be Chad Hutchinson V 2.0. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Drew Hensen is as much the "real deal" as Ryan Leaf. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Drew Hensen, however, wasn't the 2nd pick of the draft like Ryan Leaf. Nor is he being asked to produce all of the offense for his team. That Chargers team had these options for offense Natrone Means, a young Freddie Jones, Terrell Fletcher, and Charlie Jones. Not to take anything away from Natrone Means but those are the best players I want in my offense. Dallas atleast has some legit options in Eddie George and Keyshawn Johnson. The likely hood of Drew Hensen being the next Ryan Leaf is highly unlikely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Precious Roy 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 If I'm a Cowboys fan I'm not thrilled with the idea of Vinny as the starter. It's inevitable that he won't play in all 16 games so that leaves a guy who's never played pro football and Tony Romo. I bet Romo gets in before Henson, I know Parcells doesn't want to throw him to the wolves. The plus for Vinny is that they look to have a semi-dependable ground attack and Keyshawn is a much better short-mid range reciever than long threat which plays to Vinny's strengths. The guy can't throw the long ball anymore, which will hurt Glenn's effectiveness. I feel bad for Carter, but it's his own damn fault, he should have been smarter than that. He'll get a second chance somewhere though,no doubt about that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Guess drug use is only ok when it's LT or Micheal Irvin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Vinny as their starting QB? Did Parecell's see how the Jets did under Vinny for their first 7-8 games? Did he notice how much the team improved once Pennington resumed control of the offense? Man, if the Cowboys still pull through having NO offense, I'll gladly call Parcells a genius. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Happy Medium 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Poor, Quincy...he almost started to grow on me last year. I'd go with Chad Hutchinson over Vinny at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Fuck With Keyshawn and the Jones/George rushing attck, the Cowboys had what the didn't last year, a rushing attck and a reciver to move the chains consistantly. Vinny sucked last year for the Jets, and there is nothing to suggest he will any better this year for the Cowboys. I'll say it again, Fuck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Vitamin X Report post Posted August 5, 2004 The likely hood of Drew Hensen being the next Ryan Leaf is highly unlikely. Agreed, but I think it's more of a character issue than Leaf being a terrible player on a terrible team. Leaf had a hell of an arm and could've been a tremendous pocket passer, but his ego rubbed everyone the wrong way and when he started getting into confrontation after confrontation, after controversy, noone wanted to give the kid a shot, and he basically gave up instead of maturing and getting his act together. I think this year we'll see the Redskins sweep the Cowboys. Now we'll see all the anti-Quincies react when the alternative options try and show up. I thought Carter was a young, promising quarterback who was still developing, but whatever ruined his chances, he's done for. I guess it's time for the patented "second chance with another team leads to glory" story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted August 5, 2004 In ESPN (videogame) I traded Kerry Collins to the Steelers for Roethlisberger (they took it straight up) and Rich Gannon, Barret Robbins, and Tyrone Wheatley for Ricky Williams. After this I recognized I needed another QB, and thus, I picked up Quincy Carter for next to nothing. THUS If the Raiders (hopefully and rightfully) decide to part ways with Rich Gannon, they should get Carter. He did show signs of being a fairly decent QB, and if Collins doesn't pan out, he wouldn't be a terrible fall back plan. All cocaine stories aside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Salacious Crumb Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Why does anyone think George is going to suddenly improve the rushing attack? He had a weaker YPC than Hambrick did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted August 5, 2004 Poor, Quincy...he almost started to grow on me last year. I'd go with Chad Hutchinson over Vinny at this point. Hutchinson is gone. The remaining QBs are Vinny, Henson, Romo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Markme123 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Guess drug use is only ok when it's LT or Micheal Irvin. Yeah. Basically. I mean, Bill Parcells is Bill Parcells. He is out there to win championships and will do anything in his power to get there. The obvious difference between LT and Irvin compared to Carter is that they are actually great, irreplaceable players still played great on Sunday in the mist of all the drugs. Let's be realistic: Bill only released Quincy because he wasn't getting it done, not because he was concerned about his health or because he failed a team drug test. If Taylor had failed a drug test just like Carter he would still be on the team because he was such a tremendous asset to his team, whereas Quincy wasn't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krankor 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 I acutally wouldn't rule Carter out in going to the Raiders because Al Davis has a history of liking players with baggage. I'm not sure exactly where Carter stands with the leauge in terms of the substance abuse policies they have in place. So that will be a factor for Davis to consider. IF George is healthy all year he'll put up generic to decent numbers, but that is a big IF. Hambrick I always thought was a promising young Running Back who has shown flashes of being great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Why does anyone think George is going to suddenly improve the rushing attack? He had a weaker YPC than Hambrick did. With injuries. Frankly, anything is better than a power back that refuses to accept he is a power back. Hambrick and Dayne are basically the same type, they refused to accept what kind of backs they would be in the NFL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfaJack 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Guess drug use is only ok when it's LT or Micheal Irvin. The difference is you're talking about two Hall of Fame players here. Quincy Carter shouldn't be compared in any way to either of those guys, except for the drug thing. It's not even close. Hambrick and Dayne are basically the same type, they refused to accept what kind of backs they would be in the NFL. Both guys just suck, period. It doesn't matter what kind of back they are or think they are...they just suck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Guess drug use is only ok when it's LT or Micheal Irvin. The difference is you're talking about two Hall of Fame players here. Quincy Carter shouldn't be compared in any way to either of those guys, except for the drug thing. It's not even close. Hambrick and Dayne are basically the same type, they refused to accept what kind of backs they would be in the NFL. Both guys just suck, period. It doesn't matter what kind of back they are or think they are...they just suck. I'm not comparing Carter to LT or Irvin on the field. It's simply the off field issues. MM pretty much addressed the points i wanted to make. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Winter Of My Discontent Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Eddie George is beaten and broken down. Especially now without much of a passing game, he is going to be given a heavy load. I mean, the Cowboys have decent receivers, its just I don't necessarily trust Vinnie to deliver it to them. Hambrick must be resigned to the fact that he isn't a number one back, as it looks like he signed on to a Raiders squad where he'll most likely be a 3rd stringer and special teams. Wheatley will likely be the starter with either Amos or Fargas backing him up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vern Gagne 0 Report post Posted August 6, 2004 Just how good is the Cowboys o-line? George was frankly bad last year on an above average Titans line. With no real QB to rely, it could be a long year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Redhawk Report post Posted August 6, 2004 I'm getting real sick of the media -- and Sean Salisbury, in particular -- making this all about Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones. Fuck Bill Parcells and fuck Jerry Jones. Parcells' hypocrite ass looked the other way for years when Lawrence Tayler was on fucking crack-cocaine. So long as LT got those 15 sacks per year, Parcells wasn't concerned about what that man put up his nose. And Jerry Jones sat back while Michael Irvin, Erick Williams, Nate Newton and all those other guys were doing drugs. But so long as they won Super Bowls, he didn't care. Then Salisbury is on ESPN saying, "This won't divide the Cowboys lockerroom because Bill Parcells won't allow it." Like Parcells controls the emotions of grown-ass men. Salisbury is one of the many people who think Parcells can do no wrong, how of course he made the right decision and how "I'm sure it was tough on him" and all of that. Please. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted August 7, 2004 Sean Salisbury will be off this ranting about Parcells and Jones once the ESPN crew arrives at Titans camp Share this post Link to post Share on other sites