I hate Toronto

[Guest GreatOne]

One other point, RAW and Smackdown weren't exactly on fire when Summerslam tix went on sale.

 

So either a)SD at least has improved since then so the 'they were making a statement about the current shitty product' goes out the window.

 

-or-

 

b)if they believe that the show was truly as shitty as it was two months ago, why the hell did they even buy tix? (these are "smart" fans mind you--or supposedly they are)

[Mr. S£im Citrus 0]

They booed the Bradshaw/Taker match for no reason at all. Instead of doing the wave, why not boo the person you feel doesn't deserve to be in this spot (Bradshaw) and cheer the Undertaker who's kicking some ass. But no, lets boo the Taker too, because we're bad asses.

I completely agree there. I understand that JBL/Taker wasn't the best choice for a WWE title match, and I also agree that JBL isn't the best WWE champ to come down the pike. But c'mon - can't you find something better to do than the fucking wave? Like them or not, JBL and Taker actually tried to have a good, solid match, and the fans had every intention of shitting on it well before they even got to the arena tonight.

The fans hated the idea of the feud. They hated the idea of two pieces of garbage wrestling each other on the third biggest ppv of the year, and were letting WWE know it. That is how a crowd that knows wrestling should react.

I do not care if guys work hard to entertain me, I want guys with actual talent to be in the main events.

At the risk of taking this thread off-track, when did Summerslam get demoted to the "third-biggest" PPV of the year? I've gotten the impression that the WWE has seen 'Slam as their #2 PPV behind 'Mania since forever (or at least since '90 or so).

[Guest Staravenger]

SD 2-3 months ago wasn't even watchable. At least now I'm enjoying JBL and most of the matches. So yeah, if it looked horrible back when tickets went on sale, why bother going?

[Guest TigerDriver91]

Speaking as someone who was actually there live to see the PPV at the ACC, I want to say that the crowd did not give a flying fuck about JBL. His entrance was DEAD SILENCE!! There was a big pop for Undertaker and fans really watched the match despite having fun doing the wave.

 

As far as Edge is concerned, he came out for his match to a mixture of booing and cheering. Where people get the idea that it was silent or quiet is beyond me unless it came across badly on live television.

 

And in defense of Canadian crowds... unlike your typical American sheep it is the crowds in Canada that chant for whoever they want and boo/cheer whoever they want. Some US cities are like that too so let's not forget the crowd crapping all over Brock-Goldberg and destroying any hope for a match that might have existed before the wrestlers even made their entrance.

 

And Canadians are not the first fans to chant Eugene sucks and certainly won't be the last.

[bob_barron 0]

At the risk of taking this thread off-track, when did Summerslam get demoted to the "third-biggest" PPV of the year? I've gotten the impression that the WWE has seen 'Slam as their #2 PPV behind 'Mania since forever (or at least since '90 or so)

Royal Rumble usually is #2 in terms of buyrates so I consider that the second biggest show of the year.

[bob_barron 0]

SD 2-3 months ago wasn't even watchable. At least now I'm enjoying JBL and most of the matches. So yeah, if it looked horrible back when tickets went on sale, why bother going?

Because it's SUMMERSLAM. It's a once in a life opportunity to see one of the biggest shows of the year. I wouldn't pass up the chance.

 

Just like how people blow their load over WM tickets regardless of how the product is

[Guest Staravenger]

And in defense of Canadian crowds... unlike your typical American sheep it is the crowds in Canada that chant for whoever they want and boo/cheer whoever they want. Some US cities are like that too so let's not forget the crowd crapping all over Brock-Goldberg and destroying any hope for a match that might have existed before the wrestlers even made their entrance.

...Ahem. Doing the wave is a perfect example of being a sheep. First people do it for a few rows. Then more people do it because others do it, and more until everyone does.

[Guest JMA]

I'm indifferent to Toronto. Even though I would be upset if I ordered the PPV, I most likely would get over it in a few days. In the end, they paid for the tickets and they can express themselves any way they want. While this sucks for people buying the PPV, it can't be helped. I'm not saying I agree with what the crowd did, but it doesn't really upset me. I'm certainly not going to condemn the entire city (or the entire country of Canada) because of one show.

 

As for JBL, I like the gimmick but I hate the way he was pushed as a main eventer so fast. I would love to watch him if he was holding the US Championship instead of the WWE Championship.

[bob_barron 0]

Doing the wave is a perfect example of being a sheep. First people do it for a few rows. Then more people do it because others do it, and more until everyone does.

 

What is your point exactly? The fans didn't care for the match and wanted to have fun.

 

So they did

[Guest smelly]

Wow Toronto now is the heel wwe crowd.

 

 

327-2

[Guest Staravenger]

Doing the wave is a perfect example of being a sheep. First people do it for a few rows. Then more people do it because others do it, and more until everyone does.

 

What is your point exactly? The fans didn't care for the match and wanted to have fun.

 

So they did

He said Americans are sheep. He just admited that the crowd, IN TORONTO (not America), did a wave, which is an act of a crowd full of sheep. I can either do a Pot. Kettle. Black joke or just not because it would be stupid.

[Guest GreatOne]

Plus the only time Eugene sucks was chanted was him against Benoit, not exactly equalling some wannabe cool crowd.

 

BTW smelly that's 331-2, thanks................

[bob_barron 0]

He was implying about the reactions to the wrestlers as not being sheep-not the way they reacted during the matches themselves

[Guest TigerDriver91]

And in defense of Canadian crowds... unlike your typical American sheep it is the crowds in Canada that chant for whoever they want and boo/cheer whoever they want. Some US cities are like that too so let's not forget the crowd crapping all over Brock-Goldberg and destroying any hope for a match that might have existed before the wrestlers even made their entrance.

...Ahem. Doing the wave is a perfect example of being a sheep. First people do it for a few rows. Then more people do it because others do it, and more until everyone does.

Well, unlike your average American crowd... we didn't start doing the wave because WWE fucking told us too.

 

[Guest Staravenger]

Edge's reactions then. In the beginning, he wasn't exactly getting face pops, but he wasn't booed either. As the match went on, more people started to boo instead of just small groups, and by the end of the match, almost everyone was booing him.

 

Thats a reaction to a wrestler where everyone decided to follow the original group and become sheep.

[Der Kommissar 0]

I am actually surprised this hasn't happened sooner. Considering how bad the WWE has been at various over the past few years, I half expected some crowd to totally turn on a show at some point. It's unfortunate it had to happen now because I think the WWE appears to at least being putting effort into making the show better. Unfortunately, they are paying the price for not really elevating anyone to superstar level over the past few years. Now, they have to scrape by with what they have, which is mostly rookies and midcarders for life. I can't fault the performers. Orton has improved over leaps and bounds since when I first saw him, and Bradshaw has definitely done more with his push that expected. Unfortunately, it's hard to look at the card and be terribly impressed with who's there. A rookie and Tag Team guy as the Champions walking out of Summer Slam? On the surface, that doesn't sound too exciting or make the WWE look as strong as did in past years.

 

As for the crowd, I can't exactly blame them. It was rather disrespectful, but is sitting there in silence any more respectful? I remember the Nassau Coliseum used to be so quiet during Raw that it was absolutely embarrassing. If they aren't having fun, why should they be expected to not do anything. They paid good money to go to this particular event. The WWE should be happy that they are at least passionate about it. At least they care enough to voice their displeasure. I'd rather have a fanbase who cares, then one who sits silent or doesn't go to the shows.

 

There is no depth to the characters. Why SHOULD the fans cheer Eugene and boo HHH?

 

A better example would be Randy Orton and Benoit. What has Orton really did that was so evil anyway? Beating up old guys? Holding the ropes or the tights when he has a pinfall? That's certainly not as evil as some of the stuff Triple H has done over the years. Randy Orton wins most of his matches fairly clean by today's standards. Unfortunately, screwy finishes have become so cliched that it is hard to get up too much hate for a guy who does fairly minor cheating. Heck, most of the heels won anyway, why not cheer for a winner?

[Promoter 0]

I'm going to have to second bob_barron. I went to the smackdown television taping this year that had Booker/UT as the main event. I will say that crowd was a totally different crowd than tonight. That crowd had the traditional wwe sheep(it was half the arena and I'm sure that some of these fans tonight bought summerslam tickets who did not attend that show based off it being summerslam). That is why I stated that this crowd could be just have been pissy towards what they got for SummerSlam. There's no denying some things they shat on before giving it a chance, but I think it's because they just did not expect to get what was given. Who really thought JBL would be wwe champion defending the title? I don't see how fans should get the blame. I also don't think the crowd was really ever dead silent. That is how it came off on television because the wwe dumbed down the crowd noise(was reported by Meltzer on LAW).

[Guest GreatOne]

Ah yes let's have sympathizers for the fans of TO that popped for Hulk Hogan with NO GOOD REASON tell us lowly Americans how big sheep we are, lovely............

[Guest Staravenger]

Ah yes let's have sympathizers of the city that popped for Hulk Hogan with NO GOOD REASON tell us lowly Americans how big sheep we are, lovely............

Let's not antagonize...we don't need an international argument of which country has bigger sheep (the one that made Brock Lesnar a star or the one that made Hogan a world title contender again in 2002)

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Besides, when you have these wrestlers in the ring working hard, and it looked to me like pretty much everyone was busting ass tonight, and then you as a fan shit all over it without giving anything a chance, it IS disrespectfull.

Fuck you.

 

I don't think anyone was shitting on the wrestlers so much as the booking.

 

Besides, night like tonight are a critical element to the return of the cool heel. Since 2002 McMahon has been feeding us elementry good/evil bullshit like he did in the Hulk Hogan era. This is why he never allows Rock to get cheered for being a bad guy anymore. This is why when crowds cheer a guy like Hollywood Hogan or the original cocky heel character of The Rock when it returned in 2003, it has to be immediately stopped and the person getting cheered must start kissing babies and helping little old ladies across the street.

 

I'm glad people cheered the guy who played mindfuck with the retard. McMahon has forgotten that most of us, if given the chance, would mindfuck the retard ourselves, and that's why we would encourage the guy who did it if given the oppertunity to cheer or boo him.

[Guest GreatOne]

Ah yes let's have sympathizers of the city that popped for Hulk Hogan with NO GOOD REASON tell us lowly Americans how big sheep we are, lovely............

Let's not antagonize...we don't need an international argument of which country has bigger sheep (the one that made Brock Lesnar a star or the one that made Hogan a world title contender again in 2002)

Hey at least with Brock he had just destroyed Hogan like he was nothing and ran through everybody else. Besides NY/LI has a reputation for knowing who's 'got it'. Hogan 'had it'?

[Guest Staravenger]

Wait, let me change my phrase, because I actually didn't mind Brock beating The Rock, but he wasn't over yet for the main events.

 

I'll just say the country that was responsible for...I got nothing really. I'll just say the country that was responsible for Eugene to get over more than everyone else on RAW.

[Downhome 0]

Fuck you.

Ah yes, yet another well thought out post.

 

When you have guys busting their ass to try and put on a good show, with what they have been given and then the fans boo like hell, not at any one specific thing but instead just about EVERYTHING, that is indeed being disrespectuful to the workers.

 

If fans want to make a statement towards the booking, you must do so where it will hurt Vince and Co., that being in the money bags. I don't see how this is that hard to understand.

 

These fans weren't trying to make a point though, they didn't give a shit that everyone was actually trying to put on a show. They all just wanted to look like a bunch of smartasses and whatnot.

 

Had they wanted to make a point, they would have hit vince in the wallet, but they did not.

[Promoter 0]

If I recall correctly when Hogan left Canada he was getting cheers in the United States too. I think this might be Vince's master plan to divide the smarks and marks alike into hating each other instead of hating the product

[Guest GreatOne]

Wait, let me change my phrase, because I actually didn't mind Brock beating The Rock, but he wasn't over yet for the main events.

 

I'll just say the country that was responsible for...I got nothing really. I'll just say the country that was responsible for Eugene to get over more than everyone else on RAW.

Well they also chanted EUGENE SUCKS during the Benoit match and popped for the Rock Bottom, but you could also thank HHH for keeping it going or else it would have likely fizzled.

[treble 0]

Fuck you.

Ah yes, yet another well thought out post.

 

When you have guys busting their ass to try and put on a good show, with what they have been given and then the fans boo like hell, not at any one specific thing but instead just about EVERYTHING, that is indeed being disrespectuful to the workers.

The fans didn't boo everything, though, they just booed the stuff they didn't like. Orton, HHH, and Jericho all got relatively big pops and they seemed to like the Orton/Benoit thing after the match was over.

[Guest Staravenger]

If I recall correctly when Hogan left Canada he was getting cheers in the United States too. I think this might be Vince's master plan to divide the smarks and marks alike into hating each other instead of hating the product

The biggest pops Hogan got in 2002-03 were in Toronto & Montreal.

 

I'm a Hogan fan, but even I knew he shouldn't have been a serious Main Event threat.

[UZI Suicide 0]

I think Edge has reached the point where turning him heel won't matter now. People just don't like him, period. He's got X-Pac syndrome, IMO. Even when he first came back from injury the pop was relatively quiet and he's never really gotten any sort of big pops since he returned. A successful heel turn, IMO, needs the guy to be successful as a face before turning, and right now if Edge is hated as a face why are fans going to be into him when he actually IS a heel?

You say X-Pac heat....but what if it's Rocky heat?

 

What if Edge turns heel, and that's his ticket to the top? It's very possible, and I am a bit sick of people claiming that heat for a wrestler that isnt' generally liked by the IWC is "X-Pac heat". Get over yourselves.

 

And not getting the reactions from injury is PERFECT motivation for Edge to turn heel. Quite frankly, fans haven't been given a reason to cheer him other than "he's a good guy!".

It's not Rocky heat because Edge has been around for a long time. Rocky was just getting started and people turned on him quickly, Edge has been both heel and face, and in that has been both serious heel and funny heel, and serious face and funny face, so it's not like there's something for him to turn to(like there was for Rock).

[Jobber of the Week 0]

When you have guys busting their ass to try and put on a good show, with what they have been given and then the fans boo like hell, not at any one specific thing but instead just about EVERYTHING, that is indeed being disrespectuful to the workers.

People cheered. They cheered other guys. Angle got plenty of cheers. Orton got big pops.

 

They weren't booing EVERYTHING. They were taking a huge shit on the booking, and one that I think is well deserved.

 

If fans want to make a statement towards the booking, you must do so where it will hurt Vince and Co., that being in the money bags.

 

That doesn't change a damn thing about the booking. People left in droves when HHH was squashing everyone with potential, and didn't change anything. Then Benoit went over HHH, and got pops and pops and pops for months. And then things changed.

 

People left in droves when Vince was pushing anything and everything to the main event and WCW had the NWO. Then people liked Austin because he was a bad guy, because he didn't respect anything, and Vince was smart enough for a brief moment to know how to exploit it.

 

It doesn't change until the crowd turns on Hart and cheers on Austin.

It doesn't change until the crowd turns on Rock and cheers on Hogan.

It doesn't change until the crowd turns on Goldberg and cheers on Chris Jericho.

 

That "stop buying stuff" excuse is the same bullshit Vince McMahon spews. Which is ironic, since I'm starting to believe more and more that he's part of the problem, which is partly why I like seeing the company fail.

[Guest Mindless_Aggression]

Fuck you.

Ah yes, yet another well thought out post.

 

When you have guys busting their ass to try and put on a good show, with what they have been given and then the fans boo like hell, not at any one specific thing but instead just about EVERYTHING, that is indeed being disrespectuful to the workers.

 

If fans want to make a statement towards the booking, you must do so where it will hurt Vince and Co., that being in the money bags. I don't see how this is that hard to understand.

 

These fans weren't trying to make a point though, they didn't give a shit that everyone was actually trying to put on a show. They all just wanted to look like a bunch of smartasses and whatnot.

 

Had they wanted to make a point, they would have hit vince in the wallet, but they did not.

I understand what you're saying, but at the end of the day, they bought tickets. They're allowed to do anything they want that doesn't involve putting the performers at risk. Is it somewhat stupid? On some level, maybe. But they paid money to be entertained and nothing caught their interest, so they did whatever they felt like doing.

 

I just can understand a person buying a ticket for a show months in advance, a show that is hyped as the 2nd biggest of the year and then you get that card. Was it taken too far? Possibly. But the basic point still stands: They paid for it, they can do whatever they want with it.