Anyone agree with me?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I thought the turn last night was very entertaining and was booked well.....

 

but.....

 

I think they did it way too soon. There's several months of possible storyline down the tubes now. You could've slow burned Triple H pouting about not having the belt and finally ask for a title shot. Now it seems like we're stuck with a feud that's going to last for the next 7 months with little development.

[CanadianChick 0]

No development? Don't fool yourself. WM 21 won't be the first time Triple H goes against Randy. They'll be wrestling each other before. It'll be like HBK/HHH: when in doubt, they're feuding against each other.

[Guest krazykat72]

I agree with you. I now have a feeling it will end up with triple H winning the title at Unforgiven and Orton getting a "you'll never get a re-match" deals, then he'll go through Evolution one by One (Taboo Tuesday, Survivor Series, etc), then he'll win the Rumble and take Triple H down at 'Mania.

 

-Paul Jacobi-

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I suppose they could always have HHH win the title and then lose it at WMXXI. I doubt that though since this seems geared towards HHH getting a ME win at Mania.

 

It just bugs me because they really could've waited. Now Triple H has been injected right back into the title picture. Would it really kill him to be on the same side as the champ for a few months before finally demanding a title shot?

[dubq 0]

I thought the turn last night was very entertaining and was booked well.....

 

but.....

 

I think they did it way too soon. There's several months of possible storyline down the tubes now. You could've slow burned Triple H pouting about not having the belt and finally ask for a title shot. Now it seems like we're stuck with a feud that's going to last for the next 7 months with little development.

HHH pouting for the title for several months does not sound like a very entertaining storyline, IMHO.

[dubq 0]

Would it really kill him to be on the same side as the champ for a few months before finally demanding a title shot?

Well considering he's the most over heel on RAW, nay, the entire WWE - it only makes sense.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

No it doesn't. How are other heels supposed to get over if HHH is the only one getting title shots?

[Fro 0]

I agree, they totally hotshotted this feud.

 

Meltzer says at wrestlingobserver.com:

 

--When you wake up with a few dozen e-mails all saying the same thing (they blew off 4-5 months worth of good programming in one fell swoop last night), it becomes clear about the story telling and lack thereof. I think they felt they needed something immediately and needed to get there right away. I knew it was going to be rushed, but until HHH came out and did that promo where he didn't hint there were any problems regarding Orton winning (current wrestling predictable storytelling swerve), I pretty much figured they were doing it in one night.

[Angle-plex 0]

Triple H wants the belt for himself. Why would he wait several months to kick Orton out of Evolution so that he could get a title shot?

 

A logical story is better than a long one.

[razazteca 0]

Just be happy they did not do this the week before the next PPV like they usually do with angles. At least this time they can get a few weeks of HHH telling Orton that he is not on his level and did not deserve the title.

[Guest Dazed]

Triple H never lost cleanly, one on one, against Benoit - in both singles matches he was screwed over by Eugene. Randy Orton beat Benoit with relative ease, the first time they faced each other.

 

It'd make more sense for Triple H to want the title on Benoit than Orton. While it could be argued that Triple H has run out of title shots against Benoit, he's supposed to be so smart that he can work his way into another match.

 

One thing is for sure though - showing Triple H selling out one of the few people that he trusts for the World Title is going to put the belt over HUGE.

 

Oh - and could you be a little more descriptive with the thread titles in future, please?

[Guest Dynamite Kido]

I think a good way that they could logically do this would be to involve Benoit. Benoit could be the guy that only cares about the title and constantly is a thorn in the side of both Orton and Trips. The main thing in all of this is possibly even getting the title back on Benoit and have Trips and Orton basically fumbling over each other to the point where it is making it generally possibly to get the title off Benoit. Thus, buying them time in the whole ordeal and making all three of them involved in the major storyline. This could also set up some stuff for Evolution to do as well, and basically tying lots of storylines to the main event(thus making them less pointless and making them seem of higher importance).

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Triple H wants the belt for himself. Why would he wait several months to kick Orton out of Evolution so that he could get a title shot?

 

A logical story is better than a long one.

 

But Triple H trying to buddy up to Orton for a few months is more logical than Triple H immediately convincing Batista and Flair to turn on Orton. Sure Triple H wants the belt but it's also illogical that Batista and Flair would have no loyalty to one of their own.

[Youth N Asia 0]

I didn't mind it happening so soon since it was overly predictable. They could have shocked me had HHH and Randy had a nose to nose and Batista just nails Hunter, shocking Flair. Leading to a big HHH/Flair vs Orton/Batista.

 

It was predictable, so I'm glad they got it done and over with

[CanadianChick 0]

Triple H never lost cleanly, one on one, against Benoit - in both singles matches he was screwed over by Eugene. Randy Orton beat Benoit with relative ease, the first time they faced each other.

 

It'd make more sense for Triple H to want the title on Benoit than Orton. While it could be argued that Triple H has run out of title shots against Benoit, he's supposed to be so smart that he can work his way into another match.

 

One thing is for sure though - showing Triple H selling out one of the few people that he trusts for the World Title is going to put the belt over HUGE.

 

Oh - and could you be a little more descriptive with the thread titles in future, please?

AH, but Triple H has never won against Benoit either, and hasn't been able to get the job down, fair or not.

 

Of course he'd want it on Orton, the rookie that'd make mistakes. Besides, Edge has beaten Orton recently, so of course Triple H could. And by the looks of it, Benoit was on his way to defeating Orton last night as well.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

I'm sick of sitting around and waiting for shit to happen.

 

You know what, WWE should "blow their load" *EVERY SINGLE WEEK*...with a good idea, each week.

 

Have HHH/Orton main event next week's Raw. And make it a screwjob ending with say...STING returning and attacking Evolution. Then have Sting/Orton Vs. Batista/HHH the next week, with someone new (Christian?) joining Evolution.

 

Oh my God, three great Raws in a row!

 

Insteaf of "PROMO...PROMO...PROMO....IN THREE WEEKS, AT UNFORGIVEN...."

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

They should also book a "Batista's Left Arm Vs. Title" match on Raw.

 

Since Trips hinted Batista would "give his left arm" for a title shot.

[dubq 0]

No it doesn't. How are other heels supposed to get over if HHH is the only one getting title shots?

Orton was a heel when he got his title shot, and besides, heels don't get over solely by getting title shots.

[Promoter 0]

I see the points everyone is making here, but I think we should let this play out first. It does seem like a start and it is different to any angle they used in this manner of breaking up a faction. Don't we always complain that they don't try to use new material? The slow build might have been good, but it might have been predictable and not get people talking either. I think too many are basing this angle on the rumour that it will headline Mania 21. Suppose that is NOT the plan and the wwe threw it out there for mis-direction? I also don't think it's too much hotshotting when you look at the details so far. Triple H simply could not beat Benoit in triple threat matches, ironman matches, and straight up matches(where he devised a plan by trying to use a retard to help him win). Orton out of nowhere through a battle royal gets the lucky title shot and goes on to win the title from the man Triple H couldn't beat. When you look at it how else would Orton get a title shot over his leader without taking over the group? I believe the wwe has planned Triple H being heel all along. Triple H's promo about Flair becoming champion at age 31 or something is also a detail on why Flair would turn on Orton. Trips even stated that Batista would die for a title shot. This thing HAS been built up. Just not the way we might have expected. Another thing to consider maybe they have a timeline where Triple H is out making his movie too that we don't know about.

[The Czech Republic 0]

I agree with you about last night.

 

 

 

I didn't read anything in this thread though.

[Angle-plex 0]

Triple H wants the belt for himself. Why would he wait several months to kick Orton out of Evolution so that he could get a title shot?

 

A logical story is better than a long one.

 

But Triple H trying to buddy up to Orton for a few months is more logical than Triple H immediately convincing Batista and Flair to turn on Orton. Sure Triple H wants the belt but it's also illogical that Batista and Flair would have no loyalty to one of their own.

No. Triple H wants HIS belt back NOW. He's not going to play fucking children's games with Orton for a few months then decide that "it's time". Flair and Triple H have been together longer than the other two, so that's Flair's loyalty, and Batista always seems to have Flair as a manager, so he just followed him. Plus Triple H will probably say that Randy betrayed not just him but all of them when he won the belt.

[Guest Dids]

Triple H never lost cleanly, one on one, against Benoit - in both singles matches he was screwed over by Eugene. Randy Orton beat Benoit with relative ease, the first time they faced each other.

Disagree. In most cases HHH was about to lose clean, then a ref bump or a run in and took the upper hand and THEN Eugene showed up. I think they did a good job of putting Benoit over HHH clean.

 

I think the time for this move was now. I'd much rather they do it than waste 3 months doing a slow burn to something we know is coming anyway.

 

Moreover, given that we've seen part 1.01A of this fued, it's just too early to judge what the next step will be.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

I'm sick of sitting around and waiting for shit to happen.

 

You know what, WWE should "blow their load"  *EVERY SINGLE WEEK*...with a good idea, each week.

 

Have HHH/Orton main event next week's Raw.  And make it a screwjob ending with say...STING returning and attacking Evolution.  Then have Sting/Orton Vs. Batista/HHH the next week, with someone new (Christian?) joining Evolution.

 

Oh my God, three great Raws in a row!

 

Insteaf of "PROMO...PROMO...PROMO....IN THREE WEEKS, AT UNFORGIVEN...."

they dont have the creativity to come up with good ideas every single week. Within four or five weeks, they'd have nothing left and we're back to generic feuds. Because of their limited writing ability (as evidenced by, oh, the last THREE YEARS), it makes more sense to stretch out thier good ideas, but obviously not too much.

[justcoz 0]

I made a point in another thread about how they goofed Eugene by not taking it slow with the angle with him and Regal. How he should have been chalking up weekly wins on Raw against OVW or indie jobbers before being thrown into the main event. How they should have let JBL develop as a character before putting the championship on him. How creative don't know how to pace anything.

 

After saying all of the above, I LOVED LAST NIGHT! True, they could have dragged this out for a bit but this was one case where I think it worked in their favor to hot shot. It was a "Holy Shit" Raw moment that the show had been lacking. You just assumed they were going to end it with the Evolution/Randy celebration and when HHH gave the thumbs down and Orton mouthed "you f*cker" before going down it was pretty much a mark out moment. It reminded me so much of a sudden Horsemen/NWA turn and I think that's why I liked it so much.

 

Granted, I kind of wanted to see Batista and Orton aligned because I think Batista has greater babyface potential than Orton.

 

The question going into next week is if Randy is a face, heel or tweener. I'm hoping they let him continue his cocky arrogant persona and don't turn him into another smiling generic pretty boy baby face. Let him be the same Randy Orton. I don't know, maybe bring Foley in for a match with HHH/Flair? It would add another dimension to the Orton/HHH feud and would be interesting given Flair's comments about Foley in his book.

[Brett Favre 0]

I disagree. The thing about doing it now makes it somewhat unpredictable. Everyone knew it was going to happen, just not this soon, thus giving us the moment that was, which was a great moment. I like what they've done only if they extend the feud till the Royal Rumble, but if it's dragged out to WrestleMania 21, it will lose tons of steam.

 

Nik made a great point about title. Is the title so important that HHH sold out one of his best friends just for it? Remember, HHH never did this with HBK, shows what's happened to him since then.

[Guest deadbeater]

HHH cooled all the faces on Raw. All of the faces. So he manufactured a new one

[Brett Favre 0]

Am I the only who thinks that it would have been funny if Triple H, after turning his thumb down, pushed Randy Orton off of Batista's shoulders?

[Guest Dids]

I'll mention what I said in another thread. The error with Eugene wasn't the speed, it was that they spot playing on his image as a technical wrestling savant, and made him into a dumb guy who didn't know his own strength.

 

He should have been the retard version of Brett Hart, not the retard version of Hogan.

 

I think now he's been booked into a corner where he's too powerful to be an everyday wrestler, but he's not credible enough to be in the main event. That's unfortunate because it means that for Dinsmore, who's a good wrestler, to get back on TV regularly, they've probably gotta totally repackage him. (or pull some mega swerve/stupid angle to "fix" Eugene). Of course, maybe they can make this work as is, given that nobody thought the character would get over in the first place, and he's sure done that.

[Vyce 0]

They probably did hotshot it, but HHH is probably booking this, so what can you do?

 

I think the best thing to do is to have Orton drop the title STAT. Within the next few weeks. He can either lose it to HHH, or have Evolution cost him the belt by dropping it back to Benoit. Either way, the title should get off him, so that leading up to WM (and by then, I'm sure it's safe to say that HHH will have it back) Orton is the face chasing the heel HHH for the belt & all the revenge that comes with it.

[Guest jac52]

HHH will be just another legend to add to ortons list