RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 HOLY SHIT! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Urban Warfare 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Uhhh... Am I the only one who didn't like that episode at all? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slimm44 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Uhhh... Am I the only one who didn't like that episode at all? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Probably, the last few episodes have made up the first two (the ones after the season premiere) this season is getting better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Alright, the preview on CTV was completely different than the one on ABC. CTV didn't mention anything about Kate being a ghost or whatever the hell that was, and ABC didn't show anything about what's up with the button and the hatch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 I loved the ending sequence. And I can't wait to see what happens next week when we finally found out about Kate. I liked Ana-Lucia's backstory. I thought how she lied to the LAPD about that being the guy, and then doing her own business and killing him because she knew he was going to get out eventually...good stuff. And Eko/Locke look like the new tag team of Season 2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 The ABC preview had Kate saying "Do you believe in Ghosts?" while they were showing her looking at the airplane toy. Sawyer said "I love her" kinda sleepishly and Jack said "You mean Kate?" Something happened in the hatch. Sawyer is gone from his bed, there's evidence of a ruckus in the room. Kate cries a lot. "What's goin on?" "I'm sorry" "Are you?" Jack grabs Kates arm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Electrifyer 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 That was totally different that the Canadian one. The Canadian one had Michael examing a door and saying it was to protect the hatch from above. The timer also counted down to zero and Kate and Jack kissed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 The ghost comment kind of caught me off guard, but I like it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 If it's said to Jack, we're talking about the same guy who followed his dad around to the coffin, so it will be interesting to see his reaction. I think the Canadian one was better, just cause it made me go HOLY SHIT, and the American one made me go "We get to find out about Kate". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 I liked Eko 'echoing' Locke's 'Hello'. That little scene was pretty cool itself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 That was the shittiest shit that ever shit. Ana Lucia sucks. "I'm tough, I have a deep voice, I'm really tough, I'm tough". WOOPDIDDY SHIT. I'm getting really tired of nothing happening. It's obvious they have no idea where they are going and are just hoping that we forgot most of the many mysteries from season 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Yeah, nothing's happening at all. (Are you WATCHING the show?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Ana Lucia's boring ass backstory took up way too much time. Regular folk meet the tail end folk was all that happened, and I really cannot be assed to think of why that matters when I don't give a shit about any of the tail enders. And I know you are going to respond with how deep this episode was, RRR. It wasn't. They just keep putting off answering questions and make up new ones and hope we'll forget about the original ones. And the occassional answer they give is lame as all get out (Boone on the radio is talking to Bernard, for example). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 What questions? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tawren 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Why are there goddamn polar bears on the island? What happened to Jack's fathers body? What is the "monster"? Why was the psychic so worried about Claire's baby? Who was Ethan? What happened to the pilot? Was it the monster? The security system? When Locke said he "saw the eye of the island" (maybe it was heart) when he caught the first boar, what was he talking about? Did he see the monster/security system? Why were there corpses in the caves? How the hell did a pirate ship get so far in-land? Why have they not gone back to it? Why does nobody feel bad about Arzt's death? Is Locke smart or lucky? How did he know how to make the drug for Boone? Does Roussea have anything to do with anything? Why have they not gone after her? And these are just off the top of my head. Few of these will be answered, ever. But yeah, this episode was great - Ana Lucia is so TOUGH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkius Maximus 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 I sorta agree with those who have said it. The Ana character is not very good at all IMO. I mean, I dunno if the episode was supposed to make us like her, or what, but it made me hate her even more. She's just...not fun to have on the show. Plus, she doesn't appear to have great range as an actress. That said, the non-Ana stuff (Which was like...85% of the episode) was awesome. I just wish they'd decide which way their taking the show. One episode, it seems very sci-fi-ish, then the next it's a human drama. The two sides have never really connected very well for me, and the glaring contrasts are just getting worse. A question thats bothering me, and really took me out of the season since the beginning: How the FUCK did Desmond end up on the Island? I mean, I know they gave somewhat of an explaination...but it's easily the one thing I've seen on the show that made me go "...wait...WTF? How is that coincidence POSSIBLE?!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Why are there goddamn polar bears on the island? The Dharma Experiment dealt with several things. It's reasonable to believe given the information that they put the animals there. What happened to Jack's fathers body? Dunno. It's possible we'll discover the answer when they get further into the others. Jacks story isn't finished yet. What is the "monster"? Given what Danielle said, it's the security system. If you don't think this will be explained, you're nuts. This is attached to a greater question, though. Why was the psychic so worried about Claire's baby? This could tie in with Walt and what makes Walt special and also why The Others were interested in Claire. I also imagine it ties in with why they're on the island in the first place. If you're expecting an answer for that any time soon, you're probably watching this show for the wrong reasons. Who was Ethan? I thought this was obvious, especially given the last episode. They tailies had The Others acting like survivors. Ethan was acting like a survivor. The others were making lists and abducting people, isn't it reasonable to assume Ethan was doing the same? Do they have to hold your hand on this one? What happened to the pilot? Was it the monster? The security system? That question ties in with the nature of the island itself. You can't expect them to just give the whole thing away so soon. When Locke said he "saw the eye of the island" (maybe it was heart) when he caught the first boar, what was he talking about? Did he see the monster/security system? So far there's 3 questions revolving around the same issue. Why were there corpses in the caves? This, again, deals with the nature of the island. The current survivors aren't the only people to have crashed there. There's a reason for that. How the hell did a pirate ship get so far in-land? Why have they not gone back to it? Given that it hasn't been very long since they went to the Black Rock, and that the Black Rock doesn't really have anything worth going to, this is kinda silly. The pirate ship deals with the same issue as before. People have crashed here before. Why does nobody feel bad about Arzt's death? Because Arzt wasn't part of the clique. Even Arzt new that. Is Locke smart or lucky? How did he know how to make the drug for Boone? I think that one was dumb. Locke is smart, though. But he's also weak, in some ways. Does Roussea have anything to do with anything? Why have they not gone after her? Cause shes used conveniently, duh. And these are just off the top of my head. Few of these will be answered, ever. But yeah, this episode was great - Ana Lucia is so TOUGH. I think the answers you're wanting are related to the over-all grand super question that they won't be answering for a while: Why are they on the Island? This episode was great, if you gave a damn about the characters. The Ana Lucia stuff sucked (cept for revealing she was pregnant), but even then I liked the stuff with Echo and Jack which directly related to her. And Desmond said he was training for a trip around the world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 All I will say regarding the grand scheme is how can you expect answers when you don't know the entire question? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Here's a question: Is Locke involved with The Others? I don't mean in a "He's an Other", I mean... He spent a lot of time with Ethan. What if Ethan and him got to talking. What if Ethan told him about Walt, and that's why Locke has taken Walt under his wing. Or maybe Locke told Ethan about Walt, and that's why The Others were interested in him. Maybe Locke told the others that the raft was launching and that Walt was on it. Certainly something to consider. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkius Maximus 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Eh...I don't buy that Locke would ever help the Others abduct Walt. If anything, I can see him going off on a holy crusade to save the kid when he finds out. Besides Boone, Walt was the only other person on the Island Locke ever got close to, and I just can't...see him letting, or helping anyone take him. Really, they've made Locke somewhat questionable, but I really think that when shit goes down, he'll be one of the first of the Survivors to go after the others. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 I don't think so. Locke doesn't seem like the kind of guy to just storm off guns ablazin. I think, if anything, he'll be the one trying to talk sense into everyone. Bah, I just remembered Locke trying to focus everyone on the threat of the others. Damn, I really liked my "Locke helps the others" theory. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 People first thought Locke would be the one running in guns ablazin and that Jack would be the one trying to talk sense. After tonights episode, that has changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkius Maximus 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 I don't really think Locke would run after them over anyone else but Walt, but for 90% of the original season, those two bonded. I can see him trying to save him. Jack...Jack will lose his mind trying to go for the Others. Which will be fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Was I the only one expecting something to happen when Bernard and Rose were reunited? I almost expected another "stray gunshot" or something else tragic to take them both out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nl5xsk1 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 First of all, was there anything in Ana Lucia's story that was supposed to make us sympathize or empathize with her? It told us why she's a badass, but didn't make her any more likable. There has to be a reason for that, methinks. And re: the questions that some people are looking for ... I'll reiterate what I've said before. Do you read skip ahead until the end of a book to see how it ends? Do you fast forward through a movie to see how it ends? I presume the answer is no to both questions, so I'll ask this: why are people so bent on finding out the answers. Enjoy the journey, and we'll find out what's up when they want us to. If the fact that they haven't walked back to the ship - or crying because a guy that they pretty much had just met died - is stopping you from enjoying this show, maybe you should find something else to watch at 9:00 pm Eastern each Wednesday. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Evolution Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Definitely liked the Canadian promo better, and I didn't have a problem with this week's episode. Ana-Lucia's backstory, I don't think was meant to make her more likable but rather to explain why she's such a mean bitch. You don't have to agree with her methods of revenge and justice on the guy who shot her, but you have to agree her getting shot and losing the baby turned her into a mean hardass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Brian Report post Posted November 24, 2005 First of all, was there anything in Ana Lucia's story that was supposed to make us sympathize or empathize with her? It told us why she's a badass, but didn't make her any more likable. There has to be a reason for that, methinks. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I think the miscarriage is supposed to make you sympathize for her. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RedJed 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Few thoughts on the show.... When Michael was talking to Sayed while he was tied up and mentioned Walt being taken by the Others and how it happened, did anyone notice the unusual reaction Sayed did? It was more like he was reacting to something internal inside him instead of just externally reacting to the news. I dont know how to explain this, but did anyone else find this a little odd? Almost like he was in some physical pain of some sorts after Michael told him about Walt. I could have just been so baked though, I was looking into this way too deeply. Marked the fuck out for the "pairings" of sorts when Locke and Ek had their first scene together, same with the ending of Ana and Jack. I think there is strong merit to the theory that most every character has a yin to their yang, ie Jack/Ana, Locke/Ek, etc, etc. I have certainly had enough of Ana Lucia and if they dont make some real headwaves soon of giving her some more substantial character depth beyond the bad-ass cliche shit (and I give them credit for trying, but the flashbacks on her didnt give me much other than she's fucked up because of losing her baby) that character is going to go nowhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dubq 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 Few thoughts on the show.... When Michael was talking to Sayed while he was tied up and mentioned Walt being taken by the Others and how it happened, did anyone notice the unusual reaction Sayed did? It was more like he was reacting to something internal inside him instead of just externally reacting to the news. I dont know how to explain this, but did anyone else find this a little odd? Almost like he was in some physical pain of some sorts after Michael told him about Walt. I could have just been so baked though, I was looking into this way too deeply. No, you're right. He reacted differently. Mostly, I'm guessing, because that's what he and Shannon were dealing with right before she got shot. He's probably just headfucked because of what he saw with Walt talking backwards and then finding out that he was actually kidnapped by the Others. I have certainly had enough of Ana Lucia and if they dont make some real headwaves soon of giving her some more substantial character depth beyond the bad-ass cliche shit (and I give them credit for trying, but the flashbacks on her didnt give me much other than she's fucked up because of losing her baby) that character is going to go nowhere. First of all, was there anything in Ana Lucia's story that was supposed to make us sympathize or empathize with her? It told us why she's a badass, but didn't make her any more likable. There has to be a reason for that, methinks. I think the whole point of her character is for us to NOT like her, but to hate her, even. Like really hate her. Sure, you've got Sawyer, who's an asshole.. but he's the cool-heel asshole who you grow to like. With Ana Lucia, it's just a whole "wow, what a fucking bitch" kind of hate and you just want to see her get hers in the end. The show needed one of those, IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkius Maximus 0 Report post Posted November 24, 2005 My problem with saying "She's supposed to be the bad guy of the group" is...I don't buy it. I think they want us to like Ana for being such a hardass, and it just doesn't work at all. It doesn't help that she was pretty unlikable from the get go, even before all the stuff went down. One thing that I'm sorta worried about, is that they'll pair Kate & Sawyer, and Jack & Ana, which...doesn't really work for me at all. Edit: and I forgot a statement...Am I the only one sick of flashbacks? I mean, last nights was okay, due to it being a new character, but it feels like almost all the flashbacks this season other then Jack's have been absolutely worthless. Did we REALLY need second flashbacks for Michael & Hurley? I've gotten to the point, where I just tune out most of the flashbacks, and only pick up the decent info. It just feels like filler in this season to me. Having said that, I want to see what they give Eko as his story. That dude is a HOSS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites