What they COULD do with Kidman/Chavo

[JoeDirt 0]

I'd use this real situation to make an angle.

 

Next week, Jamie Noble confronts Kidman. Kidman says it was just an accident, he was just trying to win the match. Noble accuses him of trying to take out Chavo, knowing that since they lost non-title to Chavo and Noble, they were about to lose their title. He challenges Kidman to a match, and since Chavo is hurt, he wants London banned from ringside. Kidman agrees.

 

The match comes, and goes a few minutes. With Kidman down, Noble takes his tag title belt and DRILLS Kidman with it. He just beats the HELL out of Kidman, busting him open, yelling "how do YOU like it, you son of a bitch!" Maybe he beats him down so badly that Kidman has to be stretchered out.

 

This sets off a big blood feud between the two teams, and when Chavo returns (hopefully by No Mercy), they're ready to have their big tag team title match.

 

Any chance of this ever happening? Okay, so maybe not...but it'd be cool, right?

[Lil' Bitch 0]

I'd LOVE to see Chavo / Jamie Vs. Paul / Billy at No Mercy for the titles.

[JoeDirt 0]

I'd LOVE to see Chavo / Jamie Vs. Paul / Billy at No Mercy for the titles.

Me too. And come on, it's not like this is booking genius here. It's just simple wrestling booking...maybe that's lost on the Smackdown writers.

[Guest Rrrsh]

Your Idea is too much like Russo for me.

 

 

Altho I wanna see that match at No Mercy as well.

[JoeDirt 0]

Your Idea is too much like Russo for me.

 

 

Altho I wanna see that match at No Mercy as well.

How is it like Russo?

 

I see no viagara on poles, no Judy Bagwell, no one turning on their tag team partner, no blood falling from the ceiling...

[Guest Rrrsh]

No worked-shoots. Thats never good.

[Epic Reine 0]

I can forsee WWE showing a vignette of Chavo being taken out on the stretcher, and doing some angle off of it. [Wait for Chavo to be Perry Saturn v.2 or go back to his Pepe WCW character shit again.]

 

With Noble being the Malenko to Chavo's Perry Saturn, it reeks of September-December 2001 all over again.........

[CanadianChick 0]

I don't see it happening. They didn't show Chavo getting stretchered out, so no.

 

I like Noble beating the hell out of someone. Jamie's badass dude.

 

Rrrsh: It is a bit like Russo, but at least it's in context of wrestling. What tag team partner wouldn't want to gain revenge for their injured partner? Just say Chavo got a concussion, and Noble's pissed, and voila.

[Vyce 0]

No worked-shoots. Thats never good.

What?

 

In this day and age of ridiculous "JBL just caused Eddie Guerrero's mother to have a heart attack!" works, you're saying a semi-shoot angle such as the one proposed here, which would at least make for interesting (if not entertaining) TV, is a BAD thing?

[King Cucaracha 0]

So...when does London spraypaint "Rednecks Suck" on Noble's car?

 

Only to find out it's Theodore Long's car.

[pochorenella 0]

Not to go against everyone here, but actually I wanted first to see a tables match between Kidman/London and the Dudleys. You know, to give the champs the rub, a la RR2000 (Hardys vs Dudleys). Then after that you could have new feuds. Still, Chavo/Noble vs London/Kidman for PPV (are you sure No Mercy is a SD! PPV?) sounds sweet.

[justcoz 0]

No worked-shoots. Thats never good.

 

Worked shoots are fine as long as they don't expose the business and go over the casual viewer's head. This is where Russo went wrong in WCW.

 

A BAD WORKED SHOOT: Chris Jericho goes on Raw and says that he's tired of being held down by HHH, how the creative team make him job out to everyone just so HHH can protect his spot. He's tired of never getting airtime because HHH and Evolution take up all of the television time and give him and Benoit the shaft. HHH holds other's down and because of his pull with the McMahon family will never step down and let anyone else main event and challenge for the title.

 

A GOOD WORKED SHOOT: Chris Jericho goes on Raw and proclaims that the Raw audience have spoken and they are sick and tired of HHH challenging for the championship. Where is Chris Jericho's title shot? The first ever Undisputed Heavyweight champion of the world? Fans are tired of turning on their television and seeing HHH and Evolution on the screen. They want Y2J. They need Y2J. Jericho wants his championship match. He wants his PPV main event. He wants his shot at the World Heavyweight championship.

 

Basically the same thing is being said and us smarks can "ooh and ah" about how Jericho did a shoot on HHH. To the casual fan, Jericho is just telling it how it is and he simply wants a title shot. He isn't going over their head with insider references and he isn't acknowledging things being scripted. Only us fans who follow the insider stuff can point are fingers and say, "that's a shoot."

 

Kind of like w/ HBK and Bret Hart. When Bret Hart shot on HBK he would reference HBK "losing his smile" because he was a coward who wouldn't face him in the ring in a rematch. He wasn't saying that Shawn Michaels lost his smile because he didn't want to job to him. The insider fans knew what he was referring to and the casual fans just thought he was calling HBK a coward.

 

One is the type of shoot that Russo booked with Vince McMahon watching over him. The other would be what Russo would book on Nitro without having an editor.

 

I say let them make this an angle. Show some footage of Chavo being carried out. Have the announcers speak seriously about how despite the outlandish things we see each and every week for the sake of entertaining the fans - the business is very real and one mishap can end a career and affect someone's life tremendously. How Kidman didn't have any intention of injuring Chavo with the move, they were just having a competative match and accidents happen.

 

Let that be the them which angers Noble. Accidents happening. Have Noble demand that Teddy Long ban Kidman from using the shooting star press. Run an angle where if Kidman does the move, he's dq'd.

 

Like someone said, it's better than Kidman and London spray painting Noble's pick up truck or shining their belts with Chavo's bandanna. WWE creative team style.

[JoeDirt 0]

I just think it would work because it's simple, makes sense, and would get people to take a tag team title feud at least SOMEWHAT seriously for the first time in how long?

 

But instead we'll either get nothing, or like was said earlier, Paul London spraypainting "REDNECKS SUK" on a car.

[Twisted Intestine 0]

Basically the same thing is being said and us smarks can "ooh and aaah" about how Jericho did a shoot on HHH.

What? You want him to do a shoot on HHH?

 

That'd be the shittiest television ever..

 

Jericho just pulls out a gun and shoots HHH. Pfffft. Shows how much YOU know about wrestling!

[UZI Suicide 0]

I like this, I like it a lot. There's an actual storyline, a reason why they're fighting. Far too often in the tag team ranks these days, we see exactly what was going to happen before Chavo's injury..Quickly thrown together Team A defeats the champs in a non-title match, then two from each team wrestle in singles matches like every week on Smackdown, then they wrestle each other at the next two PPVs. It's quite boring.

[justcoz 0]

Jericho just pulls out a gun and shoots HHH. Pfffft. Shows how much YOU know about wrestling!

 

Yes, that would totally be hotshotting and Meltzer and everyone would complain that it needed more time for a slow build. First, Jericho should unsuccessfully try to kill HHH using other methods. Poisoning his creatine drink. Leaving a dirty needle in his gym sack. Throwing Big Show from the roof of a building, onto HHH's car, with HHH inside. Locking him in a room w/ Stephanie. Then finally shooting him leading into Wrestlemania.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I don't see it happening. They didn't show Chavo getting stretchered out, so no.

 

I like Noble beating the hell out of someone. Jamie's badass dude.

 

Rrrsh: It is a bit like Russo, but at least it's in context of wrestling. What tag team partner wouldn't want to gain revenge for their injured partner? Just say Chavo got a concussion, and Noble's pissed, and voila.

That is fine. But thats not what JoeDirt said.

[JoeDirt 0]

I don't see it happening. They didn't show Chavo getting stretchered out, so no.

 

I like Noble beating the hell out of someone. Jamie's badass dude.

 

Rrrsh: It is a bit like Russo, but at least it's in context of wrestling. What tag team partner wouldn't want to gain revenge for their injured partner? Just say Chavo got a concussion, and Noble's pissed, and voila.

That is fine. But thats not what JoeDirt said.

How is it different? Noble is pissed, so he beats down Kidman in revenge. He believes he's in the right, which is when heelish behavior is the best. Kidman believes he's in the right, since it was just an accident. It's not a worked shoot...it's just taking advantage of a real situation and making it into a story, which has been done a gazillion times before.

[The Niggardly King 0]

They should keep Chavo away for a month, or two. He'll cut INTENSE promos about how Kidman almost killed him, and Chavo hasn't been able to play with his kids for a whole month.

 

Just make it shorter verison of Lesnar/Holly feud.

[Guest Rrrsh]

I don't see it happening. They didn't show Chavo getting stretchered out, so no.

 

I like Noble beating the hell out of someone. Jamie's badass dude.

 

Rrrsh: It is a bit like Russo, but at least it's in context of wrestling. What tag team partner wouldn't want to gain revenge for their injured partner? Just say Chavo got a concussion, and Noble's pissed, and voila.

That is fine. But thats not what JoeDirt said.

How is it different? Noble is pissed, so he beats down Kidman in revenge. He believes he's in the right, which is when heelish behavior is the best. Kidman believes he's in the right, since it was just an accident. It's not a worked shoot...it's just taking advantage of a real situation and making it into a story, which has been done a gazillion times before.

Why would Kidman say its an accident? The point of any move in wrestling is to hurt him as most as humaliy possible to win a match. Anytime when a guy says "I didnt mean to hurt him" IMMEDIATLY implies wrestling is fake...BUT THIS IS REAL.

 

 

 

Not good.

[justcoz 0]

Why would Kidman say its an accident? The point of any move in wrestling is to hurt him as most as humaliy possible to win a match. Anytime when a guy says "I didnt mean to hurt him" IMMEDIATLY implies wrestling is fake...BUT THIS IS REAL.

 

 

 

Not good.

 

I understand what you are saying but there is a difference between wanting to win a match by scoring a pinfall and wanting to cripple and paralyze your opponent. That's always been kind of referenced in the announcing. Kidman's SSP isn't necessarily a move that they sell as 'putting someone out of commission' and threatening their career. It's sold as high risk offense if anything, where Kidman is putting the match and his career in jeopardy by missing. If he hits, more than anything probably, he's knocking the wind out of the guy and getting the pin.

 

They've never sold any wrestler, beyond Lesnar's Mania mishap, as being injured from the SSP so it wouldn't be implying that everything else is fake with Kidman saying he didn't mean to injure Chavo, put him on a stretcher and into an ambulance and out of his livelyhood.

 

Noble wouldjust object to that statement.

 

It could be pretty good if told correctly. I doubt WWE will touch upon it because they probably have them scheduled to lose the tag championships to Heidenreich rather than booking an interesting tag team championship match among good cruisers.

[Lord of The Curry 0]

They should keep Chavo away for a month, or two. He'll cut INTENSE promos about how Kidman almost killed him, and Chavo hasn't been able to play with his kids for a whole month.

 

Just make it shorter verison of Lesnar/Holly feud.

Nobody gives a shit about Chavo playing with his kids, that's the type of promo a face would cut.

[Guest Tjhe CyNick]

Yeah they definately should use the injury to heat up the angle.

 

I would keep Chavo off TV for a little while.

 

I also like the idea of Noble somehow taking out one of Kidman or London. Then maybe instead of having the blowoff match at No Mercy they have a one on one match between the two remaining guys (Noble vs London for example) and then in that match you have Chavo come back and they do a two on one beat down on London after the match.

 

Kidman eventually comes back on TV and they set up a tag title match maybe at SurvSer. Perhaps it oculd finally be blown off with a Cage Match or a Ladder Match for the titles. I think those guys would have a great match in either of those environments.

[JoeDirt 0]

I don't see it happening. They didn't show Chavo getting stretchered out, so no.

 

I like Noble beating the hell out of someone. Jamie's badass dude.

 

Rrrsh: It is a bit like Russo, but at least it's in context of wrestling. What tag team partner wouldn't want to gain revenge for their injured partner? Just say Chavo got a concussion, and Noble's pissed, and voila.

That is fine. But thats not what JoeDirt said.

How is it different? Noble is pissed, so he beats down Kidman in revenge. He believes he's in the right, which is when heelish behavior is the best. Kidman believes he's in the right, since it was just an accident. It's not a worked shoot...it's just taking advantage of a real situation and making it into a story, which has been done a gazillion times before.

Why would Kidman say its an accident? The point of any move in wrestling is to hurt him as most as humaliy possible to win a match. Anytime when a guy says "I didnt mean to hurt him" IMMEDIATLY implies wrestling is fake...BUT THIS IS REAL.

 

 

 

Not good.

Because the shooting star press is done to PIN someone, not knock them unconscious. Kidman could say he was just trying to get the pinfall, but accidentally his knee caught Chavo in the head. Noble would argue it was on purpose, and then try and get revenge.

[Guest nWoCHRISnWo]

To use some of the ideas here (especially justcoz') I would book it like this...

 

Have Noble all pissed off like someone said, have him confront Kidman and start yelling about how they're all wrestlers and trying to actually take someone out like that goes against eveyrthing they were ever taught. Kidman says he never tried to "take him out" and seems apologetic about it. Have Noble get the SSP banned, and any use of it would result in a DQ, which would allow for the belts to change hands if in a title match as well. With Chavo still out, Kidman/London beat the Dudleys in a (tables?) match and gain some credibility. After the match, Chavo makes his return and him and Noble absolutely lay into Kidman/London. This sets up the big London/Kidman vs Chavo/Noble match, where Kidman thinks about it, then uses the SSP. London/Kidman lose the belts. Next week on Raw, London "Shawn-Michaels" Kidman and becomes cool heel London, beating Kidman in a feud and going onto bigger and better things.

 

Pretty much I just want London as a cool heel.

[Guest thatdude21601]

So...when does London spraypaint "Rednecks Suck" on Noble's car?

 

Only to find out it's Theodore Long's car.

 

If it leads to Noble vs. Kidman one week, and then Noble vs. London 2/3 falls the next ...I'm all for that one.

[Toxxic 0]

Why would Kidman say its an accident? The point of any move in wrestling is to hurt him as most as humaliy possible to win a match. Anytime when a guy says "I didnt mean to hurt him" IMMEDIATLY implies wrestling is fake...BUT THIS IS REAL.

 

 

 

Not good.

Nah, I'm not seeing it. Look at boxing. In boxing, you are meant to hit the other guy in the head in order to score more points or (prefereably) knock him out to win. BUT YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO CRIPPLE HIM. People are meant to be temporarily KO'd, but OK to fight again. Is it a stupid sport? Yes. Is it ridiculous to assume that people can be hit in the head time and time again without risking major injury? Yes. But that's what's MEANT to happen.

 

Same with wrestling. To briefly plug the SWF e-fed, my wrestler has several times explained to people that he doesn't enjoy hurting people, but he enjoys winning and in order to do that he has to hurt people. And he's a heel. It's not about really hurting people, it's supposed to be about disorientating/winding/knocking them out long enough for the three-count.

 

So I reckon the proposed storyline would work.

[Guest Real F'n Show]

So...when does London spraypaint "Rednecks Suck" on Noble's car?

 

Only to find out it's Theodore Long's car.

Right after we find out that Noble and Torrie have been secretly seeing each other since the Noble/Nidia/Gunn/Torrie foursome, and Kidman goes all psycho, but then they end up having a three-way, with London videotaping.

 

But then...SWERVE~! London accidently tapes over the porno with an episode of The Days, and Chavo returns from the hospital, only to find out what London did and become super pissed off, because he wanted to see it. Kidman then steps in to get Chavo to leave his partner alone, but Chavo's all like "No esse, you gave me a concussion." London then jumps Chavo, followed by Noble coming to Chavo's aid, and the two teams brawl.

 

The two teams eventually have a tag title match, and Kidman goes up top for the shooting star onto Chavo, but London's all "dude, you better let me do it this time" and London hits his awesome shooting star onto Chavo for the victory. After the match, Torrie comes out to congratulate her man and London, but then kicks Kidman in the nuts and makes out with "By Gawd" Jamie Noble. Apparently Jamie was better during the three-way, you see.

 

The two teams feud for awhile, with an evil Torrie on the side of Chavo and Noble now. Somehow Jamie's old girlfriend Nidia returns to Smackdown as a face and sides with London and Kidman in their war against Noble and Chavo. It's during THIS time that London spraypaints "Rednecks Suk" on Noble's RV, which is actually Theodore Long's that he borrowed from Rodney Mack after his car was towed.

 

The blowoff is eventually a 6 person intergender tag match at a PPV with London, Kidman, and Nidia vs. Chavo, Noble, and Torrie. Nidia pins Torrie after spraying black mist into her face and blinding her, a little trick she learned from Tajiri. After the match, a blinded Torrie runs to the back screaming, and Noble doesn't seem to care. Kidman on the other hand, shows he still has some sympathy for his ex wife, and follows after her, never to be seen on WWE TV again. Meanwhile, London and Nidia have begun making out, to everyone's disgust. Chavo and Noble shrug their shoulders and leave, thus ending the Greatest Feud Ever.

[Guest Big Daddy V1]

They should keep Chavo away for a month, or two. He'll cut INTENSE promos about how Kidman almost killed him, and Chavo hasn't been able to play with his kids for a whole month.

 

Just make it shorter verison of Lesnar/Holly feud.

Nobody gives a shit about Chavo playing with his kids, that's the type of promo a face would cut.

Didn't they do this with Cena and Brock Lesnar. They kept Cena off and he cut killer promos on how he'd get back at Brock for F5'ing him into a ringpost and keeping him off of Smackdown.

 

I see this working, since the promos by Cena were the only thing that saved that feud.

[evilhomer 0]

Why would Kidman say its an accident? The point of any move in wrestling is to hurt him as most as humaliy possible to win a match. Anytime when a guy says "I didnt mean to hurt him" IMMEDIATLY implies wrestling is fake...BUT THIS IS REAL.

 

 

 

Not good.

Nah, I'm not seeing it. Look at boxing. In boxing, you are meant to hit the other guy in the head in order to score more points or (prefereably) knock him out to win. BUT YOU ARE NOT MEANT TO CRIPPLE HIM. People are meant to be temporarily KO'd, but OK to fight again. Is it a stupid sport? Yes. Is it ridiculous to assume that people can be hit in the head time and time again without risking major injury? Yes. But that's what's MEANT to happen.

 

Same with wrestling. To briefly plug the SWF e-fed, my wrestler has several times explained to people that he doesn't enjoy hurting people, but he enjoys winning and in order to do that he has to hurt people. And he's a heel. It's not about really hurting people, it's supposed to be about disorientating/winding/knocking them out long enough for the three-count.

 

So I reckon the proposed storyline would work.

You're not totally correct about boxing. It's the rules and the officials that keep the boxers from crippling each other. The fight is stopped when one competitor is in danger, they don't get hit when they're down, etc. The boxer is trained to continue pounding the shit out of his opponent until the fight is over. It's up to the officials to end it before it reaches the point of serious injury. I remember seeing an interview (I believe with Lennox Lewis) where he was being given a hard time for labelling a guy with one final shot when he was already out on his feet. He explained how in a previous fight he let up on a guy in a similar situation and that brief lapse gave his opponent the opportunity to come back in the fight. He didn't want this to happen again so he continued laying it on, going on to emphasis that it's up to the ref to stop the fight prior to a killer shot like the one he layed on. It's the ref's decision, not the fighters.

 

 

I'm clarifying this because it's up to the commentators and writers to point it out this way. They need to point out that this ain't ballett, but these guys have lives and families and that rules are needed to protect them from serious injury. The wrestlers aren't holding back because it's fake, they're holding back because breaking the rules and/or carelessly causing injury will get them fined/suspended/fired.

 

An admission that you didn't want to hurt someone does not have to equal an admission that it's all fake. It's all up to the background that is given to this admission.