Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry had to knock one out of the park tonight - he did NOT do that. As Vince McMahon might say, 'Have you done a good job? Yes you have' 'BUT THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!!!!!' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Anybody who views this as a blowout for either side is just really bad at analysis. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Bush wasn't impressive Kerry didn't exactly KO him, but Bush was flustered. Bush was repetitive. Kerry won. For somebody who wants to stay on the offensive in the war.. Bush was very defensive tonight. The light system disappointed me.. I thought that they'd show a spotlight.. not that little light Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZI Suicide 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry didn't explain his plans, but at the same time, when he called Bush out for not having any plans for the future, and his plans in Iraq failing, Bush never had a good rebuttal, or stated what his plans are. Even though a lot do know his stances, many undecided voters probably don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 For the next debate, I think Bush needs to stop looking so pissed when Kerry is making his statements. On the other hand, Kerry REALLY needs to stop with all the 'Nam and JFK references. This next debate may tell the conclusion in November if Bush can come out strong in the next one and finish the job. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry didn't explain his plans, but at the same time, when he called Bush out for not having any plans for the future, and his plans in Iraq failing, Bush never had a good rebuttal, or stated what his plans are. Even though a lot do know his stances, many undecided voters probably don't. The problem is, Kerry has to present an alternative to Bush. Bush can run on a record and will do fine. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry got on base, but hasn't scored yet. It is in the next debate that he really needs to pick up votes. He only needed to stay competitive in the terrorism issue, and he did that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 1, 2004 For the next debate, I think Bush needs to stop looking so pissed when Kerry is making his statements. On the other hand, Kerry REALLY needs to stop with all the 'Nam and JFK references. This next debate may tell the conclusion in November if Bush can come out strong in the next one and finish the job. The next two debates, if history is an indication, don't matter. The first one is the big one. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry repeating Bush in each of his rebuttals took away most 'points' he might have scored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest TDinDC1112 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Bush looked like he didn't want to be there. He was shlumped over the podium, and making absurd faces when Kerry was speaking. Kerry won, but not by a landslide or anything like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreatWhiteNope 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 I have CNN on as background noise, and I'm like "Ross Perot?" I turn around and Ann Richards is on the screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rob E Dangerously 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Bush talking over Lehrer was interesting as well. As for Bush's statement about the intelligence.. Bush drank 10 beers Kerry drank 10 beers Bush was driving the car and crashed So I guess Kerry was to blame for drinking too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Kerry obviously didn't have a problem with the intel, so yeah he might share in the responsibilty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Interesting point about Kerry's comment on Kyoto: Kerry voted against the Kyoto Protocols. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
therealworldschampion 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 The problem is, Kerry has to present an alternative to Bush. Bush can run on a record and will do fine. Therein lies Kerry's mistake tonight, not getting the fuck off criticizing and 'Nam/JFK references and instead revealing his plan. You're right about Bush, he can run on his record. Kerry on the other hand has to lure the undecideds with an actual plan, not just the same old criticism. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 I caught the last half hour of the debate; I don't believe either of them won, but Kerry did appear to be alot less wooden and dare I say possessing of some personality in his deliveries. I just hope the other debates are more interesting. The VP debate will be much better than this, I believe. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 This is absolutely hilarious. Bush did a _bad_ job debating. The guy had so many flubs and dumbfoudned looks that it honestly look like he came unprepared. Kerry showed up game and he made Bush look even worse. Anybody who views this as a blowout for either side is just really bad at analysis. -=Mike Holy Irony Batman. I had 5 pages of notes regarding almost everthing they said. Is that scientific method? No. Can I at least refer to something specific and have actual reasoning for why I think Kerry blew GW out of the water? Yes. I love how some folks here are trying to spin this as GWB could have came out dressed as Bin Ladin humping the American flag and if Kerry didn't state everything about his plan 100% perfectly, it's considered a loss for the Democrats. Jesus fucking Christ, this place is nuts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Man if you think Kerry was game here tonight I got a good time-share deal in Fallujah for you................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Rudo, I don't care if you have 10 pages of notes. Your analysis is just plain bad. Having LOTS of bad stats to back up your bad analysis does not make your bad analysis less bad. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Well, I saw the debate on tape and all I can say is this. I STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL KERRY STANDS FOR!?!?! What the hell are his plans? I know Bush's plans, they aren't great but at least I know them. God, are Kerry's plans in a hidden manilla envelope somewhere!??! Who won? I don't think either of them won. Kerry stayed alive but I still have no real clue what the hell he stands for. I really don't. Guess I'm still Cobb or Nader. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Hell I approve of voting for Nader for the same reason, at least people that vote for Nader (or Cobb or Badnarik) are actually voting FOR him.................... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Okay, now that I've read the thread: A) I think it's pretty clear that Bush doesn't plan to stop wrapping the Iraq war in the rhetoric of September 11th. Anybody who goes on about "September 10th thinking" or whatever with Iraq immediately loses points with me, but that's nothing new to Bush. His words about how "we'll have a strong coalition as long as I'm President" and "we're on the road to peace with me as President" and so on was not only a reverse (and softer) strategy of Dick Cheney's we're-gonna-get-hit-again speech, but was downright laughable. As though he is the glue holding the world together. The only way Bush brings the world together is in one message: Get Lost. B) Bush was losing his cool. He often began speaking his rebuttal before the moderator could tell him of his time and ask him to begin. C) Some of you guys are confusing your opinions with universal fact. The importance of a world community is a debatable issue, and you aren't automatically right. Certainly, in most every other country, the voice that a world community is worthless and needs to be abolished a lot smaller than it is in this country. I don't know where it said America can't work with the rest of the world. We can, we just need to be more humble and not throw our weight around as much as we have in the past few years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cbacon 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 IT'S HARD WORK~!@! Indeed, Mr. Bush. Indeed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Wow the above two posts really told me.............................. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Rudo, I don't care if you have 10 pages of notes. Your analysis is just plain bad. Having LOTS of bad stats to back up your bad analysis does not make your bad analysis less bad. -=Mike Irony again! Kerry was MUCH more fluid in speaking, much more confident, much more poised, he counter attacked and attacked with much more ferocity than Bush, he had much better 'one-liners', he showed more focused points and direction than Bush. I went in not thinking much about either guy. Kerry looked much, much better than Bush here. Meanwhile, you hold Kerry to incredible scrutiny while letting Bush of the hook. Who's analysis is bad here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 I also want to mention that it's impossible for a candidate to explain an exit strategy in two minutes or less. This is not a set it and forget it oven or even six minute abs. That kind of detail will never be popular as long as the majority of Americans prefer soundbytes over policy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2GOLD 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Bush did lose his cool but Kerry NEVER went for the kill. The door was open and Kerry STILL didn't do it. I mean, Bush left the door wide open and Kerry just didn't go for it. It was like Bush fumbled on the one yard line three times and Kerry was happy to settle for field goals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Anybody who goes on about "September 10th thinking" or whatever with Iraq immediately loses points with me Oh damn, I don't know how I'll be able to live without Jobber's points. That said, yours is 9/10 thinking at its' worst. He often began speaking his rebuttal Once=often? Some of you guys are confusing your opinions with universal fact The PKB thing is rather old but is necessary here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jobber of the Week 0 Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Oh damn, I don't know how I'll be able to live without Jobber's points. That said, yours is 9/10 thinking at its' worst. And you've never said anything of content aside from attacking other posters. Once=often No, not once. Probably about five times. EDIT: Now that I figured out what "PKB" meant, are you telling me that there are other countries out there that prefer to snub the rest of the world on such a scale? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 1, 2004 Oh damn, I don't know how I'll be able to live without Jobber's points. That said, yours is 9/10 thinking at its' worst. And you've never said anything of content aside from attacking other posters. Hopefully PKB will hang around long enough for its' intended use. BTW: PKB applied to your whine about 'confusing opinion with universal fact'. Try reading next time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
