JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2004 "IT WAS ME, AUSTIN! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG!!!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Open the Muggy Gate 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2004 It took the second page to talk about the Higher Power shit... wow... Scott Steiner turning on Stacy Kiebler and joining Test kinda cofuzzled me. And Angle turning on the WWF in the Alliance angle a couple of weeks before Survivor Series. He then turned face and heel again all within a span of 24 hours at that show and during RAW the next night. Huh? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 4, 2004 " 1)Paul Heyman turns on Brock. 'You can't beat the Big Show, you can't F-5 him!'. Nevermind the fact he was on his way to doing each. Guess he meant 'I forbid you to beat Big Show' as opposed to can't as in not possible." Heyman sold his services to Show, convinced that the injured Lesnar had no shot of beating him. When Lesnar had the match one, Heyman saved his meal ticket and helped him win the title. Hell even from a kayfabe standpoint why would one go with Big Show over Brock? Jimmy Hart's heel turn on Hogan in 95 (speak of the devil--also including Big Show) which was accompanied by the 'I'll tell you all about it in my next book' promo on Nitro and Vince at WM 2000--which ALSO involved the Big Show match-wise anyway (I DON'T HAVE TO JUSTIFY MYSELF TO ANYONE OF YOU) were jarred from memory thanks to the preceding. I guess the lesson here is don't book angles with the Big Show Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2004 If vince really wanted show vs austin at wm 2000, then why did he have austin beat show clean two weeks before wm 15 on a live raw? aha you missed shows turn after he lost the wwf title to hhh, he got mad at rock after when they did the roster walkout to demand foley be reinstated, rock said he was gonna throw 29 jabronies out of the rumble. and show took offense to this. my fav part was when rock did a replay on the video screen of himn mocking show from different angles, "I have to give you credit show, you do one thing really well and that thing is uahahahahauauahhah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted October 4, 2004 how about vince and stephanie reuniting after the steph vs trish match at nwo 01. the next night vince books him and trish vs steph and regal then he turns on trish and pours a janitors mop thingy contents all over her. whats up? steph was hinting at faceness by being against her dad cheating on her mom (although she had clebrated the fact earleir when vince got full power due to linda being out of it) then they reunite AGAIN? i hate the mcmahons more turns then a ride at six flags Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 4, 2004 There's always Shane-O's turn of goodness declaring the Mean Street Posse vs Test/Steph war over. And then the next week, HHH starts picking on Linda (beating Eric Bischoff by almost four years in this dept) leading to the WRESTLINGMOMENTOF1999!~ Vince McMahon, WWF Champion. Guess it wasn't really a turn other than Austin (two months after fighting him to the death) dragging a beaten Vince on top of HHH--then again he did the same thing in Foley's title win. I'm shocked no one's mentioned Chyna's multiple turns yet. One minute she's with HHH=heel, one she's a face 'I am woman hear me roar' type setting examples for young females everywhere and facing Jarrett then Jericho. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ed Wood Caulfield 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2004 Yes, I do remember Chyna's multiple turns. She would even turn during one show! It got really confusing. I remember some crowds being confused by it. ::Chyna beats on Jarret:: Crowd: YEAH!!! ::Later during the SAME SHOW, Chyna helps HHH:: Crowd: Uh...BOOOOO! Good thing they finally had Chyna seperate from HHH (although there was no real reasoning behind that) so that it could be establish that she was now a face. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2004 Does anyone know what the point was of Shane McMahon signing Austin to a new contract (that included a title shot) so he could spite his dad, and then turning heel on Austin and joining Vince? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2004 To be a REALLY elaborate screwjob, I guess. I don't know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2004 In theory, it was to get Austin, who trusted no one and would suspect an easy Shane "swerve", to actually believe Shane was there to help during the Foley semi-final match. Of course, Shane fooled us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Promoter 0 Report post Posted October 5, 2004 Speaking of funny turns I think I'll put Austin's turn on the list. I mean seeing Austin trying to turn heel in Texas was funny as hell to me. The more he tried to get the fans to hate him the more they were cheering him. Of course, Austin's explanation the following night was nonsensical and I think they knew it beforehand which is why they threw Triple H into the mix. No one would like Austin for teaming up with the man who tried to KILL him now would they? Another funny thing in trying to get Austin over as a heel was the beatdown on JR. How funny was Vince Mcmahon saying "OPEN HIM UP, OPEN HIM UP"? It looked like Vince was getting an orgasm or something. How about Austin's other turn on the wwf and Vince Mcmahon because Vince showed more affection for Kurt Angle? Hollywood Hogan turn this was not Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 6, 2004 As he said in his book, he should have just made the call right then and there, and as JR would say in it as well, it was like trying to make John Wayne a Nazi, it wasn't gonna work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Rikishi's heel turn was pretty bad. "I did it for da Rock!" Of course, Triple H turning heel due to being the “mastermind” was also pretty bad. Also, having Triple H and Austin join forces made little sense. And the Big Show and the Dudley Boyz have switched alignments FAR too much. Why exactly did the Big Show come back as a babyface after he terrorized a woman and almost killed a man? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest GreatOne Report post Posted October 6, 2004 It was the 'I'm back' pop which certain people said would be diminished cause he was in the WWE ads for the RNC. HHH had no reason to be a face either but it just sorta happens. 'I HAVEN'T SEEN HIM ON TV, YAY!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 6, 2004 Vince turning out to be the Higher Power. Lamest thing ever! I'm still fuming about it today. Face Angle turning heel the SD following Armageddon, that was so dumb. I wish they didn't turn Brock face. It should have been face Angle facing a heel Brock at WM 19 instead with Brock getting back the title before the big PPV. All of Bret's turns in WCW, he turned so many times each week I lost count and my head almost exploded trying to figure out what was going on. Big Show's recent face turn. He comes back and puts Angle in a wheelchair for awhile after almost killing Kurt by throwing him off the balcony. And Angle jobs on the PPV. WTF? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Favorite nonsensical turn would probably be Christian on DDP after DDP had helped him end his losing streak. Christian wins his first match, starts celebrating, then out of the blue gives DDP the Unprettier for no reason at all. That has to be up there for one of the funniest turns ever. Christian had reasons. First off, he couldn't stand DDP's endless optimism and goofiness. Secondly, he hated the idea of being helped by someone as irritating as DDP and so he just decided to use DDP until he could win again. And third, he's a heel and a douchebag heel at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Twisted Intestine 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 I've got one word for you... Coach. No one ever cared about him! Why would they bother turning him!? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest JMA Report post Posted October 7, 2004 I've got one word for you... Coach. No one ever cared about him! Why would they bother turning him!? Well, I DO think Coach is better as a heel. The feud with JR was pretty bad, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Demolition/Mr Fuji/Powers of Pain at Survivor Series 88. I remember I was massively confused at this one (I was only 11, I guess). I couldn't work out if Fuji had become a face (or 'good guy' in 11 year old speak), or if Demolition had. After the turn, they continued the match as normal with the POP getting the clean win, which made it even more confusing. Does anybody know if Fuji ever give an explanation as to why he turned on Demo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ray Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Speaking of funny turns I think I'll put Austin's turn on the list. I mean seeing Austin trying to turn heel in Texas was funny as hell to me. The more he tried to get the fans to hate him the more they were cheering him. Of course, Austin's explanation the following night was nonsensical and I think they knew it beforehand which is why they threw Triple H into the mix. No one would like Austin for teaming up with the man who tried to KILL him now would they? They "threw Triple H into the mix" because he didn't want to turn face and some would say he wanted to sabotage Austin's heel turn to keep his spot as the top heel in the company. Looking at everything that happened I wouldn't argue against that. Austin's heel turn *at* Wrestlemania had plenty of reasons behind it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Coach. No one ever cared about him! Why would they bother turning him!? Well, I say it was the biggest shocker next to Lesnar almost dying, since nobody was expecting it. I was there when it was happening. I just saw someone hit Shane with the the chair, I was OMFG COACH TURNED HEEL! Nobody really liked Coach in the past couple of years and the whole JR deal made him look bad and I guess because he seemed like an annoying guy, so they just went with the crowd reaction and it just totally came out of left field since Coach was there at first interviewing one of the fans. Edit: I agree about Austin turning heel at Wrestlemania, everybody expected him to win, but turning him heel by joining forces with McMahon was totally unexpected and I don't think anyone saw it coming and I feel it ended better like that instead of another one of those Austin wins the title again, (sarcastic) yay moments. The ending of WM 17 is still one of the greatest WM moments of all. Oh yeah, the Angle - Austin double turn the night following SSeries 01 was fucking retarded. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 at first I thought Rikishis turn was interesting. Being that it was a mildy racist thing at first. It made you think and actually you couldnt blame him for his rationale. I think the reason Rikishi was revealed as the man who hit austin was that the WWF wanted to surprise the fans they didnt want to go with the obvious dx/hhh. So they turn Rikishi and the fans take a crap on that, wwf thinks ok they dont liek a surprise so well give them want they want. HHHS turn at wm 15 I thought was poorly planned as there were no clues beforehand. I guess he joined the corporation cuz he was tired of foolin around and wnted to be the champ for once and not a mid-card goofball. Im just saying if there was a slight clue beforehand it would have worked much better. anyway, the turn killed his heat and he didnt get over completely until foley did it for him. and as for the austin-angle thing, well I guess the alliance era was over and we had woken up from the bizzaro world dream of the past 4 months. i mean thats how they basically treated it. within days, there was no more mention of what had happened for the past months Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mecha Mummy 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 I've got one word for you... Coach. No one ever cared about him! Why would they bother turning him!? Because he's a terrible face, but a fairly effective heel? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Australian Pride 0 Report post Posted October 7, 2004 Speaking of funny turns I think I'll put Austin's turn on the list. I mean seeing Austin trying to turn heel in Texas was funny as hell to me. The more he tried to get the fans to hate him the more they were cheering him. Of course, Austin's explanation the following night was nonsensical and I think they knew it beforehand which is why they threw Triple H into the mix. No one would like Austin for teaming up with the man who tried to KILL him now would they? They "threw Triple H into the mix" because he didn't want to turn face and some would say he wanted to sabotage Austin's heel turn to keep his spot as the top heel in the company. Looking at everything that happened I wouldn't argue against that. Austin's heel turn *at* Wrestlemania had plenty of reasons behind it. I'm not 100% sure, but I thought the pre-quad tear plan was for HHH to turn face, after losing both his titles (IC and tag) in consecutive nights and Stone Cold/Vince thinking he was a weak link. The role reversal HHH/SC feud was then going to carry them through the summer months while Rock was away, but instead they had to rush the WCW angle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gary Floyd 0 Report post Posted October 8, 2004 I can't believe you guys seem to have forgotten Goldberg's nonsensical heel turn. I think the only reason Russo had it done was because it was susposed to be a surprise. Too bad for him that no one, not even the most strident anti-semite in the world, would have bought it. And they didn't Share this post Link to post Share on other sites