Patterson gives notice?

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To the post asking about the Russo and Hart comments about Patterson's creative genius for match structure and finishes need to check the archives at their respective sites. That is where I read it and I don't know if it's still online.

 

To those who think Patterson leaving is not that big a deal and is similar to Russo leaving in 1999 should re-consider. Vince Mcmahon actually had Pat as his right hand man and the man he would go to when he wanted certain matches to succeed and to play out in a certain way. When Russo left in 1999, Vince Mcmahon was already putting a lot of veto on his ideas and was upset about Russo wanting some big chunk of shares in the company. Actually, Russo was friggin terrible in 1999(post WM 15 things started to suck) and Vince probably knew it as well which is why he started to veto his stuff. Russo did however at least have the pulse on what CAN work which is why coming to wcw made waves. You got to remember how terrible wcw was becoming and Russo had also ran out of his best stuff in the wwe. The talk was he would rejuvenate himself in wcw with people thinking he would do stuff like the nWo properly since he done the Austin/Vince saga well(right up until the end of an era match).

 

Vince Mcmahon was on point back then for knowing when to stop Russo's crap and he isn't now and his right hand man is telling him his judgement to overpush Triple H is the big problem. I mean does anyone honestly believe if Triple H had the same relatinship with Vince Mcmahon in 1997-1998 that he wouldn't have been de-pushed already since flopping with the mainstream in 2002? You saw how Vince Mcmahon trounced Bret Hart for not bringing in the business in 1997 after only ONE YEAR of the multi-year contract. You saw what he did in 1993 with Hulk Hogan for failing to bring in the business as well. A farewell match where he basically got squashed by Yokozuna. However, this same Hulk Hogan returns in 2002 and has more babyface heat than Triple H, but Trips is still pushed as the centre piece on raw. Why was it only Jericho depushed after that debacle of a "main event" at WM 18?

 

Steve Austin in 2002 sickened by the politics of Triple H along with other things walked out. The Rock is well documented even in mainstream media for taking jabs at the politics of Triple H without naming any names. Does anyone truly believe if Trips wasn't a relative Vince would take him over his two biggest stars of the last boom? I'm actually a Trips fan for the most part, but he IS overpushed and the company is based too much around him. What was the purpose of Benoit making him tap out clean at Mania this year when Benoit is basically back in the same position he was before going to raw? Pat Patterson alone leaving won't be the death of the wwe, but look at all these things I'm mentioning and see if this is not damaging the company. Patterson talks negatively toward Triple H and all of a sudden he's retiring. Yeah, what a coincidence. Maybe he wanted to say that before he retired too who knows. All I can say is Verne Gagne 2004 folks.

[geniusMoment 0]

Since Patterson was only a consultant for the past 2 years there will be no difference. Patterson was not a full time employee, just someone who would occasionally give insight.

[cabbageboy 0]

I'm glad someone else hinted at what I said earlier: the WWF in 1999 wasn't so hot, especially late in the year. The WWF PPVs post WM 15 were fairly mediocre, with only SS being fairly decent. The wrestling itself was quite blech that year as well...I mean my god ECW likely had the strongest in ring product that year.

 

Also, when I suggest Russo enlivened WCW that was only for a couple of months. He came back in April 2000 along with Bischoff and livened it again for a month or two, but it was a short term deal.

[geniusMoment 0]

I remember really enjoying the first Nitro when Russo and Bischoff came back together. Then, shit began hitting fans.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Since Patterson was only a consultant for the past 2 years there will be no difference. Patterson was not a full time employee, just someone who would occasionally give insight.

Don't underestimate Patterson's influence. Not only does he have one of the best minds around for laying out a match, he was also a close ally of The Rock. With someone The Rock felt close to, and someone who shared his dislike of Triple H, being ousted, this will undoubtedly make The Rock feel even more wary of coming back to do something. When the loss of Patterson, who, in addition to having a great mind for wrestling, was also one of the few who could be totally honest with Vince, at least until now, things will change, and for the worse. Patterson's loss will be felt.

[deancoles 0]

I mean my god ECW likely had the strongest in ring product that year.

Apri 99 WCW was fun, they had a few good 20 minute matches,Psychosis won the CW Title,Raven/Saturn vs. Horsemen vs. Filthy Animals tag feud,the Flair asylum skits with that weird Scott Hall cameo and Charles Robinson imitating Flair.

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For anyone who cares (and I know there are many that don't), here's what Dave Meltzer had to say back in July about the influence HHH holds (a posting at wrestlingclassics):

 

He deserves more credit then he gets. Very good worker. Very hard worker. Works hard at house shows. Tries to make the product better, and often succeeds in doing so.

 

He deserves more blame than he gets. He is far more powerful than any of you realize. A writer recently said that while Vince has the ultimate final say so, and Stephanie is the head of the writing committee, everyone knows the person it's most important to please is HHH because he wields the power. The reason many people never reached their potential is because of him burying them at meetings. Jericho can't work for his first few years. There was even a Benoit can't work in 2000. I wish I could show you the cartoons (think Paul Winchell as HHH and Stephanie as Jerry Mahoney) drawn by those who were in the meetings and knew the real score.

 

Here is the point. For those who think bashing HHH is some sort of a sign of being a mark, actually the smartest people in wrestling in that company do it more than anyone because they know the power and where the decisions, both good and bad, come from. At the same time, he also does not get enough credit.

 

The world isn't black or white. He's neither angel nor devil. But aside from Vince, and maybe including Vince, he's more responsible than anyone for the overall direction not just of his character but of the ship itself.

[Guest wildpegasus]

There was even a Benoit can't work in 2000

 

 

I could never find it again but I thought I once read a quote about HHH saying "that Benoit can be carried to a good match." in an interview where HHH was playing the one setence word game about several wrestlers that Off the Record likes to do. Does anyone know where that interview is?

[snuffbox 0]

All I can say is Verne Gagne 2004 folks.

Sad but, quite possibly, true.

[Jericholic82 0]

when all of the raw roster finally has enough and threatens to walk en masse, maybe then Vince will get some sense into his head.

 

 

Lately I have been off the whole hhh bashing thing and trying to enjoy the product as is and I have, but this is freakin insane.

 

why does Trips want to be on top all the time, I mean hes gonna get a big check no matter what since he is in the family now, come on. I agree that he is over enough to be a main eventer but the booking should not just focus on him.

 

but then again net favs like benoit and guerrero didnt draw much on top so I guess you cant blame wwe for thinking that they arent worth the push.

 

 

as I said, I am trying to stay away from the whole backsateg rumor mill but this is too big to ignore. Good for you Pat, take a stand, at least you can retire with dignity (well as much as he can have left after the hardcore evening gown match of 00)