Guest MikeSC Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 I think colleges love nothing more than to waste money. My friend works at the Ohio State library and it's insane what they'll pay for a science journal subscription. I mean there's no need to drop 10k on 5 journals that 4 students will need a few times. Hell, how much do they spend on assorted speakers? I know Moore is about $30K a pop, I doubt the other big names used are less than $20K. -=Mike
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 I know Ohio U. spent an assload of money to release a ton of squirrels onto campus to look more like Harvard. Of course the damned things attack people now.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Title IX needs some reworking too as that leeches a lot of money as well. But that could easily be fixed if you don't include college football.
Rob E Dangerously Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 More than likely, the idea was shelved due to the possible costs. It wasn't mentioned anywhere other than the site, so it was something on the bubble, ideas-wise.
NoCalMike Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Wait, am I reading something wrong here, or was this thing about COMMUNITY SERVICE? Ala, planting trees, or picking up trash on the road, or feeding the homeless....etc? Where does it say military service?So what does this have to do with a draft? My highschool required Seniors to do 8 hours of community service. What is the big deal here?
Rob E Dangerously Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 NoCalMike, Your high school was evil. And John Kerry is the first candidate to ever change an idea during a campaign
snuffbox Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 And John Kerry is the first candidate to ever change an idea during a campaign Thats only if youre not reading lips...
Guest Cerebus Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Wait, am I reading something wrong here, or was this thing about COMMUNITY SERVICE? Ala, planting trees, or picking up trash on the road, or feeding the homeless....etc? Where does it say military service?So what does this have to do with a draft? My highschool required Seniors to do 8 hours of community service. What is the big deal here? I hate to do it, but let's play role reversal. Bush puts up something on his website very similar to Kerry's. You really don't think this would be everywhere like the Pentagon posting about filling up draft board positions on the internet were (which, by the way, have been empty since 1999 when the 20-year term limit for those positions began to hit) with the Chicken Littles screaming "THE DRAFT IS COMING THE DRAFT IS COMING!" Hell, they turned Stop-Loss into speculation about a new draft even though the military has been using it since the Gulf War I.
NoCalMike Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Wait, am I reading something wrong here, or was this thing about COMMUNITY SERVICE? Ala, planting trees, or picking up trash on the road, or feeding the homeless....etc? Where does it say military service?So what does this have to do with a draft? My highschool required Seniors to do 8 hours of community service. What is the big deal here? I hate to do it, but let's play role reversal. Bush puts up something on his website very similar to Kerry's. You really don't think this would be everywhere like the Pentagon posting about filling up draft board positions on the internet were (which, by the way, have been empty since 1999 when the 20-year term limit for those positions began to hit) with the Chicken Littles screaming "THE DRAFT IS COMING THE DRAFT IS COMING!" Hell, they turned Stop-Loss into speculation about a new draft even though the military has been using it since the Gulf War I. Well I suspect that perhaps some folks would play out the scenario you just laid out, however the problem is, it says right there in the original post that Kerry is talking about Community Service.
CheesalaIsGood Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 I would like to voice my support for the dance off.
Rob E Dangerously Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 How about Bush faces Kerry on the set of American Gladiators?
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 So what is the problem with mandatory community service? High schools in Ontario require forty before high school is done as well. I didn't see anything about military service, correct me if I'm wrong which I very well could be.
Your Paragon of Virtue Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 OH MY GOODNESS I JUST READ THAT HE WANTS TO PICK UP THE COLLEGE TAB FOR EVERY PERSON WHO SERVES THE COUNTRY! THAT MONSTER~!!!!!!
treble Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 So what is the problem with mandatory community service? High schools in Ontario require forty before high school is done as well. Yeah, thankfully I got out before that was implemented.
therealworldschampion Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Yeah I know about colleges being little more than businesses. Mikey cost $30K to come and speak at my school (*cheapshot*not including food bills) and the school is low on money anyways because of all the idiotic construction that goes on daily.
Guest Salacious Crumb Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 That just blows my mind. Who other than former Presidents are worth that kind of money?
Guest Vitamin X Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Whoops did I say Bush, I really meant John "Backdoor Draft" Kerry. Oh no! It looks like the link is down! Could it be because it would hurt Kerry's chance to wallow in the condesending demagoguery of scaring young people from voting for the Draft Loving Bush? Nah. Don't worry though, you can read the real deal here. As part of his 100 day plan to change America, John Kerry will propose a comprehensive service plan that includes requiring mandatory service for high school students and four years of college tuition in exchange for two years of national service. MANDATORY SERVICE FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS * Service Should Be a Graduation Requirement: John Kerry believes that knowledge of the rights and responsibilities of citizenship - including the duty to serve your community - are as important to American adults as knowing how to read and do math. Combined with a curriculum that teaches students about democracy, citizenship and civic participation, this high school service requirement will be a rite of passage for every young person in the country. As President, John Kerry will ensure that every high school student in America does community service as a requirement for graduation. Amongst all the rampant speculation in this thread, NOWHERE in that statement does the word "military" or anything related to a draft or service appear. This is all right-wing overreaction. I can almost picture you guys jumping up and down rushing to the CE folder and pointing fingers at Kerry over this piece of information which is practically nothing if you actually read it. Community service is already required in many high schools as a requisite for graduation. Kerry just wants to make it so more schools do it, which is a good deed and a nice commitment, regardless of how many teenagers would groan at the thought of having to do actual work. Also, in a slightly off-topic and kind of ironic twist to all this, I was driving by Miami Senior High on the way to my school the other day, and literally RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET from the high school was a group of State Prisoners cleaning up the streets (literally). I thought this was kind of funny for some reason.
Guest Vitamin X Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 Wait, am I reading something wrong here, or was this thing about COMMUNITY SERVICE? Ala, planting trees, or picking up trash on the road, or feeding the homeless....etc? Where does it say military service?So what does this have to do with a draft? My highschool required Seniors to do 8 hours of community service. What is the big deal here? I hate to do it, but let's play role reversal. Bush puts up something on his website very similar to Kerry's. You really don't think this would be everywhere like the Pentagon posting about filling up draft board positions on the internet were (which, by the way, have been empty since 1999 when the 20-year term limit for those positions began to hit) with the Chicken Littles screaming "THE DRAFT IS COMING THE DRAFT IS COMING!" Hell, they turned Stop-Loss into speculation about a new draft even though the military has been using it since the Gulf War I. The answer to this is simple. Bush is the President of the United States, and is in a position where he needs to defend his policies and ideals more than attack Kerry's, since Bush is the one trying to keep his job, not Kerry. We don't know what Kerry is capable or incapable of doing other than what he's said as President of the United States, while we obviously know what Bush has and can do. Next topic, please.
BX Posted October 12, 2004 Report Posted October 12, 2004 I know Ohio U. spent an assload of money to release a ton of squirrels onto campus to look more like Harvard. Of course the damned things attack people now. Deliciously hilarious.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 You know, if this is all right-wing propaganda --- why did Kerry take it off of his web site? It just baffles me that one side hasn't ONCE uttered ANY desire for ANY required service of any sort and one side does --- but the one who is painted as "wanting a draft" is the former one. "It's just right-wing rage". Funny how many things fall into that. Political violence? Right-wing propaganda. Voter registration fraud (a big problem in CO)? Right-wing propaganda. -=Mike
Edwin MacPhisto Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Um, even the cached site address indicates that this was just an idea for a community service initiative. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/communityservice_high.html This doesn't even qualify as a non-story.
Guest MikeSC Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Um, even the cached site address indicates that this was just an idea for a community service initiative. http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/100days/communityservice_high.html This doesn't even qualify as a non-story. When compared to the "Bush wants a draft" stories --- it's bulletproof. -=Mike
Edwin MacPhisto Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 ...What are you talking about and how does it relate to the fact that you all foolishly thought this was important?
Guest MikeSC Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 ...What are you talking about and how does it relate to the fact that you all foolishly thought this was important? Cerebus pointed out that Bush is getting tarred with the "He wants a draft" story --- yet, only one candidate has ANY desire for mandatory service. That one isn't Bush. If Bush was wise, at the debate, he'd say that, if re-elected, he will never allow the Democrats to re-institute a draft. -=Mike
Edwin MacPhisto Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 But you are clear on the fact that this is about community service, right?
Guest MikeSC Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 But you are clear on the fact that this is about community service, right? I am clear that Kerry wants mandatory gov't service --- and it's not a huge stretch to go to OTHER things... -=Mike
Guest MikeSC Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Its not military service Mike.... It's far closer than anything Bush has stated or suggested... -=Mike
snuffbox Posted October 13, 2004 Report Posted October 13, 2004 Its not military service Mike.... It's far closer than anything Bush has stated or suggested... -=Mike Well I dont see a draft happening...it really is a moot point...why continue to discuss it? And this is clearly nothing as well...community service isnt a draft either. Further discussion of both meaningless topics is ridiculous.
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