Steve Harvey Revokes Eminem's 'Ghetto Pass,

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I just don't know why people are defending him over and over, especially blacks, when he did everything he could to appear white! Oh well............

Those crazy black people! Perhaps this has something to do with the fact that he has made amazing pop albums, and has nothing to do with his "weirdness". He's only been accused. He's messed up, I personally believe he did it, but he's only been accused, so it's not fair to use the pedophile thing against him, not that you should anyway. It's irrelevant to his music.

 

You can't point out a couple of bad songs he's had and use them against him, especially when they're not so much bad as they are, uhh, let's say lame. Talking about Jam and the song with Eddie (which is this, I've never heard of it, unless you're talking about "Party" which was actually Rick James but correct me here if I'm wrong).

 

You can't say MJ hasn't ruled since "Scream", because his time has passed obviously. In ten years when Em is no longer making music (I can only hope) or is not at the top, will the rapper of the moment be better since he is better at the time? What I'm saying is that Eminem now is not NEARLY as big as MJ was, so to use popularity as a method of showing who is better or "cooler" (I don't know what your point was about that anyway) is stupid.

 

MJ had great production from QJ, just like how Em would still be a piece of white trash if Dre hadn't saved his ass. Okay scratch that, he'd be a POOR piece of white trash if Dre hadn't picked him up. Point here is that there is more to the music then the pop star himself, and yes Eminem is a pop star. Apparently he has more input now, which would explain the progressive drop in quality in all of his albums. Lose Yourself sucked, who produced that? It was a cheesy anthemic riff player over and over again, I liked Dave Chappelle's version way better. "SPAGETTHI! SPAGHETTI!"

 

Who has more talent? The guy whose once "innovative" flow has become passe, or the guy who is known to have one of the best voices to ever shine in pop music? You wanna knock him for making a song about dunking a basketball? At least he isn't talking about cutting up his wife and trying to pass it off as "symbolism" or what such crap they use an excuse. At least with MJ, whatever heartfelt songs he might have had on his albums weren't negated by the fact that the next track was about "hardcore gangster" bullshit.

 

In short, MJ>>>Eminem.

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At least with MJ, whatever heartfelt songs he might have had on his albums weren't negated by the fact that the next track was about "hardcore gangster" bullshit.

 

In short, MJ>>>Eminem.

Hardcore gangster bullshit? That's just a rap stereotype. Em has had the best lyrics and delivery in rap since 2Pac. His only downfall are his pop songs, and the only one that has truly sucked, is the new one, which I can't even listen to.

 

Did MJ even write his own shit? I doubt it, but correct me if I am wrong. He is just as much a shined up, teach em to dance, and write their songs for em icon as New Kids On The Block, or Timberlake, or Spears ever were or are.

 

At least he was shined up till he started fucking with his face and skintone. He didn't even want to be recognized as black till his albums stopped selling and he blamed it on "racism". You don't have a race Michael. You've turned yourself into a noseless alien.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

JAxl has the worst taste in music, and I want to viciously break his face into a billion pieces for being so goddamn stupid. Are you deaf? Did you actually say Stan was better than anything Michael Jackson has ever recorded? Have you ever heard Billie Jean? Don't Stop 'til you get Enough? I fucking hate you, and will shit in your mouth and make you like it. Eminem better than Michael Jackson? You ignorant slut.

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Yep that's what I said. "Stan" better then anything MJ ever recorded. Brilliant even. Sample a love song, turn it into a song about an obsessed fan. What's "Billie Jean" about? Fucking a groupie? Jackson himself admitted he was scared of females and normal sex! "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough"? Probably more about fucking, which he has never experienced.

 

One is a phony, a perverted criminal phony even, and one is just a criminal. I'm right, you're wrong, blah blah blah.

 

When the sick fuck goes to jail, and all his secrets are revealed, I want apologies from all you MJ supporters.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Hardcore gangster bullshit? That's just a rap stereotype. Em has had the best lyrics and delivery in rap since 2Pac. His only downfall are his pop songs, and the only one that has truly sucked, is the new one, which I can't even listen to.

Earth to JAxl, EVERY song Eminem records is a pop song. He doesn't make rap music. Hate on 50 Cent, but at least that guy has credibility. He doesn't write N'Sync worthy hooks to draw in generic white boys who think they are bad ass into his music. Eminem has the best delivery in hip hop? I almost want to rip the hair out of my scalp. Have you heard of NAS? Jay-Z? Fuck, even Kanye flows better than Eminem. Although the glorification of Eminem via the propaghanda of Eminem died 2 years ago, your ignorance is barely keeping it alive. Yea, Em, you is so hardcore and can diss all the emcees.

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Granted, "Eminem Show" was more poppy. But if you've ever heard any of his stuff before he broke into the mainstream..........the guy can fuckin flow man. He can write his ass off too. Jay-Z is so much more pop then Em.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Yep that's what I said. "Stan" better then anything MJ ever recorded. Brilliant even. Sample a love song, turn it into a song about an obsessed fan. What's "Billie Jean" about? Fucking a groupie? Jackson himself admitted he was scared of females and normal sex! "Don't Stop Till You Get Enough"? Probably more about fucking, which he has never experienced.

 

One is a phony, a perverted criminal phony even, and one is just a criminal. I'm right, you're wrong, blah blah blah.

 

When the sick fuck goes to jail, and all his secrets are revealed, I want apologies from all you MJ supporters.

Giving due credit to Michael Jackson's Thriller has nothing to do with his current legal problems you delusional bastard.

 

And is anyone going to let this stand?

 

Stan in brilliant? He looped in someone elses song. Do you listen to hip hop, in fact, do you listen to music at all? Millions upon millions of people sing just as compelling songs, you just don't get them shoved down your throat on TRL. You've been indoctorinated by MTV, and this falsification of this crazy white dude.

 

And what has Michael Jackson done? Oh I don't know, JUST TRANSFORMED THE FACE POPULAR MUSIC!! Motherfucker I don't even like Michael Jackson, but you've made me defend him because of your downright stupidity. Michael Jackson is the motherfucking king of pop, bitch. Eminem is the king of acting thugged out and horrible parodies.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Jay-Z is so much more pop then Em.

You've shattered my heart into a billion pieces. I am about to convulse on the ground in agony. This conversation cannot go on, for my well being.

 

How about NAS?

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Stan in brilliant? He looped in someone elses song. Do you listen to hip hop, in fact, do you listen to music at all? Millions upon millions of people sing just as compelling songs, you just don't get them shoved down your throat on TRL. You've been indoctorinated by MTV, and this falsification of this crazy white dude.

 

And what has Michael Jackson done? Oh I don't know, JUST TRANSFORMED THE FACE POPULAR MUSIC!! Motherfucker I don't even like Michael Jackson, but you've made me defend him because of your downright stupidity. Michael Jackson is the motherfucking king of pop, bitch. Eminem is the king of acting thugged out and horrible parodies.

First off, I made the point of the fact that the guy has no idea what he is singing about. He is taking other people's ready made lyrics and using em. Big deal. Oh, he can dance? Big deal, guys like Usher, who I hate, put MJ to shame.

 

Secondly, I hate MTV. Nothing good has been on MTV, with the exception of Em probably, since like 1995. I listened to Em before he was ever on MTV. His album, "Infinite"? Yeah, I had it.

 

Let me know when that delusional child molester gets another "Artist Of The Millenium" award. Lol. He's a fraud, both musically and personally. And that's that.

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Jay-Z is so much more pop then Em.

You've shattered my heart into a billion pieces. I am about to convulse on the ground in agony. This conversation cannot go on, for my well being.

 

How about NAS?

Seems to be talented. I liked "One Mic" but I never really got into him.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Of course he speaks to you, you're a pretentious drunken lunatic who acts tougher and thugged out than you really are. Michael Jackson hasn't had a hit since 1996. But when did he get his first #1 hit? In the early 70's? Bitch, thats 20 FUCKING years on the top of the charts. Eminem's been around for 5 years. Do you understand the difference between the two? Admit you're biased and have absolutely no idea what you're talking about so we can quickly end this conversation.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

Jay-Z is so much more pop then Em.

You've shattered my heart into a billion pieces. I am about to convulse on the ground in agony. This conversation cannot go on, for my well being.

 

How about NAS?

Seems to be talented. I liked "One Mic" but I never really got into him.

Illmatic owns Em, 50, Guns N'Roses, The Doors, and everything else rapped up into a precious JAxl musical buffet of shit.

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20 years off of other people's material. Brilliant. (Man I hope I am not proved wrong on this one).

 

Like I said earlier, before you got all personally offended, the guy is just not my cup of tea. I hate his style of music, I hate him personally, and I hate the undeserving support he gets.

 

Em's style willl not last for 20 years of course. However, I can see him branching off into other styles, I mean, shit, his lyrics really are that good. I can't be the only one to see that.

 

I just doubt MJ had much input in anything he did, to me that means no talent.

 

But, lay off the caffeine. I don't see where the personal attacks come from. I like a little spirited debate. And I very much doubt I have ever acted "thugged out."

[Guest GreatOne]

I dunno, Em has owned the charts pretty much since his "arrival" and MJ hasn't had a serious hit since what, "Scream" or whatever the song with Janet was called?

But, but MJ had that video with Eddie Murphy and Iman as King and Queen, and he was trying to entertain them and not get fed to the lions, and he also had that song where Slash played guitar and Macaulay 'rapped', then there was that one video with Naomi Campbell.

 

Sure the most pub he's gotten in the last few years is thanks to himself (for the wrong reasons) and Chris Tucker, but he's Michael Jackson dammit!

 

OK I got nothin..........................

[Use Your Illusion 0]

The way I see it is, if Michael Jackson can go around, change the colour of his skin, grab his balls, dangle babies over apartment balconies & molest little children and get away with it, Eminem can do whatever the fuck he wants in his music videos.

You idiot.

 

Is Em out of ideas already or something? I'm hoping so.

[Guest Flyboy]

OMG... people hatin' on Em? It's okay, JAxl... you get used to it. Just drop it. And you can't really compare any of Eminem's or MJ's songs to each other simply because they are so different. Close case.

[Henry Spencer 0]

Jackson himself admitted he was scared of females and normal sex!

 

This is completely irrelevant to the quality of the song. Did Jim Morrison really kill his father and fuck his mother? No, but that doesn't make The End a bad song.

 

Of course, there are other factors that make The End a very, very bad song, but that's another debate for another thread.

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Jackson himself admitted he was scared of females and normal sex!

 

This is completely irrelevant to the quality of the song. Did Jim Morrison really kill his father and fuck his mother? No, but that doesn't make The End a bad song.

 

Based off of Oedipus, the Greek myth. Intelligent use of an old story into a song. C'mon now................

[Guest Shoes Head]

Eminem never had a "ghetto pass." He has a full time body double and spends $30,000+ per week in security.

[Guest Banders Kennany]

JAxl you sad drunken fuckass. Nobody will remember your glory god Em in five years, let alone six years. While Michael, he on the other hand is a timeless classic.

 

Thriller I beleive is the top selling album of all time and I KNOW it has at least gone triple diamond (that's 30 MILLION JAxl....I know math probably isn't your highpoint). Michael while he may have not had a hit here in a while, is beloved in many countries where Em is not even a blip on the radar.

 

Like Banky or whoever I think touched upon, you're a big, posering jockitch redneck bottle jockey. You're the kind of wannabe "tough guy" audience Em speaks to. Guys who aren't into rap because they don't like "black music" and guys that say his shit speaks to them because they're mysoginst nopbiodes who get off on who drank the bigger 40 or who's got the longer dick. You're not a rap guy, JAxl? Good, then that means you're not qualified to speak on rap and proclaim your precious Eminem the greatest em-cee of all time, no pun intended.

[Henry Spencer 0]

Based off of Oedipus, the Greek myth. Intelligent use of an old story into a song. C'mon now................

 

Yeah, and Billie Jean is based on the cliche of groupies claiming to be pregnant with rock stars' kids. So what?

 

You're completely missing the point.

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JAxl you sad drunken fuckass. Nobody will remember your glory god Em in five years, let alone six years. While Michael, he on the other hand is a timeless classic.

 

Thriller I beleive is the top selling album of all time and I KNOW it has at least gone triple diamond (that's 30 MILLION JAxl....I know math probably isn't your highpoint). Michael while he may have not had a hit here in a while, is beloved in many countries where Em is not even a blip on the radar.

 

Like Banky or whoever I think touched upon, you're a big, posering jockitch redneck bottle jockey. You're the kind of wannabe "tough guy" audience Em speaks to. Guys who aren't into rap because they don't like "black music" and guys that say his shit speaks to them because they're mysoginst nopbiodes who get off on who drank the bigger 40 or who's got the longer dick. You're not a rap guy, JAxl? Good, then that means you're not qualified to speak on rap and proclaim your precious Eminem the greatest em-cee of all time, no pun intended.

Not a rap guy? I am listening to fuckin "Bop Gun" by Ice Cube right now............

 

Anyways.............

 

A lot of people didn't figure 2Pac would be remembered either. Or Guns N Roses. Shit, even crap like Def Leppard or Ricky Martin are or will be remembered. Memories are selective, what's your point?

 

Thriller was a song about zombies. Very fucking creative. Let me say it again. Fucking zombies. Zombies. Where's the song about goblins? What about vampires?

 

Blah blah, "MJ is known all over the world where Eminem is not". Yeah, and for years in the 80s, Hulk Hogan was the most recognized American in the world. Your point?

 

I'm not into Eminem because of the toughact either. Songs where he tried to be hardass, like "Superman" or when he got ridiculously out of hand, and based his whole act on talking shit on D12's first album, where he shit on Limp Bizkit or DJ Lethal............crap. I prefer his "deeper" songs, like the ones I mentioned earlier. "Rock Bottom" is especially good.

 

And I do enjoy rap..........good rap. 2Pac, Em, old Death Row, Wu, and Biggie. I do not, however, appreciate shit music because MTV played the fuckin videos, or FOX, or whoever else supported that sick fuck. I hate dance, I hate club shit, and even at his best, all MJ's songs were like that. And the plastic surgery obsessed, child molesting fuck probably didn't even write them himself! Look, if you're gonna defend child stars like MJ (which was the last time he may have bee good) go set up a trust fund for Gary Coleman or Tiny Yothers.

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To me MJ will be remembered for his longer catalog of hits from he was with the Jackson 5 til now. Eminem doesn't have that kind of catalog but he will be remembered thou, unfortnunately as the G.O.A.T of rap once he outsells Pac in all time rap sales. I can see it coming *Shakes Head*

[Guest LL Cool M]

NAS>EMINEM

 

Prove me wrong.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

I did not think Feminem had a ghetto pass in the first place.

 

When your claim to fame is that you diss other people in your singles and then Clear Channel plays it to infinity and beyond, that's not really talent.

[lomasmoney 0]

Jay-Z is so much more pop then Em.

any credibility you have in regards to rap music just ran away with this statement

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

This Jaxl guy is a complete and total fucking retard.

 

to even call "Stan" a brilliant song is a complete joke. He looped a Pop song and added generic stalker lyrics that has been done a thousand times. MTV wanted us to believe this was a revolutionary concept, and you are the exact type who brought it.

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Yeah except, I listened to it way before it was made into a video. Nice try though. I never watch MTV, although you guys all fall back on the same insults when God forbid, someone has a different opinion then you.

 

And no one had anything to say about how his best selling album/song was about zombies. Every good point I have made has been ignored, and I keep getting the same sad, tired responses.

 

"JAxl doesn't agree with us! Let's call him a drunk! Wait no.........what about stupid! Yeah, that'll really shake him!"

 

Yawn.

[Guest The Winter Of My Discontent]

I'd say the alcohol has ruined your ability to detect good/bad music, yes.

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Zombies.