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Heinz Kerry Sorry for Laura Bush Comment

 

 

 

WASHINGTON (AP) - Teresa Heinz Kerry told a newspaper she doesn't know if Laura Bush has ever had ``a real job.'' She apologized Wednesday for having forgotten about the first lady's 10-year stint as a schoolteacher and librarian.

 

In an interview published Wednesday, USA Today asked the wife of Democratic candidate John Kerry if she would be different from Laura Bush as a first lady.

 

``Well, you know, I don't know Laura Bush. But she seems to be calm, and she has a sparkle in her eye, which is good,'' Heinz Kerry said. ``But I don't know that she's ever had a real job - I mean, since she's been grown up. So her experience and her validation comes from important things, but different things.''

 

Heinz Kerry said she sees her age as a benefit - she is 66 and Bush 57. ``I'm older, and my validation of what I do is a little bit bigger - because I'm older, and I've had different experiences. And it's not a criticism of her. It's just, you know, what life is about,'' she said.

 

 

Laura Bush worked in public schools in Texas from 1968 to 1977, the year she married George W. Bush.

 

 

In a statement issued Wednesday, Heinz Kerry said: ``I had forgotten that Mrs. Bush had worked as a school teacher and librarian, and there couldn't be a more important job than teaching our children. As someone who has been both a full-time mom and full-time in work force, I know we all have valuable experiences that shape who we are. I appreciate and honor Mrs. Bush's service to the country as first lady and am sincerely sorry I had not remembered her important work in the past.''

 

 

Earlier in the day, Karen Hughes, an adviser to President Bush, criticized Heinz Kerry's remarks as ``indicative of an unfortunate mind-set that seeks to divide women based on who works at home and who works outside the home.''

 

 

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THK will be all the fun of Hillary, only without the "She wants to be President" claims

Are you kidding? She wants to be dictator.

Hillary could be a dictator, unless you vote for John Kerry and make sure that Hillary won't be able to run until 2012! :lol:

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Of what possible relevance could it be whether or not Laura Bush has had a job???

 

Sounds to me like the Kerry camp is getting a bit desperate and panicking.

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I don't think you have any proof to say it's a campaign tactic.

 

Desperation.. nah.. if anything Kerry is getting some good momentum. I don't see any planned events that will have a huge impact on this election, but you never know about the unplanned.

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I don't think you have any proof to say it's a campaign tactic.

 

Desperation.. nah.. if anything Kerry is getting some good momentum. I don't see any planned events that will have a huge impact on this election, but you never know about the unplanned.

Umm, charing intimidation whether it happens or not, playing to a fear of a non-existant draft, etc --- are not known as moves done from a position of power.

 

Kerry's internal numbers CLEARLY are not good as he is simply throwing shit at the wall now.

-=Mike

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I don't think you have any proof to say it's a campaign tactic.

 

Desperation.. nah.. if anything Kerry is getting some good momentum. I don't see any planned events that will have a huge impact on this election, but you never know about the unplanned.

Umm, charing intimidation whether it happens or not, playing to a fear of a non-existant draft, etc --- are not known as moves done from a position of power.

 

Kerry's internal numbers CLEARLY are not good as he is simply throwing shit at the wall now.

-=Mike

negative internals would contradict a lot of recent poll results (which are narrow Bush leads or draws, both of which are not good for Bush).

 

There's a lot of firing going on. It's near the end of the campaign. It seems Bush is on the defensive due to some of this.

 

I'd imagine there'll be some stuff brought out by Bush's campaign soon. One post speculated on a "Battle of the Bulge"-ish idea, of throwing everything at Kerry, but I don't think there's signs of that happening right now

 

Teresa is Teresa.. I don't see her saying stuff like that as a campaign tactic. Reasonable people don't vote for a guy based on his wife. Teresa's probably never had to deal with such attention and such a need to "spin"

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negative internals would contradict a lot of recent poll results (which are narrow Bush leads or draws, both of which are not good for Bush).

 

There's a lot of firing going on. It's near the end of the campaign. It seems Bush is on the defensive due to some of this.

 

I'd imagine there'll be some stuff brought out by Bush's campaign soon. One post speculated on a "Battle of the Bulge"-ish idea, of throwing everything at Kerry, but I don't think there's signs of that happening right now

 

Teresa is Teresa.. I don't see her saying stuff like that as a campaign tactic. Reasonable people don't vote for a guy based on his wife. Teresa's probably never had to deal with such attention and such a need to "spin"

I can't think of a poll where Bush has not gained ground over the last week. Not one. In fact, his AVERAGE score on realclearpolitics is nearly at the margin of error for reputable polls (in the 3.5-4% area). The polls are going south for Kerry.

 

Right now, as Dick Morris pointed out, Bush trapped Kerry. His claims of Kerry being a flip-flopper forced Kerry to take a stand.

 

That stand ended up allowing Bush to refer to him as a liberal, and Kerry is powerless to do much about it or, bam, he's a flip-flopper again.

 

So, Kerry is going with race-baiting, draft scare tactics, and lying about Bush's Social Security plan, which are, save the draft, the usual Democratic scare tactics when they're not doing well.

 

HOWEVER, to his benefit, Kerry has done one brilliant thing: He's made ads for the press to cover, but never airs them. It's happened more than a few times that Kerry leaked ads to the media, getting coverage of them from papers like the Washington Post et al --- but he didn't pay one red dime to get them aired.

 

A little sneaky --- but brilliant, since it relies on the guaranteed laziness of the press by giving them a story.

-=Mike

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Another example of a story that no one will care about in oh, about 1 second. Sure it is stupid, but no one is talking about this, no one is voting because of what Mrs. Kerry says or doesn't say. Quite Frankly, NO ONE CARES.

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I can't think of a poll where Bush has not gained ground over the last week. Not one.

Several polls over the last week:

 

TIPPs

Last Wednesday: 47-44 Bush

Today: 47-46 Bush

 

Zogby

10/13: 45-45

10/20: 46-46

 

ABC/WaPo

10/13: 49-48 Bush

10/20: 50-47 Bush

 

Rasmussen:

10/13: 47.6-46.2 Bush

10/20: 48.3-46.9 Bush

 

Well, if you said "Bush isn't losing ground", that would be true too. The ABC poll was also at 50-47 last Tuesday.

 

I guess the glass is half full

 

In fact, his AVERAGE score on realclearpolitics is nearly at the margin of error for reputable polls (in the 3.5-4% area).

 

Unless there's good news for Bush tomorrow, that RCP margin will drop tomorrow.

 

The polls are going south for Kerry.

 

BaghdadB.jpg

"The truth is, we will slaughter them all"

 

Right now, as Dick Morris pointed out, Bush trapped Kerry. His claims of Kerry being a flip-flopper forced Kerry to take a stand.

 

Forcing Hillary to step into the race as a replacement fulfilling the destiny of the ages and all.

 

That stand ended up allowing Bush to refer to him as a liberal, and Kerry is powerless to do much about it or, bam, he's a flip-flopper again.

 

At least he's not calling Kerry a bozo and Edwards crazy. At this moment.

 

This is coming from the school of "Liberal equals evil radical" although the only Kerry response I recall is that Bush is using labels. There's more that could be done, but I don't see it as too much of a harm.

 

So, Kerry is going with race-baiting

 

Feel free to link that back to reality.

 

I'm pretty sure that involves a Church in Florida.

 

draft scare tactics

 

but this wouldn't be going on if the notion wasn't so absurd.

 

and lying about Bush's Social Security plan, which are, save the draft, the usual Democratic scare tactics when they're not doing well.

 

Mmhmm

 

HOWEVER, to his benefit, Kerry has done one brilliant thing: He's made ads for the press to cover, but never airs them.

 

Never airs them..

 

Uh huh.

 

As opposed to 'waiting until they are aired'

 

I'd imagine there's some minor changes that are made before such an ad can air. There's still 12 days. Never say Never.

 

A little sneaky --- but brilliant, since it relies on the guaranteed laziness of the press by giving them a story.

 

Both sides exploit the press in their own ways.

 

Sorta like how Bush gets national TV coverage for a few stump speeches (such as one that was two weeks ago and the one in New Jersey) by calling them "Major Addresses"

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I only read about this (I've been withdrawn from politics lately) tonight and chuckled.

 

I don't know if she really didn't know or not, I figured she did know and still thought it was great.

 

But then again, I personally have no interest in "homemaker first, career second" women. Get some ideals and dreams and aim higher.

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In fact, his AVERAGE score on realclearpolitics is nearly at the margin of error for reputable polls (in the 3.5-4% area).

 

Unless there's good news for Bush tomorrow, that RCP margin will drop tomorrow.

And if it doesn't?

 

I suppose I can start unloading Baghdad Bob pics on you soon enough.

The polls are going south for Kerry.

 

BaghdadB.jpg

"The truth is, we will slaughter them all"

Don't worry --- when Bush wins, I will be BEYOND obnoxious about it.

Right now, as Dick Morris pointed out, Bush trapped Kerry. His claims of Kerry being a flip-flopper forced Kerry to take a stand.

Forcing Hillary to step into the race as a replacement fulfilling the destiny of the ages and all.

That's some solid analysis there, Robbie. :rolleyes:

That stand ended up allowing Bush to refer to him as a liberal, and Kerry is powerless to do much about it or, bam, he's a flip-flopper again.

At least he's not calling Kerry a bozo and Edwards crazy. At this moment.

 

This is coming from the school of "Liberal equals evil radical" although the only Kerry response I recall is that Bush is using labels. There's more that could be done, but I don't see it as too much of a harm.

He doesn't need to insult Edwards, as Boy Wonder is enough of a joke without the help.

 

Kerry has had to make left-wing stands --- and like it or not, liberal does not equal electable in the US. Hasn't for years and unlikely ever will again.

So, Kerry is going with race-baiting

Feel free to link that back to reality.

 

I'm pretty sure that involves a Church in Florida.

Let me guess, you've missed the whole "voter intimidation" shit the Dems have unloaded, right?

draft scare tactics

but this wouldn't be going on if the notion wasn't so absurd.

So, it's OK for Kerry to lie about Bush wanting a draft --- and I know people who BUY that load --- because the notion is "absurd"?

 

THAT'S a defense?

and lying about Bush's Social Security plan, which are, save the draft, the usual Democratic scare tactics when they're not doing well.

Mmhmm

Missed Kerry's "Bush has a January surprise for you" speech, eh?

HOWEVER, to his benefit, Kerry has done one brilliant thing: He's made ads for the press to cover, but never airs them.

Never airs them..

 

Uh huh.

 

As opposed to 'waiting until they are aired'

 

I'd imagine there's some minor changes that are made before such an ad can air. There's still 12 days. Never say Never.

Except that they were mentioned MONTHS ago.

 

For his credit, not a single ad the press has mentioned about Bush has Bush failed to air.

 

Kerry has held ads off the air, solely aiming for media coverage.

 

Brilliant tactic on his part --- but sleazy.

A little sneaky --- but brilliant, since it relies on the guaranteed laziness of the press by giving them a story.

Both sides exploit the press in their own ways.

 

Sorta like how Bush gets national TV coverage for a few stump speeches (such as one that was two weeks ago and the one in New Jersey) by calling them "Major Addresses"

Little difference between a major address and a TV ad that Kerry has no intention of airing.

-=Mike

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John's wife scares me more than John Ashcroft. It scares me even more when I realize how much Mr. Kerry listens to this crazy bat.

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and the latest is that Laura said that Teresa didn't need to apologize.

 

And if it doesn't?

 

I suppose I can start unloading Baghdad Bob pics on you soon enough.

 

well, it turns out that RCP will drop five of those polls tomorrow.

 

And you have topped me for wrong predictions, big time Michael Nostradamus.

 

Don't worry --- when Bush wins, I will be BEYOND obnoxious about it.

 

Yep. Compared to now, that'll be a sight.

 

That's some solid analysis there, Robbie.  :rolleyes:

 

I resist the power of Dick Morris

 

He doesn't need to insult Edwards, as Boy Wonder is enough of a joke without the help.

 

Mmhmm.. right

 

Kerry has had to make left-wing stands --- and like it or not, liberal does not equal electable in the US. Hasn't for years and unlikely ever will again.

 

(copies and pastes previous response)

 

Let me guess, you've missed the whole "voter intimidation" shit the Dems have unloaded, right?

 

and that is race-baiting?

 

I guess you'd know it when you see it.

 

So, it's OK for Kerry to lie about Bush wanting a draft --- and I know people who BUY that load --- because the notion is "absurd"?

 

No.. if it were, then it wouldn't be a claim made by the Presidential candidate.

 

I'm pretty sure he's mentioned it since Saturday. But, I could be wrong.

 

Missed Kerry's "Bush has a January surprise for you" speech, eh?

 

At best, that's a poor choice of words.

 

Pew did swing towards Kerry with voters over 50, there's more than just that one speech.

 

Except that they were mentioned MONTHS ago.

 

For his credit, not a single ad the press has mentioned about Bush has Bush failed to air.

 

*claps*

 

Kerry has held ads off the air, solely aiming for media coverage.

 

Brilliant tactic on his part --- but sleazy.

 

Everybody gets credit from Mike!

 

"Kerry is brilliant for doing that, Bush is good since he didn't"

 

Are you on the happy juice Mike? :lol:

 

Little difference between a major address and a TV ad that Kerry has no intention of airing.

 

a Major address..

 

one short word count from the major Terrorism address from New Jersey

 

"Frequency of John Kerry (with the terms "Senator", "Senator Kerry", or "my opponent"): 41

Frequency of "Saddam Hussein": 4

Frequency of "Al Qaeda": 1

Frequency of "Osama bin-Laden" or "bin-Laden": 0"

 

maybe Bush knows something that we don't about Kerry

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You know, Rob, You'd make a great MikeSC if you didn't suck at it.

 

Stick to doing what you do best, which is -- oh hell, I'll admit it. I like your bringing-up-old-posts gimmick. That bit you sent me on John Kerry was funny...

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and the latest is that Laura said that Teresa didn't need to apologize.

Because, unlike Teresa, Laura has, you know, class.

 

And she's also had a REAL job, unlike Teresa.

And if it doesn't?

 

I suppose I can start unloading Baghdad Bob pics on you soon enough.

 

well, it turns out that RCP will drop five of those polls tomorrow.

 

And you have topped me for wrong predictions, big time Michael Nostradamus.

Kerry loses. Comfortably. That was my prediction early on and it continues.

 

Kerry is not doing well.

Let me guess, you've missed the whole "voter intimidation" shit the Dems have unloaded, right?

and that is race-baiting?

 

I guess you'd know it when you see it.

Accusing Bush of trying to suppress the black vote isn't race-baiting?

 

So, outside of lynching somebody, what WOULD constitute race-baiting, in your eyes?

 

Or would even lynching hit the treshold?

So, it's OK for Kerry to lie about Bush wanting a draft --- and I know people who BUY that load --- because the notion is "absurd"?

 

No.. if it were, then it wouldn't be a claim made by the Presidential candidate.

 

I'm pretty sure he's mentioned it since Saturday. But, I could be wrong.

Ah, so ANYTHING a candidate brings up isn't absurd because, well, a Presidential candidate claims it's so?

 

Got it.

 

Interesting honesty test ya got there.

Missed Kerry's "Bush has a January surprise for you" speech, eh?

At best, that's a poor choice of words.

 

Pew did swing towards Kerry with voters over 50, there's more than just that one speech.

Never mind that it was, you know, A LIE. An outright and rather blatant lie.

 

Then again, Kerry blamed Bush for the 17% increase in premiums that the plan HE (Kerry) voted for required.

 

But, I suppose, he voted against it before he voted for it --- or something.

"Frequency of John Kerry (with the terms "Senator", "Senator Kerry", or "my opponent"): 41

Frequency of "Saddam Hussein": 4

Frequency of "Al Qaeda": 1

Frequency of "Osama bin-Laden" or "bin-Laden": 0"

 

maybe Bush knows something that we don't about Kerry

Well, according to you, it'd have to be true, since a candidate made the claim. It clearly can't be absurd using your logic.

 

I know, the concept that terrorism is more than Al Qaeda, OBL, or Saddam is a tough concept to grasp --- but do try.

-=Mike

...Who'd to a long post on your former posts --- if I cared enough to read your old posts...

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AP Poll Shows Kerry/ Bush Deadlock

 

Kerry loses. Comfortably. That was my prediction early on and it continues.

 

Kerry is not doing well.

 

I guess if you keep saying it, it could one day come true.

Current head-to-head average: Bush up by 3.3

 

Again, WMD, you're really bad at this whole analysis thing.

-=Mike

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Notice, I didn't analyze anything. I just posted an article - one that contradicts what you are saying. Argue with AP if you like, I didn't do the study.

 

And before the debates, Bush was up what, 12%?

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Notice, I didn't analyze anything. I just posted an article - one that contradicts what you are saying. Argue with AP if you like, I didn't do the study.

 

And before the debates, Bush was up what, 12%?

Not in the AP poll.

-=Mike

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The Incumbent holding a 3% lead with 2 weeks to go before the election, would classify as not doing good. Considering Bush thinks everything he has touched has turned to gold.

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AP Poll Shows Kerry/ Bush Deadlock

 

a 3 point lead for Kerry isn't much of a 'deadlock'

 

Especially when you consider that the undecideds go for the challenger and all.

 

Wow, she's 66? I knew Kerry married that crazy bitch for money, but I didn't know he married an OLD crazy bitch for money.

 

Her age surprised me too. I didn't expect 66. Maybe she's had some cosmetic work done. Quick, get Drudge on the case.

 

You know, Rob, You'd make a great MikeSC if you didn't suck at it.

 

That's not much of an insult.

 

Because, unlike Teresa, Laura has, you know, class.

 

And women don't really ask for apologies, unless you really piss them off.

 

Water under the bridge.

 

And she's also had a REAL job, unlike Teresa.

 

Teresa was a translator at the UN. That's sorta like having to deal with children. :D

 

Kerry loses. Comfortably. That was my prediction early on and it continues.

 

Kerry is not doing well.

 

Any specifics on how comfortable Bush's win will be?

 

I'm guessing comfortable is 60 to 80 EVs

 

Accusing Bush of trying to suppress the black vote isn't race-baiting?

 

Not technically

 

So, outside of lynching somebody, what WOULD constitute race-baiting, in your eyes?

 

Or would even lynching hit the treshold?

 

Inspiring racial hatred is race-baiting

 

And Lynching would be considered Murder.

 

Ah, so ANYTHING a candidate brings up isn't absurd because, well, a Presidential candidate claims it's so?

 

Got it.

 

Interesting honesty test ya got there.

 

There's surrogates, the lesser people, who may test out some stuff, and if it is credible and works, then it goes to the candidate.

 

Anyways, that presses on Bush's credibility. Which is questionable after all the "Intelligence failures" in Iraq.

 

Or in other words, Bush has stretched out our troops by a larger amount than ever.

 

Bush says that he isn't going to do the draft, and you believe him, because he said so. Which is different from what Kerry is doing. Obviously.

 

Never mind that it was, you know, A LIE. An outright and rather blatant lie.

 

Then again, Kerry blamed Bush for the 17% increase in premiums that the plan HE (Kerry) voted for required.

 

But, I suppose, he voted against it before he voted for it --- or something.

 

There's lies and twisting the truth.

 

Due to what Bush was quoted as saying (which was a bad line to say), that gave some material out for people against him to use.

 

But if he has the credibility. He can bounce back there.

 

Well, according to you, it'd have to be true, since a candidate made the claim. It clearly can't be absurd using your logic.

 

If they were able to make that claim with the surrogates without anybody noticing, that would be remarkable.

 

And it was a joke anyways.

 

I know, the concept that terrorism is more than Al Qaeda, OBL, or Saddam is a tough concept to grasp --- but do try.

 

The other terrorist groups here would be Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and the IRA. I'm probably overlooked some other group in Israel. There's other groups which have ties to Al Qaeda (Hambali's group, the Filipino group, one in Egypt, so on)

 

Is something being left out here? Hopefully "War on Terror" isn't just code for "Get rid of people we don't like" but it's "Fight to reduce terrorism"

 

Who'd to a long post on your former posts --- if I cared enough to read your old posts...

 

I don't care enough to read my old posts either

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I just don't understand the "Kerry is doing horrible" sentiment from MikeSC. It is perfectly acceptable to say he is going to lose, because looking at the polls right now, it could go either way, but if anything, the incumbent having such a small lead going into the election is not a good sign for re-election, considering swing voters tend to go with the new guy.

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The Incumbent holding a 3% lead with 2 weeks to go before the election, would classify as not doing good. Considering Bush thinks everything he has touched has turned to gold.

A press in Kerry's back pocket (man, Dole's Senate record got CONSIDERABLY more coverage in 1996 than Kerry's has this year) and an unpopular war --- and Bush is STILL leading late should scare the Dems to death.

 

But, hey, they can continue to holding onto that "undecideds break for the challenger" canard that has never really proven itself to be accurate in Presidential elections.

a 3 point lead for Kerry isn't much of a 'deadlock'

Well, if one ignores that no other poll has Kerry ahead or even tied right now...

 

BTW, RCP's avg STILL has Bush up by about 3 --- even after the new "bad" polls.

Because, unlike Teresa, Laura has, you know, class.

And women don't really ask for apologies, unless you really piss them off.

 

Water under the bridge.

No, it's just being gracious. Much like Cheney was when Edwards brought up his daughter the first time.

Kerry loses. Comfortably. That was my prediction early on and it continues.

 

Kerry is not doing well.

Any specifics on how comfortable Bush's win will be?

 

I'm guessing comfortable is 60 to 80 EVs

Bush will get nearly 300 EV's.

Inspiring racial hatred is race-baiting

Republicans are trying to disenfranchise you ISN'T inspiring racial hatred?

There's surrogates, the lesser people, who may test out some stuff, and if it is credible and works, then it goes to the candidate.

 

Anyways, that presses on Bush's credibility. Which is questionable after all the "Intelligence failures" in Iraq.

 

Or in other words, Bush has stretched out our troops by a larger amount than ever.

 

Bush says that he isn't going to do the draft, and you believe him, because he said so. Which is different from what Kerry is doing. Obviously.

I have the military saying they don't want one. The Republicans not wanting one, complete with rather resounding defeats in Congress. The President stating he doesn't want one.

 

Kerry has fear-mongering that if the tables were turned would have you committing hari-kari.

Never mind that it was, you know, A LIE. An outright and rather blatant lie.

 

Then again, Kerry blamed Bush for the 17% increase in premiums that the plan HE (Kerry) voted for required.

 

But, I suppose, he voted against it before he voted for it --- or something.

There's lies and twisting the truth.

 

Due to what Bush was quoted as saying (which was a bad line to say), that gave some material out for people against him to use.

 

But if he has the credibility. He can bounce back there.

Bush didn't say anything remotely invalid.

 

What I stated was FACT. There was a plan for raising Medicare premiums --- a plan KERRY SUPPORTED.

 

What Kerry has said is an out-and-out lie.

 

But, hey, without lies, how would Dems ever get a vote?

The other terrorist groups here would be Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and the IRA. I'm probably overlooked some other group in Israel. There's other groups which have ties to Al Qaeda (Hambali's group, the Filipino group, one in Egypt, so on)

Having said that, I am glad you'll never be in a position of power whatsoever.

  I think the Old Posts Parade should be saved for when Kerry wins. Perhaps we can embarass Mike into leaving here voluntarily.

But who would you troll then? I mean, you have this eternal hard-on for me as is.

I just don't understand the "Kerry is doing horrible" sentiment from MikeSC. It is perfectly acceptable to say he is going to lose, because looking at the polls right now, it could go either way, but if anything, the incumbent having such a small lead going into the election is not a good sign for re-election, considering swing voters tend to go with the new guy.

Except that sentiment is as big a myth as there is. There is not a single actual case of swing voters breaking for the new guy --- I mean, the swing voters broke for Gore in 2000 over Bush.

-=Mike

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Well, if one ignores that no other poll has Kerry ahead or even tied right now...

 

BTW, RCP's avg STILL has Bush up by about 3 --- even after the new "bad" polls.

That was in reference to the AP poll, not the polls in general.

 

Most other polls are statistical deadlocks.

 

Republicans are trying to disenfranchise you ISN'T inspiring racial hatred?

 

It may be hatred from one race, but it's not inspiring hatred against a specific race.

 

Kerry has fear-mongering that if the tables were turned would have you committing hari-kari.

 

Like i'd have a knife for that. Come on. :D

 

If Cheney was saying that Kerry couldn't handle nuclear bombs going off in the cities.. then that would be tough to handle.

 

The other terrorist groups here would be Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and the IRA. I'm probably overlooked some other group in Israel. There's other groups which have ties to Al Qaeda (Hambali's group, the Filipino group, one in Egypt, so on)

Having said that, I am glad you'll never be in a position of power whatsoever.

 

And what other groups did I miss?

 

Except that sentiment is as big a myth as there is. There is not a single actual case of swing voters breaking for the new guy --- I mean, the swing voters broke for Gore in 2000 over Bush.

 

1980

 

(and there was no incumbent in 2000)

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