The OaO Election Day (Month?) Thread

[AndrewTS 0]

The problem I have with the Libertarians and other third parties...

 

Rather than starting with a small, realistic grass-roots effort in a collection of states and trying to win seats in Congress while developing growing bases of support, they run a Presidential candidate right off the bat who doesn't even have a chance in hell of getting 6% of the vote, let alone having a realistic shot at the office they are running for.

 

I suppose they're optimistic about getting federal funding by running a candidate who may be able to squeak enough votes for it, but by not actually getting a strong party base to begin with, they're being rather irresponsible with the small amount of funding they have.

 

At least that's how I see it. If I'm missing something, or I'm flat out wrong, feel free to chime in and explain. I'm not seeing the point, though.

[Guest Cerebus]

The problem I have with the Libertarians and other third parties...

 

Rather than starting with a small, realistic grass-roots effort in a collection of states and trying to win seats in Congress while developing growing bases of support, they run a Presidential candidate right off the bat who doesn't even have a chance in hell of getting 6% of the vote, let alone having a realistic shot at the office they are running for.

 

I suppose they're optimistic about getting federal funding by running a candidate who may be able to squeak enough votes for it, but by not actually getting a strong party base to begin with, they're being rather irresponsible with the small amount of funding they have.

 

At least that's how I see it. If I'm missing something, or I'm flat out wrong, feel free to chime in and explain. I'm not seeing the point, though.

You're absolutely right. That's what the Green Party seemd to be doing after Nader's good run in 2000, but with all the chaos that putz has created it might well destroy any hopes of the party getting a decent amount of power in the forseeable future.

[Guest Retro Rob]

In and out in a matter of minutes.  Voted for Badnarik and the Dems in all other categories.

I honestly don't know, so I thought I'd ask.

 

What are Badnarik's policies? If elected, how would he make the country better? And just why is he a better alternative to either Bush or Kerry?

 

I personally know a few people that have voted or are planning to vote for Nader/Cobb/Badnarik, but they're not exactly sure why. Throwing your vote away on a party that has no chance of winning seems silly, especially if you don't even know where the candidate stands on important issues.

 

I'm hoping you can help me better understand the mind process behind voting a third party candidate - specifically Badnarik - with a better reason than "He's not Bush or Kerry." I genuinely do want to know.

He isn't into the federal government getting involved in every aspect of the country. He believes in using local law enforcement to it's fullest, and knocking off most of the federal crimes besides treason. He is against the Drug War. He believes in the legalization of medical marijuana. He knows that the war in Iraq is a mess. He is for taking the government out of marriage and leaving it just up to the two people who want to take part in a the marriage.

 

I think he is better than Bush, Kerry, and even Nader because his party hasn't pulled any shit to try and trick people into voting for him. Not to metion the fact that I agree with his policies mentioned above. I just couldn't get myself to pull the lever for any of the other three.

[Guest Brian]

Running a national candidate gets recognition while they pick up local sits. Didn't the Green Party triple the local seats it had after the 2000 election (though I'm sure there was a backlash).

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

I'm watching MSNBC where they are showing audio of various election fuck ups. I can't wait for in 3 weeks we learn exactly how the election officals underesteminated the young market.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Foreign nations are sending observers to our polls. Insert Kerry joke here.

[Gary Floyd 0]

Well, as an independent, I did vote for Kerry, so there ya go.

 

If Kerry wins, then I hope:

 

1.)P.Diddy Won't shoot be http://voteordiemuthafukka.ytmnd.com/

2.) Michael Moore will finally shut up

 

Either way, I hope the loser shouts out "WHY?????????" a whole lot

 

If not Kerry or Bush please vote for Gene Snitsky:

http://snitskyin2004.ytmnd.com/

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

2.) Michael Moore will finally shut up

 

He'll just start pointlessly bashing Kerry.

[Gary Floyd 0]

2.) Michael Moore will finally shut up

 

He'll just start pointlessly bashing Kerry.

I doubt that will happen

[Guest Brian]

Once people find out that Kerry probably doesn't stand where they expected, he'll get bashed. I say, a Bush victory may be the best thing for the left, where you know your enemies.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I promise you he will. He bashed Clinton pointlessly before moving on to Bush. He'll bash whoever's in power because he hates America.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Yes he will start bashing Kerry. He'll give Kerry a three month grace period and make up stuff about him to give himself another self serving plea for attention.

[Guest Brian]

He bashed Clinton over NAFTA and WTO, mainly. Kerry's not going to be able to pull off what he says, he'll get bashed. If he has to make concessions to corporate power and such, he'll get bashed by all.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Well, when I went to vote there was no line and some putz in a truck with a Kerry sign. He walked over to me and the better half trying to give us info on a state senator I'm voting against. I said we're voiting Regola (the Republican challenger) and he started grumbling, and then I shouted out as I walked into the polling place "Kukovich can lick my nuts" right in front of these little old ladies that took our names and stuff.

 

My voting for '04:

 

Prez: W

Senator: Wacky Arlen -- I was thinking of going for the conservative wacko, but the Democrat challenger really pissed me off last week and I want him to lose bad.

Rep: Tim Murphy

State Sen: Bob Regola

State Rep: Jim/James Casorio

State Auditor General: Jack Wagner

State Treasurer: The Republican guy who's name escapes me. I was going to vote for Bob Casey Jr. but he really pissed me off recently -- You're no Bob Casey, Sr., kid.

Attorney General: Tom Corbett

 

Final Score: Two Democrats (Wagner, Casorio) Six Republicans.

 

And when I left the polling place I yelled to my buddy "Four more years!" but sadly I am probably wrong...

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

Bush up 34-3!

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Yay now it's projection time!

[Rob E Dangerously 0]

and the exit polls show that only 8% of South Carolina Democrats voted for Bush, which is highest amount of party loyalty since the 1940s.

 

 

j/k

[The Czech Republic 0]

Best interview Ted Kennedy here at 7.15 because he can't be sloshed just yet

[iggymcfly 0]

The problem I have with the Libertarians and other third parties...

 

Rather than starting with a small, realistic grass-roots effort in a collection of states and trying to win seats in Congress while developing growing bases of support, they run a Presidential candidate right off the bat who doesn't even have a chance in hell of getting 6% of the vote, let alone having a realistic shot at the office they are running for.

 

I suppose they're optimistic about getting federal funding by running a candidate who may be able to squeak enough votes for it, but by not actually getting a strong party base to begin with, they're being rather irresponsible with the small amount of funding they have.

 

At least that's how I see it. If I'm missing something, or I'm flat out wrong, feel free to chime in and explain. I'm not seeing the point, though.

From the LP official site:

 

The Libertarian Party ran 1,642 candidates in the 2002 elections, the largest slate of third-party candidates since before World War II. We contested 219 U.S. House seats, 21 U.S. Senate seats and ran 24 gubernatorial candidates. Our candidates for governor received 763,392 votes, almost twice as many as our previous best showing. We made history when our House candidates received over 1 million votes for the second time, a feat achieved previously only by the Democrats and Republicans.

 

In the off-year election of 2003, 46 Libertarians were elected to local office -- and nearly half of those victories came in higher-level races such as city and county council. The LP now has over 600 officeholders, which is more than all other third parties combined.

 

Currently the party is gearing up for the November 2004 elections, in which we expect to field more than 1,000 candidates for federal, state and local office.

 

They do try awfully hard to win smaller elections, and that's obviously where the support grows from. However, if they don't run a candidate for president as well, it's impossible for them to be taken seriously as a national party.

[Mole 0]

ABC says Bush has 94, Kerry 77.

[Guest Cerebus]

CNN has Bush 87 Kerry 77

[Guest Cerebus]

155-112 in Bush's favor.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Looks like we're going to be stuck with Tom DeLay for a while longer.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

I'm kinda drunk, but I think I just saw Kerry pullin gclolser in Ohio. So hopoefully that trend keeps up. Thisis pretty close, I think a lot of these statees were already called in 2000.

[Justice 0]

I'm kinda drunk, but I think I just saw Kerry pullin gclolser in Ohio. So hopoefully that trend keeps up. Thisis pretty close, I think a lot of these statees were already called in 2000.

Holy shit, you ARE drunk.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I'm kinda drunk, but I think I just saw Kerry pullin gclolser in Ohio. So hopoefully that trend keeps up. Thisis pretty close, I think a lot of these statees were already called in 2000.

Post of the fucking night.

[Vern Gagne 0]

CNN needs to get there projections updated.

[Dr. Tyler; Captain America 0]

Okay, mabye nto. Or matybe so. I dunno, cNN is saying something about provisional vballots, so mwe may not tknow about thre victor iuntil tomorrow or something.

[therealworldschampion 0]

Holy shit Tyler you are in a "Howard Cosell in Philadelphia" zone of drunkeness.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

I doubt he's awake yet.