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[teke184 0]

I'm annoyed by these statements:

 

way to go america,

way to go

Ignorance.

 

This was the Democratic Party's election to win and they blew it with a piss-poor nominee. A man of the people doesn't go to boarding school in Switzerland. This isn't ignorant America's fault. This is an ignorant Democratic Party's fault.

Give them a little credit...

 

 

At least they didn't run a complete raving nutball like Howard Dean.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I'm annoyed by these statements:

 

way to go america,

way to go

Ignorance.

 

This was the Democratic Party's election to win and they blew it with a piss-poor nominee. A man of the people doesn't go to boarding school in Switzerland. This isn't ignorant America's fault. This is an ignorant Democratic Party's fault.

Give them a little credit...

 

 

At least they didn't run a complete raving nutball like Howard Dean.

I could've been in bed at midnight had they run Dean.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Yeah now we've gotta wait until 2008 for election returns to be finished in an hour.

[Justice 0]

 

"Oh, I had all you guys thinkin' I was on the ropes. You should have seen your faces..."

 

And, to note, Jobber is becoming the most bitter liberal in the CE Folder. Ya shouldn't have talked as much shit as you did, bud.

[Styles 0]

ITS OVER. Kerry to concede at 1 o clock.

[Downhome 0]

Thank God it looks like it's going to end today.

 

[cabbageboy 0]

What does Kerry's concession actually mean in terms of ballots being counted in OH though? Does anyone know? I mean, I guess they have to actually count them (it might take 10 days).

 

The reason that I find this concession curious is that there are likely between 175,000-250,000 votes in OH yet to be counted. I read over at www.dailykos.com that Gore got 85% of such provisional ballots in OH in 2000.

 

Maybe I'm the only one here who thinks this, but Kerry's concession is merely to make him look like a gentleman who admits when he's beat to avoid the backlash Gore got in 2000. It also prevents all sorts of lawyers and such from descending on OH to have their say in ballot counting, thus allowing the OH poll workers to count these provisional votes in peace and quiet.

 

Mind you, I don't think Kerry has hardly any chance in OH even with the provisional ballots, but it'll be interesting to see what the real final tally ends up being.

[Styles 0]

Kerry and friends have entered their motorcade, he will make his speech any moment!

[GreatWhiteNope 0]

Thank God it looks like it's going to end today.

 

a GIF...of the happy dance?...

 

 

*head explodes*

[2GOLD 0]

Kerry and friends have entered their motorcade, he will make his speech any moment!

 

I'm shocked they didn't make him take a cab.

And make him pay for it.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

And, to note, Jobber is becoming the most bitter liberal in the CE Folder. Ya shouldn't have talked as much shit as you did, bud.

I've woken up now and I'm putting all these pieces together and I'm still not figuring it out. I shit talk because I care and I like to think I have it right, even if other people don't agree. Though I restrained myself from making comments about it because it is so cliche, I seriously did at one point consider relocation in the past twelve hours, for about five seconds or so until I realized that my family is falling apart financially so I can just about forget it.

 

But man, what a bunch of people who don't agree. I think my biggest problem with this one is that I still just don't get it. I don't know why people would vote for this guy. I know the reasons why John Kerry sucks, I've heard them here plenty of times and I've factored them in, but it still makes no sense. Especially the spending, because of the Congress races as well. People either do not recognize, or do not care, about Bush's credit card economics. I like to think the former, and we could have done a better job communicating that instead of talking about Purple Hearts for the better part of a season.

 

That said, I'm pretty sad that our country will continue to have no fiscal responsibility for the immediate future.

 

The other thing that I just don't understand is the amount of people, allegedly, who decided to vote over morality, which is something I very clearly believe wouldn't be legislated. That there's so many talking heads saying this could be a result of the echo chamber, but I think there's more to it.

 

Watching our media last night, one would forget we were in a failing post-war effort to win the peace in Iraq. The way they make it sound, one would think people actually came out to the polls just to vote against gay marriage, and then decided to vote for a President while they were there. The mind boggles.

 

To those voices who say we need to compromise our values and do more catering to the south and social conservatives by squelching our agenda, shut up. I would much rather lose more races as important as this one than win because of the bigot vote (which does not count for all of Bush's vote, of course, so don't bark up that tree, but it does exist, and it did clearly go to Bush.) If that happens, I'm switching to Independent.

 

 

Bush won the popular vote, I'm sure I'll have this rubbed in my face, and it doesn't change my opinion that the electoral system is outdated and needs changing. Either something like the Colorado proposition (which had no chance in hell of passing during this election, unfortunately) or an outright removal of the system and going to something like the Brits' Parliament, which would require a lot of interesting amendments. I am not sure we will ever have another Presidential election without five news stations and three networks all bearing down on one state that makes the others irrelevant. At least this time it wasn't Florida.

 

 

Lastly, I think the packing of Daschle was a good thing, and it's time to send Terry with him. The whole Clinton thing is done. Hillary should not be clearing out her calendar for 2008. While Bill is a great speaker and has his fans, they'll be voting for us anyways as long as we don't compromise now.

 

So, congratulations Republicans. If something fucks up now, there's no more blaming it on the past four years.

[Guest MikeSC]

Yeah now we've gotta wait until 2008 for election returns to be finished in an hour.

Unless a Democrat wins.

 

Go ahead and write that down.

What does Kerry's concession actually mean in terms of ballots being counted in OH though? Does anyone know? I mean, I guess they have to actually count them (it might take 10 days).

 

The reason that I find this concession curious is that there are likely between 175,000-250,000 votes in OH yet to be counted. I read over at www.dailykos.com that Gore got 85% of such provisional ballots in OH in 2000.

Free advice: Dailykos isn't exactly a good source for info.

Maybe I'm the only one here who thinks this, but Kerry's concession is merely to make him look like a gentleman who admits when he's beat to avoid the backlash Gore got in 2000. It also prevents all sorts of lawyers and such from descending on OH to have their say in ballot counting, thus allowing the OH poll workers to count these provisional votes in peace and quiet.

 

Mind you, I don't think Kerry has hardly any chance in OH even with the provisional ballots, but it'll be interesting to see what the real final tally ends up being.

The first 20,000 broke 66% for the President, if that helps.

But man, what a bunch of people who don't agree. I think my biggest problem with this one is that I still just don't get it. I don't know why people would vote for this guy.

A sentiment expressed by Republicans about Clinton more than a few times.

Watching our media last night, one would forget we were in a failing post-war effort to win the peace in Iraq.

Except, of course, we aren't failing.

-=Mike

...Who is waiting for Rob to do a long post on how I was damned near balls-on accurate about the popular vote totals...

[bob_barron 0]

Hey- I'm the one who got every state right. Give me some credit Mike

[Guest MikeSC]

Hey- I'm the one who got every state right. Give me some credit Mike

Go you, Bob.

-=Mike

[Styles 0]

Hey- I'm the one who got every state right. Give me some credit Mike

I called them all except Indiana for Bush...so...uh.....Go me too!!!

[NoCalMike 0]

And, to note, Jobber is becoming the most bitter liberal in the CE Folder. Ya shouldn't have talked as much shit as you did, bud.

I've woken up now and I'm putting all these pieces together and I'm still not figuring it out. I shit talk because I care and I like to think I have it right, even if other people don't agree. Though I restrained myself from making comments about it because it is so cliche, I seriously did at one point consider relocation in the past twelve hours, for about five seconds or so until I realized that my family is falling apart financially so I can just about forget it.

 

But man, what a bunch of people who don't agree. I think my biggest problem with this one is that I still just don't get it. I don't know why people would vote for this guy. I know the reasons why John Kerry sucks, I've heard them here plenty of times and I've factored them in, but it still makes no sense. Especially the spending, because of the Congress races as well. People either do not recognize, or do not care, about Bush's credit card economics. I like to think the former, and we could have done a better job communicating that instead of talking about Purple Hearts for the better part of a season.

 

That said, I'm pretty sad that our country will continue to have no fiscal responsibility for the immediate future.

 

The other thing that I just don't understand is the amount of people, allegedly, who decided to vote over morality, which is something I very clearly believe wouldn't be legislated. That there's so many talking heads saying this could be a result of the echo chamber, but I think there's more to it.

 

Watching our media last night, one would forget we were in a failing post-war effort to win the peace in Iraq. The way they make it sound, one would think people actually came out to the polls just to vote against gay marriage, and then decided to vote for a President while they were there. The mind boggles.

 

To those voices who say we need to compromise our values and do more catering to the south and social conservatives by squelching our agenda, shut up. I would much rather lose more races as important as this one than win because of the bigot vote (which does not count for all of Bush's vote, of course, so don't bark up that tree, but it does exist, and it did clearly go to Bush.) If that happens, I'm switching to Independent.

 

 

Bush won the popular vote, I'm sure I'll have this rubbed in my face, and it doesn't change my opinion that the electoral system is outdated and needs changing. Either something like the Colorado proposition (which had no chance in hell of passing during this election, unfortunately) or an outright removal of the system and going to something like the Brits' Parliament, which would require a lot of interesting amendments. I am not sure we will ever have another Presidential election without five news stations and three networks all bearing down on one state that makes the others irrelevant. At least this time it wasn't Florida.

 

 

Lastly, I think the packing of Daschle was a good thing, and it's time to send Terry with him. The whole Clinton thing is done. Hillary should not be clearing out her calendar for 2008. While Bill is a great speaker and has his fans, they'll be voting for us anyways as long as we don't compromise now.

 

So, congratulations Republicans. If something fucks up now, there's no more blaming it on the past four years.

Jobber, it is as simple as this. The evangelical vote turned out, and the african-american/youth vote did not. The country is still split. The same people who disliked Bush's first four years, will dislike this next four even more. It isn't like Bush was turning out all these liberals and democrats to vote for him. He simply was better at throwing out the red meat to focus groups much better then Kerry was. Well that and Kerry not being a very good opponent in the first place.

[Styles 0]

The same people who disliked Bush's first four years, will dislike this next four even more.

It's good to see liberals are already taking John Kerry's actually grateful and practical advise to unite again as a country and work together....

[Guest MikeSC]

The same people who disliked Bush's first four years, will dislike this next four even more.

It's good to see liberals are already taking John Kerry's actually grateful and practical advise to unite again as a country and work together....

Well, Bush is being divisive. You know, winning a majority.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

It's good to see liberals are already taking John Kerry's actually grateful and practical advise to unite again as a country and work together....

Us political hounds know better, especially with an administration that only saw Clinton's eight years as Bushus Interruptus.

[NoCalMike 0]

The same people who disliked Bush's first four years, will dislike this next four even more.

It's good to see liberals are already taking John Kerry's actually grateful and practical advise to unite again as a country and work together....

I believe Kerry was directing his comments towards Bush uniting the country through policy, not for the citizens just to start supporting Bush.

[NoCalMike 0]

The same people who disliked Bush's first four years, will dislike this next four even more.

It's good to see liberals are already taking John Kerry's actually grateful and practical advise to unite again as a country and work together....

Well, Bush is being divisive. You know, winning a majority.

-=Mike

Sure, a majority of what percentage of registered voters? Yes yes, I know those who don't vote "don't get a voice" and all that, but unless 100% of eligible voters, voted, stop using this "majority" nonsense. The country is split and you know it. It hurts me more then gloating will make you feel good, that much of Kerry's base stayed home, but I have to deal with it, it is over, Bush is the President for the next four years.

[Guest MikeSC]

Sure, a majority of what percentage of registered voters? Yes yes, I know those who don't vote "don't get a voice" and all that, but unless 100% of eligible voters, voted, stop using this "majority" nonsense.

Wow, where was this mentality when --- EVERY President in history governed?

 

You're being a child.

The country is split and you know it.

Less split than in any Clinton year.

It hurts me more then it gloating will make you feel good, that much of Kerry's base stayed home, but I have to deal with it, it is over, Bush is the President for the next four years.

Hold on to that pipe dream. Turnout was very high --- and Bush STILL kicked the shit out of Kerry.

 

As I said for weeks, people were ignoring that the GOP was doing damned good GOTV campaigns.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Less split than in any Clinton year.

Excuse me? This is entertaining.

 

I find it entertaining that you and the other supporters seem to not care that Bush has by his lonesome divided the country more than ever before. He has made no attempt to make the other percentage of the country any less angry. This has completely polarized everyone, and unlike the Clinton years, it's effected everyone from the armchair politicians all the way to John Q Public.

[Guest MikeSC]

Less split than in any Clinton year.

Excuse me? This is entertaining.

 

I find it entertaining that you and the other supporters seem to not care that Bush has by his lonesome divided the country more than ever before. He has made no attempt to make the other percentage of the country any less angry. This has completely polarized everyone, and unlike the Clinton years, it's effected everyone from the armchair politicians all the way to John Q Public.

Nope, you IGNORED the massive split caused by Clinton because your side was winning.

 

Bush got the first majority in 16 years. It's less divided. Deal with it.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Nope, you IGNORED the massive split caused by Clinton because your side was winning.

Compared to today, almost nobody cared about politics during Clinton. The general feeling of the 90s was that all politicians were a pack of liars so why bother voting.

 

There was a split, but it didn't really affect common America because common America had given up on politics. That's why everyone's lightbulbs slowly lit up at once when everyone saw what happened in 2000. "Oh, hey, maybe I should vote!"

 

Bush got a 3% margin. So it leaves 46-47% of the country mad instead of 49-50%. You think that's a big difference?

[MrRant 0]

You're reaching Jobber.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

3% is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE margin, all right.

 

Let's look at the other results during times of war:

 

Lincoln 55.02%, McClellan 44.96%

 

FDR 54.6%, Dewey 46%

 

LBJ 61%, Goldwater 38.4%

 

So, yes, for a wartime commander, 3% is clearly way way larger than we've ever seen in history.

 

No, it's not.

[MrRant 0]

I posted that before you editted your post.

[Guest MikeSC]

3% is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE margin, all right.

 

Let's look at the other results during times of war:

 

Lincoln 55.02%, McClellan 44.96%

 

FDR 54.6%, Dewey 46%

 

LBJ 61%, Goldwater 38.4%

 

So, yes, for a wartime commander, 3% is clearly way way larger than we've ever seen in history.

 

No, it's not.

Wow, clutching for straws is not your strong suit.

 

Clinton had the majority vote AGAINST him both times. Can't say the same about Bush.

 

The country is far more unified than you or the press state. You just don't like it because it's unified AGAINST you.

This is the county-by-county breakdown. Hardly divided.

-=Mike

[Jobber of the Week 0]

Clinton had the majority vote AGAINST him both times. Can't say the same about Bush.

 

The country is far more unified than you or the press state. You just don't like it because it's unified AGAINST you.

This is the county-by-county breakdown. Hardly divided.

        -=Mike

So? Bush had a popularity spike the likes nobody had ever seen and has been trying to keep the nation rallied for war during all but eight months of his Presidency. Clinton had none of those bonuses.

 

 

Fourty-eight.

Fifty-one.

 

That is the dividing line.