Dr. Tom 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 I love how Rant insists he's not a bigot, but makes posts like the ones on the previous page. Tremendous. Anyway, Loss, I think your idea is worth exploring, but I'm not sure how many converts you'll win to your side. It sounds like you'll get a lot of undecided or ambivalent liberals, but considering that numbers that turned out against gay marriage, you need more than that. There's also the problem that the South is unlikely to adopt it anytime soon, since they seem quite resistant to change down there in the Bible Belt. Your best inroads are probably in the states Kerry won, which would be the Northeast and the Left Coast. Make some progress there and get some laws changed, and you could affect the rest of the country. But you have to start by preaching to the choir and hoping it's enough. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 5, 2004 Joing with Femnazis isn't going to help. How about this... respect other's beliefs that some people think that what you do is immoral and disgusting. I don't but people do and you have to live with it instead of tell them that they are wrong. The goal is to get marriage legalized. Just sitting back isn't going to accomplish anything. I'll say it --- that is basically EXACTLY what you and other gay rights supporters should be doing. When I say I'm EASILY persuaded on this issue --- and I definitely am --- I am not kidding. And your move can easily get my to support the issue. -=Mike ...My beef was always with HOW this was being pursued, not the issue itself... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 5, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 5, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Agent of Oblivion Report post Posted November 5, 2004 Turn god against them. Add lots of verse about not passing judgment, blah blah blah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest CronoT Report post Posted November 5, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. If they think Marilyn Manson is "the smartest musician of all time," let them secede. They'll destroy themselves in less than a year. There's a fine line between extremely liberal and conservtaive, and being stupid. They've crossed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 MARILYN MANSON SPEAKS THE TRUTH HE'S NOT AFRAID OF THE TRUTH HE SAYS WHAT U R THINKING BUT ARE AFRAID TO SAY AMERICA IS EVIL MANSON KNOWS IT EVERYONE KNOWS IT HE BELIEVES WE SHOULD BE EDUCATED I WILL SHOW YOU THIS IS TRUE BY COPYING AND PASTING HIS LYRICS WHICH WILL PROVE MY POINT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 (2) Go door to door and talk to people. The best bet is probably to start in neighborhoods that are notoriously liberal and go from there, asking for recommendations of other people we can visit that would be willing to at least listen to us. When we get to those places, we could ask for even more suggestions of places to go where we would be heard. The goal would be to speak, face-to-face, to as many voters as possible. It is my hope that having a homosexual in one's home, talking to him or her face to face, would put people who may have never known a gay person at ease. Based on this, Rant, I seriously doubt we'd ever come to your house, so sleep easy. Starting in gay and/or very liberal neighborhoods and asking for other places we could go from there is what I'm suggesting, and I think that's the best route possible. Dude. I live in Washington State. Less than 10 minutes from Seattle. This is a liberal safe haven almost and I have plenty of co-workers and friends who are bi, lesbian or gay. I support them in their quest to get the benefits they should get. I don't support them knocking on my door and pestering me about it. That just pisses me off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted November 5, 2004 Didn't Manson support Bush in 2000? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 6, 2004 Yes. Manson, like Alice Cooper, is a Republican. Manson (wisely) pointed out the irony of the Monica missles firing the same morning as the Columbine shootings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 You'd be better off raising money and bribing local officials. The best idea you had up there was the fundraising. Do it for a well known charities, that way you can get your message across, create some goodwill, and give to the community so that maybe the community will give back to you. Besides, who can hate on someone doing something nice for others? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MrRant 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 Those of us who enjoy watching people suffer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BUTT 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 Yes. Manson, like Alice Cooper, is a Republican. Manson (wisely) pointed out the irony of the Monica missles firing the same morning as the Columbine shootings. "Monica missiles"? That was two months after the impeachment trial ended. I doubt bombing Kosovo had anything to do with Lewinsky. Perhaps you are referring to the strike on (I think) Iraq in December '98? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBigSwigg 0 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 Add lots of verse about not passing judgment, blah blah blah. There are plenty of those verses. They basically say that judgment is God's alone. Most people ignore them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted November 6, 2004 The trouble with that is that if they know what the Bible actually says it won't faze them. They'll know the difference between judging the person and not condoning the sin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest fk teale Report post Posted November 6, 2004 I'm still waiting for someone to tell me why Gay Marriage isn't a good idea on Non-religious reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted November 9, 2004 I'm still waiting. And if not for me, do it for fk teale! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 You can keep waiting, really. At least if you're expecting anything from me. God defines the standards in this and that is the base I operate from. You know that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike This conservative columnist says 53% of Iraq casualties have come from red states and 47% from blue states. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/041101 This articles says that red states pay far less in taxes than they receive in government subsidies, blue states pay far more. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/opinion/...nt&position=top Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricMM 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 No one's telling you to marry a man, SP. Just because something's sinful doesn't mean it's against the law, or should be against the law. No one's forcing YOU to sin. So what do you care what two gay people do? Gay sex isn't even one of the ten commandments. If you want to make things illegal, go with the big ones first. You already have some of them, stealing, murder. Why not make it illegal to worship anyone besides the Christian god. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 No one's telling you to marry a man, SP. Just because something's sinful doesn't mean it's against the law, or should be against the law. You mean coveting is not against the law? Shit! I could have been running around coveting things this whole time! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest SP-1 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 No one's telling you to marry a man, SP. Just because something's sinful doesn't mean it's against the law, or should be against the law. No one's forcing YOU to sin. So what do you care what two gay people do? Gay sex isn't even one of the ten commandments. If you want to make things illegal, go with the big ones first. You already have some of them, stealing, murder. Why not make it illegal to worship anyone besides the Christian god. Yet not protesting these things in the legal channels boils down to passively supporting them. Which I cannot do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 10, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike This conservative columnist says 53% of Iraq casualties have come from red states and 47% from blue states. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/041101 This articles says that red states pay far less in taxes than they receive in government subsidies, blue states pay far more. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/opinion/...nt&position=top I thought libs were gung-ho about income redistribution. You know, the rich paying their "fair share" -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted November 10, 2004 No one's telling you to marry a man, SP. Just because something's sinful doesn't mean it's against the law, or should be against the law. No one's forcing YOU to sin. So what do you care what two gay people do? Gay sex isn't even one of the ten commandments. If you want to make things illegal, go with the big ones first. You already have some of them, stealing, murder. Why not make it illegal to worship anyone besides the Christian god. Yet not protesting these things in the legal channels boils down to passively supporting them. Which I cannot do. I must ask -- would you join me in supporting a Constitutional amendment to make divorce illegal? I'm asking that in all seriousness. If that issue was actually on the ballot, how would you vote on it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 I'm suprised this whole "take it to the public" thing is still being said over and over even after the election. You know the slack-jawed locals that you see (or used to see) at WWE House Shows in the south? The marks that thought it was all real? They're pretty much the majority in America now, and they hates them some fags but they love God and they want the government to love God, too. Do you want to go into the fucking "Let's secede!" morons who populate YOUR side? How about the "No Blood for Oil" idiots? I can go on and on if you'd like about this, because liberals are an endless source of mockable people. -=Mike I've been trying to calm the crazy liberals on campus down this week. The whole "AMERICA IS DEAD THE SKY IS FALLING LET'S THROW BUSH OUT HE'S EVIL" crowd of raving lunatics. It's getting exhausting. Maybe we should let them secede, and stuff them all into one state where they can walk around being indecisive about important things and chalking it up to "being educated," and then say that Marilyn Manson is the smartest musician of all time. Hell, let them secede. We know which part of the country actually provides the troops and which side doesn't. Whooping that whipped part of the country wouldn't be too hard. -=Mike This conservative columnist says 53% of Iraq casualties have come from red states and 47% from blue states. http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/bowyer/041101 This articles says that red states pay far less in taxes than they receive in government subsidies, blue states pay far more. http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/07/opinion/...nt&position=top I thought libs were gung-ho about income redistribution. You know, the rich paying their "fair share" -=Mike Well, you were the one bragging about "whipping" the blue states. God I feel stupid arguing about this but... The blue states would have half the troops. Most of the money. And probably the support of the entire world; except, maybe...POLAND! I FORGOT POLAND! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 It's funny, because these were supposed to be the red states for 2004 but I guess it doesn't alternate anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Ol' Smitty 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 It's funny, because these were supposed to be the red states for 2004 but I guess it doesn't alternate anymore Okay my bad! Forgot about New Mexico and Iowa! Red states also have higher divorce rates and more murder. Those moral values in full effect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Czech Republic 0 Report post Posted November 10, 2004 No, I just meant the red states were supposed to be Democratic and blue Republican, they used to alternate every four years but since "red state" has become such a new catchphrase, it stays.' I think Democrats always should've been red, since they're closer to socialism Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest UncleKimmyGibler Report post Posted November 10, 2004 DJ AND I ARE CRUSHED BY THIS NEWS HOLA TANNERINOS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
