UseTheSledgehammerUh 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 Hey my post was made in sarcasm...the match list...didn't mean for any people to actually be dump enough to consider THAT could be the actual list. That's the stuff WWE'd put on there, knowing Vince. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pariah Report post Posted November 12, 2004 RVD/Sabu vs. Hayabusa/Jinsei Shinazki - Heat Wave '98 (THE tag spotfest archetype in the States) The match that is so bad its actually clipped on the ECW home release? That match is horrid from beginning to end, which is sad considering how good it could of been. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cabbageboy 0 Report post Posted November 12, 2004 RVD wrestled quite different styles when he first was in ECW feuding with Sabu in 96 than when he left ECW in early 2001. Those early Sabu matches feature some crazy shit that I've NEVER seen anywhere else (stuff like monkey flips onto chairs with the legs sticking out, diamond cutters off the top with a guy's leg caught in the ropes...just insane shit). This was also the only time I've seen RVD play an outright asshole heel, cussing the crowd, refusing to shake Sabu's hand. He was damn good at it too I might add. No rolling thunder, 5 star, or any traditional RVD spots at that time. I have seen damn near every RVD/Lynn match that was ever televised and I feel safe in assessing them: Aug. 1998, ECW TV: I referred to this one earlier, RVD damn near put his eye out on a piece of table. Also hit the best northern lights suplex I've ever seen (ECW included this in the opening highlight reel for a year or so). This was a very good, albeit forgotten, match. Living Dangerously 99: I hated this match for a variety of reasons. 1. It was blatant that they were trying to get Lynn hyped past his level of credibility (New F'N Show? Give me a break). 2. The finish is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in ECW, with the ref literally trying to award Lynn the title on points rather than a pin or submission. Hardcore Heaven 99: This match has a lot of good stuff in it, but alas is remembered as the match where the serious RVD stalling began. Probably essential viewing since there was little during this time period from the Big 2 that was quite like it. Sept. 1999, TNN show: They had a match that Justin Credible ran in on, but that isn't this one. Lynn had heavily bandaged ribs here (allegedly Impact Players attacked him, but it was from landing on a thumbtack in the previous match). This had heat like nothing you'll ever see, as the ECW Arena seemed to desperately want Lynn to win the match. To be honest this is where he probably SHOULD have won the TV title and RVD move up to the World title. This was a great match though, and I dare say the best of the series. Hardcore Heaven 2000: This was after RVD got back from injury. Scott Keith actually liked this better than the other matches, I'd say due to RVD jobbing here. Match was decent but the Anton heel turn was so blatant that it killed it. Guilty as Charged 2001: Lynn wrestled here in jeans. I don't recall much about to be honest, wasn't real memorable other than it was the last ECW PPV. There was also a Heat match from 2001 but it was so edited down that it came off like an RVD squash. A motivated RVD that isn't constantly stalling (1998, 2001) is one of the most exciting wrestlers in the world. Sadly, he hasn't given a shit for nearly 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corey_Lazarus 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 RVD/Sabu vs. Hayabusa/Jinsei Shinazki - Heat Wave '98 (THE tag spotfest archetype in the States) The match that is so bad its actually clipped on the ECW home release? That match is horrid from beginning to end, which is sad considering how good it could of been. Actually, I have the commercial Heat Wave '98 release, and it's not clipped at all. That's just how the match actually goes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Well, I guess they'll have to, you know, push him. And that's good news for me. I'll probably get it, but it'll be interesting what the ECW:WWE match ratio is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M. Harry Smilac Report post Posted November 13, 2004 RVD/Sabu vs. Hayabusa/Jinsei Shinazki - Heat Wave '98 (THE tag spotfest archetype in the States) The match that is so bad its actually clipped on the ECW home release? That match is horrid from beginning to end, which is sad considering how good it could of been. Actually, I have the commercial Heat Wave '98 release, and it's not clipped at all. That's just how the match actually goes. It's bad for about the first 5-10 minutes but once it get's going it isn't all that bad to me.I wanna say I remember them having another match before this(In Japan possibly?) that was alot better???My memories a bit fuzzy. If they did the Jerry Lynn ones I hope they put some type of commentary on there even though Lynn isn't with the company because I already have those on the earlier ecw domestic releases. For me their was and still is nothing wrong with RVD's work in ECW and the last time I can remember him showcasing in wwe the spark he had in ecw, was the Christian ladder match on RAW for the ic title last year I think. Lawler would stall for about 10-20 minutes before his matches and it was considered phsycology and part of his character.It was apart of RVD's character in ecw to think he was the whole fuckin show and to get out of the ring and high-five the fans and randomly point to himself with his thumbs.I loved it and the fans ate it up too. He worked alot faster match in ecw were you usually didn't have time to sell.Watch Masato Tanaka/Mike Awesome from Hardcore Heaven.The pace of the match is so quick and the guys spend the entire match stiffing the shit out of each other and the only thing that get's sold is the three count. NO ONE sells a ddt as good as RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 There'd better be plenty more ECW material on there than the crap he's done with Vince. He's done nothing but work around the WWE style and the limitations made him an even more one-dimensional worker than he was before. At least in ECW his spot fests were fun to watch. Now he's gotta work with using his weak forearms and an array of spin-kicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Pariah Report post Posted November 13, 2004 RVD/Sabu vs. Hayabusa/Jinsei Shinazki - Heat Wave '98 (THE tag spotfest archetype in the States) The match that is so bad its actually clipped on the ECW home release? That match is horrid from beginning to end, which is sad considering how good it could of been. Actually, I have the commercial Heat Wave '98 release, and it's not clipped at all. That's just how the match actually goes. I'm sure there is a bit cut from the middle of the match on my copy of the tape, its been a while since I've seen it though so I can't be sure Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 NO ONE sells a ddt as good as RVD. Venis? I like RVD's piledriver sell when he's running towards some one, and he's caught and spiked into the mat, then bounces off the mat. It's due out in Feb. And yes, there really is a two disc Diva set coming out. With one of the discs dedicated to Mae Young. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 NO ONE sells a ddt as good as RVD. The man speaks the truth. The way RVD lands on his head while taking one makes me cringe everytime. Just looks brutal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest M. Harry Smilac Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Venis? I like RVD's piledriver sell when he's running towards some one, and he's caught and spiked into the mat, then bounces off the mat. He usually does the same kind of bounce for a ddt as well.Basically just takes the drop directly on the top of his head and bounces up off the mat a good foot or so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fökai 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 There'd better be plenty more ECW material on there than the crap he's done with Vince. He's done nothing but work around the WWE style and the limitations made him an even more one-dimensional worker than he was before. At least in ECW his spot fests were fun to watch. Now he's gotta work with using his weak forearms and an array of spin-kicks. ::waits for someone to respond with the "How are his matches realistic, when he refuses to work leg psychology and the appropriate selling into his match" argument:: Wait, that just happens to be MY argument. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Well, I guess they'll have to, you know, push him. And that's good news for me. I'll probably get it, but it'll be interesting what the ECW:WWE match ratio is. Yah, sure, they will push him Give him the U.S belt. Thats a push...right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big McLargeHuge 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 All I'm saying is that I found his ECW work far more entertaining than what he's been doing the past 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Give him the U.S belt. Thats a push...right? Better than where he's at now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 *clicks on thread, sees RVD bashing, dies of shock* I find it sad and funny at the same time that some people can't move on with their lives, it's always the same trolls.....ahem, I mean the same usual suspects making those unfunny and false RVD remarks. As far as I'm concerned the RVD dvd should be like this: Have the traditional WWE style biography of RVD. Then the matches should be: RVD v. PHil Lafon from Japan RVD V. Sabu in a stretcher match from ECW RVD/Sabu v. Dreamer/Hayabusa from FMW RVD/Sabu v. the Eliminators (ladder match) RVD/Sabu v. Hayabusa/Jinzei Shinzaki from Heatwave 88 RVD v. BamBam Bigelow (TV title) RVD v. Lynn (Hardcore heaven) and maybe put RVD v. Taz N2R 99 or RVD v. Lynn from Guilty as Charged 2001. Then his WWF/WWE stuff: RVD v. Jeff from Invasion RVD v. Jericho from Unforgiven 2001 RVD v. Austin v. Angle from No Mercy 01 RVD v. Undertaker from Armageddon 01 RVD v. Eddy the RAW ladder match RVD v. Benoit the match that they had at RAW which was better than the one they had at Summerslam. RVD v. Dreamer from RAW to unify the IC title with the Hardcore title. Easter Eggs: RVD v. Jeff from 1997, RVD v. Rock from RAW and RVD v. Austin from a SD episode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Why are they trolls for insulting RVD's workrate in a thread about an RVD DVD? If someone else got a DVD who wasn't a good worker the same thing would be going on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Like a Regal dvd? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 Yep- if a Regal DVD was announced I'm sure a bunch of people would be voicing their dissent because they don't like his work in the ring. Would they be considered trolls then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 humongous knows what the fuck is going on. I'd probably have his lader match with Christian from Raw last year too, but that's a good list for a 2 Disc DVD for RVD. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 humongous knows what the fuck is going on. I'd probably have his lader match with Christian from Raw last year too, but that's a good list for a 2 Disc DVD for RVD. No he doesn't. I don't like the WWE matches listed there since most of those matches were released on DVD. The matches where RVD beat Austin and Rock should be on there as well. (I think he beat Rock) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iliketurtles 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The matches where RVD beat Austin and Rock should be on there as well. (I think he beat Rock) ...he's got those. And he didn't beat Rock on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob_barron 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The matches where RVD beat Austin and Rock should be on there as well. (I think he beat Rock) ...he's got those. And he didn't beat Rock on Raw. Well I think he beat him on Smackdown! then. Yep- beat him on October 25th Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
treble 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 He beat Rock (by DQ) on the 10/15/01 Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 I think he pinned The Rock in a tag match on Raw. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
humongous2002 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 humongous knows what the fuck is going on. I'd probably have his lader match with Christian from Raw last year too, but that's a good list for a 2 Disc DVD for RVD. No he doesn't. I don't like the WWE matches listed there since most of those matches were released on DVD. The matches where RVD beat Austin and Rock should be on there as well. (I think he beat Rock) Well those are the Easter eggs, and RVD lost to the Rock b/c Stephanie interfered in his match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 13, 2004 THAT's the Best of RVD for matches? Oh my good god. Damn thats bad...even I know he had SOME good WWE matches in 2001 (but all the blurring is probably a pain the ass). I have no idea how their ECW stuff goes (I thought they had a problem using Joey Styles' commentaries). They were also markedly worse. WWE cleaned up RVD's work a ton. He's significantly better in the WWE than he EVER was in ECW. As bad as RVD's WWE work is, his ECW work is identical with a lot more stalling and dead time. -=Mike WWE cleaned up RVD's work? Cite your source. Because the only difference between ECW RVD and WWE RVD is a whole lot less flippin and flyin'. A whole lot less stalling, too. Watching RVD try to fill up a 30 minute match with 15 minutes was painful. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lord of The Curry 0 Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The matches in WWE are way shorter so I'm not sure if the lack of stalling is a "cleaning up" of his work or just forcing him to work shorter matches. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 13, 2004 *clicks on thread, sees RVD bashing, dies of shock* I find it sad and funny at the same time that some people can't move on with their lives, it's always the same trolls.....ahem, I mean the same usual suspects making those unfunny and false RVD remarks. It's the "trolls" fault that the man is the single most overrated performer in the past 10 years? People discuss how Flair was overrated? Flair has NOTHING in the world of overratedness that touches RVD. RVD stalled. A LOT. That really isn't up for debate. He was insanely spotty and exceptionally half-assed when it comes to selling. Blame him for his faults and ECW for over-hyping him. Then again, they had people convinced that Shane Douglas could work, so disconcerning taste was not strong with most ECW fans. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest MikeSC Report post Posted November 13, 2004 The matches in WWE are way shorter so I'm not sure if the lack of stalling is a "cleaning up" of his work or just forcing him to work shorter matches. It ABSOLUTELY is. Shortening his matches was something RVD needed badly. He can't fill out a 30 minute match. He never could. So the WWE doesn't ask him to do so. -=Mike Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
