WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

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On the UK coverage subject, was there any truth to the rumour that TNT was planning to show WCW PPVs in some capacity before the buy-out, or was that false. Also...

 

 

1) How long did Owen Hart last in the company. I remember him being around in the early 90s and getting a couple of wins. Must have been in the years between The Blue Blazer and The Rocket.

 

2) Same with Art Barr as The Juicer. And did he ever get used as anything more than enhancement talent.

 

3) Was the deal with Goldberg injuring himself on the car window down to an arguement with Scott Hall?

 

4) Did Bischoff's plans of giving away Raw results ever work in WCW's favour in terms of ratings, before Foley vs Rock.

 

5) Regarding the D-X Invasion of WCW...did anyone ever have the idea to let D-X into the building at any point and what affect do you believe letting them in would have had on WCW?

There was talk of TNT showing PPV's, but I don't know how serious it ever was.

 

Owen was in for the proverbial cup of coffee in mid to late 1990.

 

The Juicer was in late 1990. He was going to get a good push as an undercard face, but the reporter who ran him out of Oregon kicked up a fuss over a 'rapist' being employed by WCW, and he was hurriedly dropped.

 

On Thunder, Goldberg was taking out the members of the nWo one at a time, and it wound up with him smashing the windows of a limousine in that one of them was in. He had a small metal pipe hidden in his sleeve,which he was using to break the windows, so as to smash them easily. However, the pipe fell out, and because he was still steamed with Hall going against the script earlier in the night, he continued smashing the windows, and wound up slashing an artery in his forearm, and losing a ton of blood.

 

Bischoff giving Raw's results away never made any real mark on the ratings, apart from the Foley title win.

 

D-X at one point almost actually did make it into an arena where WCW was holding Nitro, but that wasn't intentional, and nobody ever considered letting them in. If they had entered, I think it would have been very interesting to see what happened.

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I also have one of the promos on tape, when I used to tape Prisoner Cell Block H

Quality programme

 

I wish they still showed the repeats at like 4am.

[Guest MikeSC]

On the UK coverage subject, was there any truth to the rumour that TNT was planning to show WCW PPVs in some capacity before the buy-out, or was that false. Also...

 

 

1) How long did Owen Hart last in the company. I remember him being around in the early 90s and getting a couple of wins. Must have been in the years between The Blue Blazer and The Rocket.

 

2) Same with Art Barr as The Juicer. And did he ever get used as anything more than enhancement talent.

 

3) Was the deal with Goldberg injuring himself on the car window down to an arguement with Scott Hall?

 

4) Did Bischoff's plans of giving away Raw results ever work in WCW's favour in terms of ratings, before Foley vs Rock.

 

5) Regarding the D-X Invasion of WCW...did anyone ever have the idea to let D-X into the building at any point and what affect do you believe letting them in would have had on WCW?

1) Not too long. A few months. He did virtually nothing.

 

2) Juicer was pretty much always enhancement talent. I don't know what they had planned for him, as they stuck him with enhancement talent Norman for the most part. I HATED his gimmick with a passion.

 

3) GB was supposed to punch through through the windows with a metal pipe --- but he lost it and, idiotically, continued punching --- eventually severing an artery. He bled nicely on the limo hood.

 

4) I doubt it made a noticeable change.

 

5) When D-X arrived at The Scope, the garage doors were apparently open, but they didn't know of that (I remember them mentioning the doors closing). They also allegedly passed and spoke to Luger and Nash on the way to the show. Nothing would have happened since they could not use anybody likeness on-air without their written permission.

-=Mike

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Lane was first debuted as a Chris Jericho look-alike. He and Lodi were together for about 6 mnths I think.

Lenny Lane was compared to Jericho on SNHeat 2 weeks or so ago when he was jobbing to La Rez or somesuch

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3) GB was supposed to punch through through the windows with a metal pipe --- but he lost it and, idiotically, continued punching --- eventually severing an artery. He bled nicely on the limo hood.

 

Goldburg said he did it to show how tough he was, and that he chose to not use the pipe

 

Oh course this led to the classicMonster Truck angle....

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Yeah I'm a lurker but I had to ask some questions as this is a great thread.

 

1.Does anyone know what was suposed to happen with the Apocolypse angle that was started in 97? Who was going to be in it and what were the plans?

 

2. What was the deal with Nash v Goldberg in 2000 for Halls contract when Hall was not in WCW at the time? Was Hall suposed to be involved in the angle or was this just Russo trying to book a worked shoot type angle?

 

3. The whole WCW Fucient restart ideas sound really cool. Does anyone know what big angles they were planing on doing other then the riot thing? Who was going to be in it? What was it going to be called? Any info on that would be just awesome.

 

This whole thread has been a great read and it's a shame that WCW is gone as I really do miss the shitty place.

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1.Does anyone know what was suposed to happen with the Apocolypse angle that was started in 97? Who was going to be in it and what were the plans?

 

2. What was the deal with Nash v Goldberg in 2000 for Halls contract when Hall was not in WCW at the time? Was Hall suposed to be involved in the angle or was this just Russo trying to book a worked shoot type angle?

 

3. The whole WCW Fucient restart ideas sound really cool. Does anyone know what big angles they were planing on doing other then the riot thing? Who was going to be in it? What was it going to be called? Any info on that would be just awesome.

 

This whole thread has been a great read and it's a shame that WCW is gone as I really do miss the shitty place.

Can you be more specific ? The only Apocolypse I remember from WCW was the finisher of The Disciple.

 

It was a worked shoot sort of thing. Behind the scenes, Nash really was fighting to have Hall brought back, but a Turner exec always put the kibosh on it over an incident involving Hall and the exec's neice. Hall was still with WCW at the time of the BatB match, but wasn't being used. And never would be used by them again.

 

This gets explained a few pages back.

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3. The whole WCW Fucient restart ideas sound really cool. Does anyone know what big angles they were planing on doing other then the riot thing? Who was going to be in it? What was it going to be called? Any info on that would be just awesome.

 

 

 

I'm not sure if this has been mentioned previously but a lot of people were suspicious that the Bischoff led regime's first ppv was titled 'The Big Bang Theory', and that this seemed to centre around the renewed main event push of Bischoff's good friend- DDP....

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When did the Horsemen start feuding with the Dungeon of Doom?

 

This might have been answered already, but what was the motivation in taking off Rey's mask?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

When did the Horsemen start feuding with the Dungeon of Doom?

 

This might have been answered already, but what was the motivation in taking off Rey's mask?

Around mid-January 1996

 

They didn't think he was marketable with it on. Evidently, the concept of selling masks was beyond Eric Bischoff.

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1.Does anyone know what was suposed to happen with the Apocolypse angle that was started in 97? Who was going to be in it and what were the plans?

 

2. What was the deal with Nash v Goldberg in 2000 for Halls contract when Hall was not in WCW at the time? Was Hall suposed to be involved in the angle or was this just Russo trying to book a worked shoot type angle?

The appocalyse was supposed to be a group of the next level of main eventers (Malenko, Beniot, Regal and others) who banded together and overtook the old main eventers from their roost

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2.  Bill Watts was asked about the Ron Simmons title win in his shoot interview and said "Name me one other sport where the black athlete doesn't excel."

Hockey and lacrosse. Gimme stuff, Billy.

 

 

Remember Disco Inferno and The Leg Hold? That was a great gimmick. Every week on WCWSN back in late 1996, Disco Inferno bragged about his move, The Leg Hold, that would make him a real contender...once he got it. He would always lose despite talking up The Leg Hold, and eventually, he brought a diagram to the ring with him to refer to mid-match. But it was upside down and he got pinned. Another time, he set the diagram on the apron, but when he went to grab it, knocked it off the apron and couldn't reach. Then one week he finally got The Leg Hold, and upon perfecting this great move that would catapult him to the top of WCW...never used it again, and changed his finisher to a Stone Cold Stunner.

 

WCW.

[deancoles 0]

Remember Disco Inferno and The Leg Hold? That was a great gimmick. Every week on WCWSN back in late 1996, Disco Inferno bragged about his move, The Leg Hold, that would make him a real contender...once he got it. He would always lose despite talking up The Leg Hold, and eventually, he brought a diagram to the ring with him to refer to mid-match. But it was upside down and he got pinned. Another time, he set the diagram on the apron, but when he went to grab it, knocked it off the apron and couldn't reach. Then one week he finally got The Leg Hold, and upon perfecting this great move that would catapult him to the top of WCW...never used it again, and changed his finisher to a Stone Cold Stunner.

 

WCW.

I think he had to change the finisher because during his 6 months out of WCW Yuji Nagata came in with the same move(Nagata Lock)

 

Edit: Mocking Austin and the WWF was probably more important though.

 

I'm pleasantly surprised that Konnan's music video hasn't been mentioned in this topic.How long was that on tv for? All those months and yet the Disco one was shown about 2 times.

Edited November 18, 2004 by deancoles411

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On the Monday Night War DVD, Chris Jericho is bangin a chai against the steel post saying he's "sick and tired of this," was that part, of the show or did Jericho really snap?

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On the Monday Night War DVD, Chris Jericho is bangin a chai against the steel post saying he's "sick and tired of this," was that part, of the show or did Jericho really snap?

It was a set up to his heel turn, basically he'd lose every week to a Heavyweight and after the match he'd hit the ring post with a chair.

 

One week, After a loss to Steve McMichael, he was in the ring during the break shouting at the crowd and stops as soon as he notices they're back on air, Rey Misterio Jr. appears for his match with Juvi for the Cruiserweight Title, Jericho thinks Misterio is interrupting him on purpose, Misterio says he respects Chris and Jericho offers a handshake which Rey accepts before being put in a liontamer.

 

Even though Rey loses the match to Juvi on Nitro he gets a rematch on Thunder which he wins, that same night Jericho beats Eddie Guerrero to become the Number 1 contender for the Cruiserweight Title.

 

At Souled out Jericho wins the Title and injures Misterio's leg.

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On the 2nd Thunder, Flair also kicked Jericho's ass in a match, causing Jericho to throw a temper tantrum.

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One more quick question.

 

Do any current wrestlers for WWE still carry annomosity towards Eric Bsichof, besides Flair?

 

Thanks.

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No one on here could answer that question.

 

Although Flair reportedly hates his guts, from his own words.

[Ed Wood Caulfield 0]

Was the ending to Starrcade 1997 always suppose to be the "fast count" or did Hogan have it changed to that?

 

Why did Nitro go from three hours back to two in late 1999, and why was Thunder moved from Thursdays to Wednesdays?

 

How much money did WCW lose in 2000?

 

When did it become clear to the wrestlers and the people running WCW that it was going out of business, and that it needed to be sold? In late 2000 or early 2001?

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On the Monday Night War DVD, Chris Jericho is bangin a chai against the steel post saying he's "sick and tired of this," was that part, of the show or did Jericho really snap?

It was a set up to his heel turn, basically he'd lose every week to a Heavyweight and after the match he'd hit the ring post with a chair.

 

One week, After a loss to Steve McMichael, he was in the ring during the break shouting at the crowd and stops as soon as he notices they're back on air, Rey Misterio Jr. appears for his match with Juvi for the Cruiserweight Title, Jericho thinks Misterio is interrupting him on purpose, Misterio says he respects Chris and Jericho offers a handshake which Rey accepts before being put in a liontamer.

 

Even though Rey loses the match to Juvi on Nitro he gets a rematch on Thunder which he wins, that same night Jericho beats Eddie Guerrero to become the Number 1 contender for the Cruiserweight Title.

 

At Souled out Jericho wins the Title and injures Misterio's leg.

One neat caveat to that angle that hasn't been mentioned:

 

Every week during Jericho's temper tantrum, he would rip up David Penzer's suit, then buy him a new one as an "apology" before losing the match and destroying it.

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Was the ending to Starrcade 1997 always suppose to be the "fast count" or did Hogan have it changed to that?

 

It was always supposed to be a "fast count" with the overall theme being that the match would be a retred of the 1997 Survivor Series screwjob but with Bret Hart stepping in and using his special referee power that he had that night to "make things right". But the fast count got screwed up (either on purpose via the "Hogan bribed Patrick" theory or do to WCW's usual fucked up luck).

 

On the Monday Night War DVD, Chris Jericho is bangin a chair against the steel post saying he's "sick and tired of this," was that part, of the show or did Jericho really snap?

 

That was part of Chris Jericho's initial heel turn. He lost several matches on Nitro and after each match he'd grab a chair and have a temper tantrum in the ring. The following week, before his next match, Jericho would always make a huge ass deal about apologizing for his tantrum the previous week before his match. The apologies were blatantly fake and totally insincere and always ended with Jericho giving what would become his catchphrase as a heel, which was "I'll never, evvvveerrrr do it again". Which would be followed up with a new tantrum and ultimately would evolve in his cheapshotting the various faces he fought until he became a full-fledge heel.

 

When did the Horsemen start feuding with the Dungeon of Doom?

 

Spring 1996. When Hogan left for hiatus after the Three-Cages of Doom Farce, the alliance between the Horsemen and the DOD fell apart with the DOD basically picking on the weakened and half-strength version of the Horsemen (who had lost Brian Pillman). It ultimately came to a head with Mongo joining the team and Flair and company beating the shit out of everyone including Randy Savage/Kevin Green.

 

Can you be more specific ? The only Apocolypse I remember from WCW was the finisher of The Disciple.

 

Imfamous aborted storyline from 1997. Basically Chris Benoit (who at the time was the Red-Headed Stepchild of the Horsemen at the time) would turn against Flair for allowing Jeff Jarrett to join the Horsemen and for letting Jarrett and Mongo feud distract the group from the NWO and gaining the gold. Benoit would quit the Horsemen and decide that he was going to form his own stable called "Apocalypse" upon the notion that the Horsemen were frauds and his group were the real deal. His team would have consisted of Benoit, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrerro, and Steven Regal and they would have feuded with the Horsemen in order to get Benoit and company over as top level wrestlers.

 

The storyline was aborted with the reason given that Hogan, Hall, and Nash were to blame. Supposedly they did so because they didn't like the notion of Benoit and company getting a rub from beating up the Four Horsemen like that/a rival group that would take valuable Nitro time from the NWO....

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3) GB was supposed to punch through through the windows with a metal pipe --- but he lost it and, idiotically, continued punching --- eventually severing an artery. He bled nicely on the limo hood.

 

I think that might be the last truely classic moment WCW offered until the RAW/Nitro simulcast. I remember being fucking pumped because Goldberg looked like a total badass and it actually had me interested in the nWo 2000 because he was set to make an awesome babyface. The blood going everywhere totally put it over the top, I just didn't think he was stupid enough to do an angle like that and actually fuck himself up so bad. The angle fucking DIED when he went out.

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I'm pleasantly surprised that Konnan's music video hasn't been mentioned in this topic

 

Man, I wish you hadn't brought that up. They showed that shit every week for like two months, they were so fucking desperate to keep Konnan over. Didn't it have a remix?

 

Anything music related in WCW, apart from entrance themes, was a horrible disaster. Music videos, KISS, Master P, whoever the fucking country & western dudes they brought in were, THAT FUCKING DJ, it all sucked.

 

Re: Apocalypse, I've never liked that name first of all and I think it's just something the net cooked up because they needed something to call them.

 

The angle definitely would have got over with the WCW crowd, probably get them pushed into a feud with the nWo if people aren't interfering with the booking, but I always wondered who the 4th Horseman was going to be. AA was already out or on the way out of active duty. Jarrett wasn't over at that point (the dicking around with the Horsemen with no payoff would have been rectified though, maybe he would have picked up heat from that), Mongo was still green, they would have needed a strong 4th man. I can't think of anyone at that time who would have fit the Horsemen other than Luger, but I wonder who WCW had in mind.

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I'm pleasantly surprised that Konnan's music video hasn't been mentioned in this topic

 

Man, I wish you hadn't brought that up. They showed that shit every week for like two months, they were so fucking desperate to keep Konnan over. Didn't it have a remix?

It was great when Disco Inferno dubbed himself in.

 

"Arriba la raza! Oil of Olay, all day. Every day?"

 

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I'm pleasantly surprised that Konnan's music video hasn't been mentioned in this topic

 

Man, I wish you hadn't brought that up. They showed that shit every week for like two months, they were so fucking desperate to keep Konnan over. Didn't it have a remix?

It was great when Disco Inferno dubbed himself in.

 

"Arriba la raza! Oil of Olay, all day. Every day?"

 

That MADE Nitro, he'd come on commentary and pimp it, then it would come on and Shiavone would bitch, and it would still rule the rest of the show.

 

Turn over to Raw after that

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If it hasn't been said enough yet, PLEASE read the recaps at DDT Digest. http://www.ddtdigest.com/features/downfall.htm is a great resource because you can find shows based off each funny picture.

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This thread needs to be refreshed, and what better choice than

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It got beyond absurd watching WCW try to find as many ways as possible to plug Surge. When they had the cameras on the announce table, they sometimes practically shoved the stuff through the camera.

 

Are there any questions that have not yet been asked ?

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Did we even BOTHER asking "who drove the Hummer"?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

That one got asked a few pages back.