WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

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When the Hogan/Flair cage match was done at Havoc 94, was Flair planning to take some time off? Planning to retire? Why have a retirement match and then return a few months later dressed as a woman to attack Randy Savage?

They began planning Flair's return before he even lost the match. As for why they did it, with Hogan having played superman in their previous matches, and not even losing at the Clash where he had an excuse after getting attacked, WCW realised that Hogan v Flair on PPV III had no juice, so they threw in the retirement stipulation to try and raise interest. Even then, they were so scared that nobody would believe Hogan was going to lose, that they tried to add intrigue by teasing that Mr T, who I think was the guest ref or something, might turn on Hogan.

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Rhodes, and Blacktop Bully, were fired right after Uncensored 1995, for blading in their King Of The Road match. The agent in charge of the match, Mike Graham, who had okayed the blading, was fired too.

And here lies one of the major problems WCW had. They hyped that show as being this wild affair...and then fire people for actually trying to live up to the hype. Heaven forbid two people who "hate each other" would actually show it on camera.

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Rhodes, and Blacktop Bully, were fired right after Uncensored 1995, for blading in their King Of The Road match. The agent in charge of the match, Mike Graham, who had okayed the blading, was fired too.

And here lies one of the major problems WCW had. They hyped that show as being this wild affair...and then fire people for actually trying to live up to the hype. Heaven forbid two people who "hate each other" would actually show it on camera.

There was some speculation that it was a set-up to get them fired, because WCW wanted to get rid of some of the bigger money contracts, one of which was Rhodes'. WCW had a no blading policy at the time, and despite the fact they were told to blade by the agent, Eric Bischoff's reasoning was that they should have known better, and not done it.

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How did Jerry Sags of the Nasty Boys get hurt so that he had to retire?

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What led to Dustin Rhodes leaving WCW and going to the WWF as Goldust in 1995? Wasn't he getting a big push since he was Dusty's son, or had that disappeared when Hogan came in?

 

How did Savage debut in WCW? What was his first major feud?

 

Why did Vader leave WCW?

 

Was Bret Hart ever close to being the "third man" in the whole Bash at the Beach 96 deal, or was it always planned to be Hogan?

Rhodes, and Blacktop Bully, were fired right after Uncensored 1995, for blading in their King Of The Road match. The agent in charge of the match, Mike Graham, who had okayed the blading, was fired too.

 

Savage debuted on a live WCWSN doing a promo about Hogan, saying he was either going to shake his hand or punch him out.

 

He left because he got into a fight with Paul Orndorff, and he and Eric Bischoff couldn't agree on a punishment, plus there were other forces who didn't want Vader in.

 

Bret was the first choice for being the "third man", but it never really came close to happening. Then it was going to be Luger, but that was felt to be too obvious, so they went with Hogan.

Bret Hart was NEVER the choice to be the third man, and it was ALWAYS Hogan. And that was known for a while.

 

Straight from Dave Meltzer

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Bret Hart was NEVER the choice to be the third man, and it was ALWAYS Hogan. And that was known for a while.

 

Straight from Dave Meltzer

As for the identity of the third part in the 7/7 main event, it’s really a secret. Lex Luger, which was the original plan, I can’t see happening because it would almost be an exact duplicate of the Steve McMichael angle and it’s too soon to do it again. It could still happen but I don’t think it will. Bischoff, Hall and Nash were discussing names this past week with Mabel as the top candidate. Crush was being considered for a brief period and then dismissed. All agreed Bret Hart would be the best candidate, and WCW even floated the idea it would be Hart on its hotline over the weekend (you’d think after the lawsuit they’d refrain from doing that crap) but Hart has turned down every offer thrown his way. Supposedly, Bischoff has in the past few days told Hall and Nash to trust him on this one, but admitted that if they bring someone other than Hart in, and it isn’t going to be Hart, that it will come across as a letdown. It also could be another WCW wrestler turning on the company.

 

Straight from the Observer newsletter.

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The saddest part of the third man bit is the only place I saw that even speculated Hogan would join Hall and Nash was an issue of PWI Weekly.

 

Seriously.

 

I remember somebody else (I think it was Alex Marvez but don't quote me on that) claiming he knew but refusing to tell anybody because he didn't want to lose the confidence of his sources.

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The saddest part of the third man bit is the only place I saw that even speculated Hogan would join Hall and Nash was an issue of PWI Weekly.

 

Seriously.

 

I remember somebody else (I think it was Alex Marvez but don't quote me on that) claiming he knew but refusing to tell anybody because he didn't want to lose the confidence of his sources.

As a follow up to this, in the the Observer that reviewed BATB, Meltzer said that Hogan only agreed to the turn 11 days before the show.

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Bret Hart was NEVER the choice to be the third man, and it was ALWAYS Hogan. And that was known for a while.

 

Straight from Dave Meltzer

As for the identity of the third part in the 7/7 main event, it’s really a secret. Lex Luger, which was the original plan, I can’t see happening because it would almost be an exact duplicate of the Steve McMichael angle and it’s too soon to do it again. It could still happen but I don’t think it will. Bischoff, Hall and Nash were discussing names this past week with Mabel as the top candidate. Crush was being considered for a brief period and then dismissed. All agreed Bret Hart would be the best candidate, and WCW even floated the idea it would be Hart on its hotline over the weekend (you’d think after the lawsuit they’d refrain from doing that crap) but Hart has turned down every offer thrown his way. Supposedly, Bischoff has in the past few days told Hall and Nash to trust him on this one, but admitted that if they bring someone other than Hart in, and it isn’t going to be Hart, that it will come across as a letdown. It also could be another WCW wrestler turning on the company.

 

Straight from the Observer newsletter.

Then Meltzer is changing or revising his story, because in another forum he said Bret Hart was never going to be the third member.

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1. Does anyone remember some sort of shoot incident where Jerry Saggs and Scott Hall got into a fight backstage? I seem to remember Hall appearing with a black eye but I cant remember the details.

 

2. What was the deal with Dean Malenko injuring Jerry Lynn when he was JL? Didnt Malenko have to job to Lynn as a way of apology?

 

3. Didnt Alex Wright once have some kind of brain tumor?

 

4. What was the full lineup of the Dungeon Of Doom? I remember Kamala being there but I cant remember a few.

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1. Does anyone remember some sort of shoot incident where Jerry Saggs and Scott Hall got into a fight backstage? I seem to remember Hall appearing with a black eye but I cant remember the details.

 

3. Didnt Alex Wright once have some kind of brain tumor?

 

4. What was the full lineup of the Dungeon Of Doom? I remember Kamala being there but I cant remember a few.

Saggs got upset when Hall hit him with a chair during a match, but used the edge of the chair instead of the flat back. Saggs responded by hitting Hall with some stiff punches, that required some dental work for Hall. This all went down in the ring.

 

He had a brain aneurysm around mid-2000, I think. It pretty much spelled the end of his WCW career, as he never returned, as he couldn't take any blows to his head. He's recovered now, and I think he still wrestles.

 

In all, the DoD had these members:

 

The Master, Kevin Sullivan, Shark, Zodiac, Konnan, The Barbarian, Loch Ness, Meng, The Yeti, Vader, Hugh Morrus, The Leprechaun, Maxx Muscle, Jimmy Hart, Big Bubba Rogers, Kamala, One Man Gang and The Giant

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How did Jerry Sags of the Nasty Boys get hurt so that he had to retire?

Hall and Nash stiffed him at World War 3

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How did Jerry Sags of the Nasty Boys get hurt so that he had to retire?

Hall and Nash stiffed him at World War 3

I thought is was a houseshow, where Nash got a bat and attacked them cause they stiffed Scott Hall?

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How did Jerry Sags of the Nasty Boys get hurt so that he had to retire?

Hall and Nash stiffed him at World War 3

I thought is was a houseshow, where Nash got a bat and attacked them cause they stiffed Scott Hall?

It was a house show in Shreveport LA. And Nash suposedly confronted them with the bat, but nothing actually happeneed beyond words being exchanged.

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How did Jerry Sags of the Nasty Boys get hurt so that he had to retire?

Hall and Nash stiffed him at World War 3

I thought is was a houseshow, where Nash got a bat and attacked them cause they stiffed Scott Hall?

It was a house show in Shreveport LA. And Nash suposedly confronted them with the bat, but nothing actually happeneed beyond words being exchanged.

I got a question

 

If Benoit didn't leave for the WWF after he won the title, what angle did they have planned? Cause I remember Nash won the match to be Commish, and told Benoit his life was going to be a living hell and the title was coming back to the nWo.

 

I figured he was going to feud with Nash over the title...that would've been interesting (Not that feud, but what Benoit would've have done period).

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If Benoit didn't leave for the WWF after he won the title, what angle did they have planned? Cause I remember Nash won the match to be Commish, and told Benoit his life was going to be a living hell and the title was coming back to the nWo.

 

I figured he was going to feud with Nash over the title...that would've been interesting (Not that feud, but what Benoit would've have done period).

I don't know what, if anything, they had planned for Benoit during his reign, but I can tell you what was planned for Nitro. As commissioner, Nash was going to force Benoit to defend his title three times in one night, against Lex Luger, Brian Knobs, and someone else. Benoit would beat all three clean, which would get him over big. The feeling was this idea was presented to Benoit as a way to feed his ego, with the thinking being that he'd stay with such a push. Obviously, it didn't work, and he left.

 

It should be noted that when Luger heard he was doing a clean job to Benoit, he claimed to have a neck injury and couldn't wrestle. When Benoit left, and Luger was instead booked to go over Bam Bam Bigelow, his neck magically healed, and he was fine.

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Wasn't Sullivan going to being a booker at that point? If so, I bet he would have made sure Benoit's title run was made into a joke or sabatoged it in some way and that's another reason why Benoit left.

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When the Hogan/Flair cage match was done at Havoc 94, was Flair planning to take some time off? Planning to retire? Why have a retirement match and then return a few months later dressed as a woman to attack Randy Savage?

They began planning Flair's return before he even lost the match. As for why they did it, with Hogan having played superman in their previous matches, and not even losing at the Clash where he had an excuse after getting attacked, WCW realised that Hogan v Flair on PPV III had no juice, so they threw in the retirement stipulation to try and raise interest. Even then, they were so scared that nobody would believe Hogan was going to lose, that they tried to add intrigue by teasing that Mr T, who I think was the guest ref or something, might turn on Hogan.

No plans for Flair to retire. He agreed to do the match if he got a contract extension of three years. Supposedly, nothing was totally settled until Flair arrived in Detroit the day of the ppv.

 

Mr. T was the guest ref. Yep, they filmed Flair with T (at Michael Jordan's restaurant in Chicago). But in true WCW fashion, it was a far away shot and they said it was Flair and he was with someone who looked like T.

 

Flair showed up on television again at January 1995's Clash of Champions and interfered in Vader-Hogan at SuperBrawl in February. Both of those were deals where he "bought a ticket". Flair was only allowed on WCW TV if he purchased his own time.

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Raven wanted Chastity's full name to be Chastity Slutworth when she came in to WCW.

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What ever happened to Scott Norton?

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What ever happened to Scott Norton?

Wrestling in Japan. He was at a Masa Chono Anniversary show early this month.

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Wasn't Sullivan going to being a booker at that point? If so, I bet he would have made sure Benoit's title run was made into a joke or sabatoged it in some way and that's another reason why Benoit left.

Sullivan has said he never once sabotaged Benoit's career in the past and had no intentions of doing so in the future. He has said he can seperate his personal and professional lives.

 

Hard to say if it's true --- but that is Kev's side.

-=Mike

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Wasn't Sullivan going to being a booker at that point?  If so, I bet he would have made sure Benoit's title run was made into a joke or sabatoged it in some way and that's another reason why Benoit left.

Sullivan has said he never once sabotaged Benoit's career in the past and had no intentions of doing so in the future. He has said he can seperate his personal and professional lives.

 

Hard to say if it's true --- but that is Kev's side.

-=Mike

I don't if that's true or not, but, there's no reason Benoit should haven't been U.S. champion atleast once the amount of times he fought DDP and Raven for them titles.

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I think the fact that with Sullivan booking, Benoit only appeared on 6 PPV's during 1998, and did clean jobs in 4 of them, tells you something was up. Especially considering that some stuff that made it to PPV had no business doing so, and Benoit could easily have been put on instead, and you'd have at least had a good match added.

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Well Sulli is either personally biased towards Benoit or is a really stupid booker.

 

 

I am not sure what he prefers.

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Also the fact Benoit won the WCW TV title, but the two title wins happened at house shows was fucking ridiculous and was never recognized as far as I know by the announcers so it made the 3 months feud with Booker made Benoit look like a joke in terms of character handlement.

 

 

 

 

 

When was the last time Ted Dibiase was seen on WCW TV?

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When did Goldberg start to get his police escort entrance to the ring?

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WCW World Champion Bill Goldberg's first police escort to the ring came on the July 27th, 1998 edition of WCW Monday Nitro.

 

Goldberg was escorted to the ring for an "exclusive, first-time ever interview" with "Mean" Gene Okerlund. The police were there to escort him due to Goldberg's locker room having been earlier destroyed and spray-painted by the New World Order.

 

So Goldberg gets made to look like a pussy by having cops escort him to the ring after the nWo damages his room...

 

And Goldberg is made to TALK, thus killing his "silent killer" gimmick...

 

Oh, and he talks about HOGAN...

 

Wonder who wrote this show.

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What would have been the Starrcade 99 main event had Russo not come in? Sting/Goldberg would have made the most sense but this is WCW we're talking about.

 

Edit: Hogan/Hart wouldn't have been bad either as long as the World Title stayed out of it.

Edited November 28, 2004 by deancoles411

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WCW World Champion Hulk Hogan Vs. The Total Package would have likely headlined Starrcade 1999.

 

And I'm not being sarcastic or bullshitting you.