WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

...and when is a US title match a PPV main event anyway?

When putting the World Champion on PPV might get him over.

[Just John 0]

Easy question for anyone brave enough to watch WCW in 99...

 

When/how did DDP turn heel, and then back to a face?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Easy question for anyone brave enough to watch WCW in 99...

 

When/how did DDP turn heel, and then back to a face?

It had something to do with him turning on Nash, which built up to their match at Slamboree(?). As for him turning back face, I think it may have been something to do with Kimberly. The face turn came at a time when Russo was booking, so there were a million things happening every second, so it's hard to keep track.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

DDP's heel turn began on the 04-19-99 edition of Nitro. He made a "shout out!" to Hogan, who was a face, and at home recovering from a knee injury, annoying the fans. Then he commented that Goldberg wanted a title shot, Goldberg wanted to be like DDP...but it wasn't happening. Goldberg came out, the match was on.

 

During the match, DDP used a foreign object in his tights, and pulled the referee between him during a spear. he repeatedly used the object, and went to ringpost figure 4 Goldberg. DDP threw the ref into the guardrail, and then hit Nash with the title belt when Nash tried to save Goldberg.

 

They also promoted DDP as the guy who caused Hogan's injury via ringpost figure 4 at Spring Stampede.

 

Next week, Roddy Piper tells DDP to defend the title against Sting. Page is boo'd heavily. Page refused. Piper ORDERS him to. Page loses the title to Sting.

 

Later in the show, a 4-way match is ordered, Sting Vs. Page Vs. Nash Vs. Goldberg. With illegal tactics, an assist from Randy Savage, brass knucks, and a Diamond Cutter, Page regains the title by pinning Nash.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

The face turn:

 

Page stayed heel with the triad into the summer. Heel in fall, losing to Goldberg and defeating Flair at Fall Brawl and Havoc, respectively. At Mayhem, he saved Kimberly from the psychotic David Flair, then beat David at Starrcade, still wrestling/acting like a heel.

 

Starting feuding with Bagwell (Page the heel) over rumors of Bagwell/Kim affair.

 

Late January '00, started coming to ring w/ Kim and beating likes of Disco Inferno. Started "signalling" for Diamond Cutter again and getting face pops.

 

Given considerable time off before returning to WCW for "New Blood" angle, pushed as a top face.

[BUTT 0]

Here's something I've always wondered: How the fuck did Husker Du's Bob Mould get a job on the WCW booking team?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Here's something I've always wondered: How the fuck did Husker Du's Bob Mould get a job on the WCW booking team?

I believe he had a connection with one of the office staff. He was a long time wrestling fan, though, so he at least had some idea of what to do.

[Precious Roy 0]

DDP's heel turn began on the 04-19-99 edition of Nitro.  He made a "shout out!" to Hogan, who was a face, and at home recovering from a knee injury, annoying the fans.  Then he commented that Goldberg wanted a title shot, Goldberg wanted to be like DDP...but it wasn't happening.  Goldberg came out, the match was on.

 

During the match, DDP used a foreign object in his tights, and pulled the referee between him during a spear.  he repeatedly used the object, and went to ringpost figure 4 Goldberg.  DDP threw the ref into the guardrail, and then hit Nash with the title belt when Nash tried to save Goldberg.

 

They also promoted DDP as the guy who caused Hogan's injury via ringpost figure 4 at Spring Stampede.

 

Next week, Roddy Piper tells DDP to defend the title against Sting.  Page is boo'd heavily.  Page refused.  Piper ORDERS him to.  Page loses the title to Sting.

 

Later in the show, a 4-way match is ordered, Sting Vs. Page Vs. Nash Vs. Goldberg.  With illegal tactics, an assist from Randy Savage, brass knucks, and a Diamond Cutter, Page regains the title by pinning Nash.

I'd really started zoning out on WCW at this point in time, but some of this makes no sense to me....

 

Wasn't DDP a mega-over face when he won the belt? And weren't WCW fans not that into Hogan at that point? I don't get why a sarcastic comment directed at Hogan would get DDP that much heel heat. Was Hogan even a face at this point, I thought he was still nWo in early 99?

 

Was Piper the commish at this time?

 

And why was Savage interfering on behalf of DDP? I don't remember them ever being aligned together.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

DDP wasn't that over. He was over to a degree, but him coming out as World Champion was like Ronnie Garvin coming out; he's a nice guy and all, but him being World Champion just didn't look right.

 

And Hogan turned face again at Uncensored in March.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

DDP was the lesser of two evils to Savage, who wanted Nash's death (and later title belt).

[LessonInMachismo 0]

DDP's heel turn began on the 04-19-99 edition of Nitro.  He made a "shout out!" to Hogan, who was a face, and at home recovering from a knee injury, annoying the fans.  Then he commented that Goldberg wanted a title shot, Goldberg wanted to be like DDP...but it wasn't happening.  Goldberg came out, the match was on.

 

During the match, DDP used a foreign object in his tights, and pulled the referee between him during a spear.  he repeatedly used the object, and went to ringpost figure 4 Goldberg.  DDP threw the ref into the guardrail, and then hit Nash with the title belt when Nash tried to save Goldberg.

 

They also promoted DDP as the guy who caused Hogan's injury via ringpost figure 4 at Spring Stampede.

 

Next week, Roddy Piper tells DDP to defend the title against Sting.  Page is boo'd heavily.  Page refused.  Piper ORDERS him to.  Page loses the title to Sting.

 

Later in the show, a 4-way match is ordered, Sting Vs. Page Vs. Nash Vs. Goldberg.  With illegal tactics, an assist from Randy Savage, brass knucks, and a Diamond Cutter, Page regains the title by pinning Nash.

I'd really started zoning out on WCW at this point in time, but some of this makes no sense to me....

 

Wasn't DDP a mega-over face when he won the belt? And weren't WCW fans not that into Hogan at that point? I don't get why a sarcastic comment directed at Hogan would get DDP that much heel heat. Was Hogan even a face at this point, I thought he was still nWo in early 99?

 

Was Piper the commish at this time?

 

And why was Savage interfering on behalf of DDP? I don't remember them ever being aligned together.

DDP's heel turn was teased much earlier. His overmess was on the decline (along with interest in the product at this time), but this was definitely a major catalyst:

 

"WCW TV Champ Scott Steiner KO Diamond Dallas Page (13:53)."

 

That was at Superbrawl. Some time in the prior month or two, BPP had come out and interrupted a Nitro Girl number and came on to them. He then became obsessed with Kimberly, almost doing an insane gimmick, thinking she was coming on to him. I have this all on tape, but I am not going to search through dozens of tapes to find it, so I will have to go by memory. Anyways, BPP cut a promo to set up a match for SuperBrawl. I remember it word for word because they actually did a good job of promoting it:

 

"Diamond Dallas Page...you got nothin' I want, you got nothin' I need! But you DO got someone who wants me! So at SuperBrawl, after I BEAT you, I'm gonna take your wife and show her what it's like to be with a REAL man! Big Poppa Pump is your hook up...holler if ya hear me!"

 

So, somehow, DDP agreed to a match where BPP would get Kimberly for "forty days and forty nights" (stupid) if he won. The heel won and Kimberly had to go. DDP did a Mike Tenay interview on a Nitro after a few weeks off. The heel turn was hinted at, as he kept berating himself for basically being too nice a guy.

 

Then there was the Spring Stampede Hogan injury to play up. Hogan had turned face at Uncensored, as HTQ mentioned, in a strange angle/match with Flair. DDP then aligned himself with Kanyon and BBB and became the East Coast (or Jersey) Triad. It didn't make a lot of sense, as in DDP's first true heel promo he said he didn't need anyone...look at his song, he told us, "self high-five!"

 

The face turn was gradual and did not have a defining moment, as UTSU illustrated.

[Precious Roy 0]

Thanks for the info guys. Here's a couple more questions:

 

Why did Savage want death to Nash? What's the timeline from him being in the Wolfpac in 98 to this point in 99? And how did Nash go from the Fingerpoke of Doom to getting cheered in time for the feud with Savage?

 

Also on Kimberly, how was her thing with Steiner handled? Was there any follow up?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Savage wanted death to Nash probably coming off of Savage helping DDP beat Nash in the aforementioned 4-way. Savage was in the Wolfpac until April/May of 1998, when he had to have surgery on a torn ACL. He came back in the lead-up to Spring Stampede 1999. Nash got cheered because he was a 'cool heel', and never really did much to get booed anyway.

 

There was no follow up to Kimberly-Steiner, because she refused to work with him.

[Jericholic82 0]

well hogan did turn face in march basically and the nwo basically died off save for the balck and white b team.

 

Savage turned heel earlier, on the nitro after starrcade 98, he came to the ring as a surprise and tried to help bischoff beat flair (he lowblowed flair) then he dissapered till spring stampede. if you recall DDP and Hogan had a match on nitro prior to SS where page acted like a heel. after he won, his first title match was on nitro against Scott and he acted like a face. after that all heel. Nash was still techincally a heel at SS and lost to Goldberg, who finally got revenge for nash ending his streak and stealing the title. Nash challenged DDP for the title and boom Face turn. Nash would turn heel again after he lost the title at bash at the beach and lose to hogan in a retirement vs world title match at road wild. Nash was back within a month sitting with scott hall in the audience at nitros.

 

and a follow up line by steiner on Kim I have memorized went like this

 

"Page, when you're on your back, screaming in pain, your wife will be on her back, screaming my name!!!!"

 

 

Too bad Scotty didnt have the skills anymore by the time they pushed him as a singles guy.

 

 

savage had the hummer run over nash so yea Id say he wanted death

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Im watching the last Nitro of 98, when Flair won the Presidency from Bischoff...

 

Why did Bischoff let Flair get the win over him and run things on screen? Was it really for 90 days or did something happen (fade offs, angle dropped)? Probably not, but was there any long term plan for this?

[tommytomlin 0]

I forget the specifics of what happened after Flair won, aside from the fact that he went crazy with power and ended up turning heel, but the reason why Bischoff let Flair go over him was because if he hadn't, the fans would have deserted WCW in absolute droves. Bischoff going over at Starrcade was bad enough, having it happen twice in two nights would have suicide.

[Team Angle Pusher 0]

I never watched WCW so I suck at there history, so here is probably a stupid question: when and why did the original nWo split up? Into how many factions and what were they called? Were they Heel or Face? Why the hell did everybody join the nWo, that never made sense.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Savage turned heel earlier, on the nitro after starrcade 98, he came to the ring as a surprise and tried to help bischoff beat flair (he lowblowed flair) then he dissapered till spring stampede.

Wow, are you sure? For some reason, I remember Savage helping Flair, not Bisch.

 

Bischoff "let" Flair go over because he was desperate to get ratings. Remember, he also lost to David Flair the next week and had his head shaved. Something like that would have been better on a PPV, with actual buildup and stuff, though I can speak for myself when I say that it wouldn't have made a difference to me.

 

As far as the 90-day stip, Flair beat someone else so it was for life. I don't remember who or when. Then Piper returned and tried to become president by beating him. It was a clusterfuck. Don't even try to make any sense out of it all.

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The Horsemen and nWo Hollywood were fighting on the floor, and Savage came out with Gorgeous George wearing an nWo shirt, then got in and gave the sign to the Giant, who had interfered. He then low blowed the Giant and clotheslined him out of the ring.

 

As far as the 90-day stip, Flair beat someone else so it was for life. I don't remember who or when.

It was the cage match against Hogan.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

The Horsemen and nWo Hollywood were fighting on the floor, and Savage came out with Gorgeous George wearing an nWo shirt, then got in and gave the sign to the Giant, who had interfered. He then low blowed the Giant and clotheslined him out of the ring.

 

As far as the 90-day stip, Flair beat someone else so it was for life. I don't remember who or when.

It was the cage match against Hogan.

That explains it. That match was so convoluted that I try to forget it.

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As far as DDP, I always thought he should have beat Hogan for the title in early '98 (I think it was around then) when he had massive face heat. By '99 he had already lost a lot of his steam.

[syxx2001 0]

Im watching the 1/25/99 Nitro and Bret Hart is HILARIOUS.

 

"Who is Booker T to challenge me and get a non title match no less? He's a loser. Ive been sizing guys up since I came to WCW, I have some contenders in mind..."

 

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Im watching the 1/25/99 Nitro and Bret Hart is HILARIOUS.

 

"Who is Booker T to challenge me and get a non title match no less? He's a loser. Ive been sizing guys up since I came to WCW, I have some contenders in mind..."

 

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

Was Bret U.S. Champ here?

[LessonInMachismo 0]

Im watching the 1/25/99 Nitro and Bret Hart is HILARIOUS.

 

"Who is Booker T to challenge me and get a non title match no less? He's a loser. Ive been sizing guys up since I came to WCW, I have some contenders in mind..."

 

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

Was Bret U.S. Champ here?

Bret Hart [3] 98/11/30 Chattanooga, TN

Roddy Piper [3] 99/02/08 Buffalo, NY

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Cool, my memory of 1998-99 WCW is foggy at best.

[Placebo Effect 0]

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

I remember that being a thing of beauty.

[LessonInMachismo 0]

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

I remember that being a thing of beauty.

And you can just hear Bret saying it.

[Slickster 0]

At this point Im thinking Chris Benoit...

 

"El Dandy, I think you are a heck of a wrestler, a really mark up guy and a real professional so if you would like a shot." "You cant choose El Dandy, he's a cruiserweight. He isnt in your division" "Well what about Cosis?" "You mean Psicosis?" "Yeah, Psicosis, whatever"

I remember that being a thing of beauty.

And you can just hear Bret saying it.

Hey, who are you to doubt El Dandy?

[BUTT 0]

Two quick questions:

 

1) Was it really Shane Douglas in the FIRST Dos Hombres-Hollywood Blonds match (not the Slamboree one but the non-title match on free TV)?

 

2) Is it true that Randy Savage bought the rights to the name "Gorgeous George" with the intention of having his brother use it, only to give it to his girlfriend when Lanny's deal fell through?

[Guest MikeSC]

Two quick questions:

 

1) Was it really Shane Douglas in the FIRST Dos Hombres-Hollywood Blonds match (not the Slamboree one but the non-title match on free TV)?

1) No. He was gone. I thought the first guy was Brad Armstrong and the guy in the PPV was Zenk.

2) Is it true that Randy Savage bought the rights to the name "Gorgeous George" with the intention of having his brother use it, only to give it to his girlfriend when Lanny's deal fell through?

I thought he bought it specifically for his girl.

-=Mike