WCW facts, tidbits, and stuff people forgot

[Jericholic82 0]

In particular, the Rection-Storm match held at Halloween Havoc 00.

 

No, it was Fall Brawl.

right. at Havoc Rection actually won the US title in a handicap match vs Storm and Duggan

[King Kamala 0]

Follow up question; how did Duggan justify turning?

 

 

I remember him being a heel but I don't remember the how (Until a couple of days ago) and why.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

It had something to do with the Varsity Club IIRC.

[Jericholic82 0]

Follow up question; how did Duggan justify turning?

 

 

I remember him being a heel but I don't remember the how (Until a couple of days ago) and why.

He explained it by mentioning how when Goldberg beat him up a few months back (when berg was a heel and Duggan challenged him on nitro during his comeback from cancer), the fans didnt care and cheered Goldberg for it, so now he hated America for being uncaring. Or something to that effect.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Re: Goldberg vs. Hogan

 

The match wasn’t even originally going to happen. Then, Hogan saw the huge advance for the Georgia Dome, and proposed a Goldberg vs. Hogan non-title dark match. His idea was that Turner brass, a lot of whom would be in attendance at the show, would be there, see the huge crowd and be tricked into thinking that Hogan drew the house. Then, the ratings for the week before came in and Bischoff panicked into putting the match on TV with only a few days notice.

 

The ratings for that period were as follows:

 

June 29th: Nitro – 4.1, Raw – 5.4

July 6th: Nitro – 4.8, Raw – 4.0; Goldberg vs. Hogan

July 13th: Nitro – 4.5, Raw – 4.7

 

Eric Bischoff gave away $7M+ in PPV money to win the ratings battle for one week

[iliketurtles 0]

I don't know about 7 million dollars.

 

I mean they were charging 30 at the time...so even if they did a million buyrates (which I doubt) and had some big sponsorships, you're looking at around 5.

[Zack Malibu 0]

Regarding HH'98, the feed went out before the main event of Goldberg vs. DDP for the World Title. They aired the match in full the following night on Nitro.

[geniusMoment 0]

Wilford Brimley was once considered for a role in a group that was to be known as "The Banana Hammocks", but the role was later given to Bam Bam Bigelow after Brimley got cold feet.

[Guest netslob]

uh...come again?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I don't know about 7 million dollars.

 

I mean they were charging 30 at the time...so even if they did a million buyrates (which I doubt) and had some big sponsorships, you're looking at around 5.

The number of buys would have been at least 600,000. Even at $30 a pop, and I think it was nearer to $35, that's still $18m in PPV revenue, of which WCW would have received around $5-6m at least. Assuming 40,000 at the Georgia Dome, with an average ticket price of $40, that's $1.6m at the gate. Add in an average of $30 per head in merchandise, that's another $1.2m. Combine that all and you're looking at around $8m.

 

Regarding HH'98, the feed went out before the main event of Goldberg vs. DDP for the World Title. They aired the match in full the following night on Nitro.

 

What happened was that the PPV was set to go 3hrs and 15 minutes. The problem was that there was a miscommunication between WCW and Viewers Choice and the cable people, and they didn't get word that the PPV was going longer than 2hrs 50 minutes that the PPV was originally scheduled to last for. Around a quarter of PPV systems around the country cut out before the end of the PPV, some just before the end of Hogan vs. Warrior match and some as the Goldberg vs. DDP match was being introduced. WCW wound up replaying the Goldberg vs. DDP match on Nitro the next night, and it garned a 7.18 rating.

[Alro 0]

The WWF tidbits thread got me thinking about this. What was the deal with Jim Neidhart coming in to WCW in 1993? It seemed out of nowhere. I'm pretty sure they put him on the cover of a magazine or poster book, so it seems like they were going to try to give him a push.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I remember him showing up one day out of nowhere. Didn't he do a run in on a heel for his debut in WCW? Or maybe he just won a squash match on WCW Saturday Night or something. I can't be sure. It seemed like they were going to push him as a solo face, but his run was pretty short for whatever reason.

[Timmy8271 0]

Questions about WCW 90

 

1. How long did Buddy Roberts last in wcw? I know he was at clash 12 but that's the only appearnce i remember him from. He was in the freebirds

 

2. How many Masters Blasters matches were there? They sucked badly.

 

3. What is up with Buddy Landell and Skid Row? During his match at clash 12, he had Skid row on his arm. Are they talking about the band?

 

4. How long were the nasty boys in wcw in 90? Must have been only a couple months.

 

5. What was up with that LPWA match at clash 12?

 

6. And finally, How many black scropion's were there? I know Al perez was the wrestling one at Clash 12. Was that Arn Anderson that appeared after the match?

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Re: The Nasty Boys

 

From TheHistoryofWCW.com

 

- The debut of The Nasty Boys in WCW was on September 5, 1990.

 

*** Clash of the Champions XII - Mountain Madness

09-05-90, The Civic Center, Asheville, North Carolina

Announcers: Jim Ross and Bob Caudle

 

4. The Nasty Boys (Jerry Sags & Brian Knobbs) defeated Jackie Fulton & Terry Taylor in 7:09 when Sags pinned Fulton after the flying elbowdrop following Knobbs reversing Fulton's bodypress attempt into a powerslam.

 

*** Chicago, Illinois

11-30-90, UIC Pavilion

 

6. Rick Steiner defeated Brian Knobbs in a steel cage match.

 

The last appearence of the two I have was November 30, 1990. For some reason Scott & Sags weren't involved.

 

They may have done a final blowoff on TV with Rick & Scott before Starrcade 90, which was setup on the November Clash when the Steiners attacked The Nastys during their bout with the fat Renegade Warriors.

 

The Nasty Boys absolutely did NOT work any WCW dates in 1991. Not against anyone. Scott & Rick were thrown into bouts with the Freebirds in December and into January of '91.

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Re: Black Scorpion

 

From TheHistoryofWCW.com and RSPW

 

Ole Anderson was under the mask in the original vignettes.

 

Al Perez was unmasked at the Clash, the man that came to the ring after was Dave "Angel of Death" Sheldon, Sting's old teammate in Powerteam USA.

 

Dave "Angel of Death" Sheldon worked under the mask in house shows in late September '90-early October '90 against Sting, never winning.

 

Sheldon was the Scorpion at the November Clash, with Ole continuing to do the voiceover work.

 

Flair was the Scorpion at Starrcade, when it was decided to abort the angle due to AoD being too vague a member of Sting's past, plus the angle was just getting utterly insulting.

 

No idea who the fake Scorpions around the UFO at Starrcade were. Probably enhancement talent. The idea here was to plant a hint of "FOUR" Scorpions to make "sense" of everything when Flair was unmasked. I suppose.

 

Black Scorpions:

 

Ole (vignettes)

Perez (unmasked at Clash)

Sheldon (house shows, second Clash)

Flair (Starrcade)

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Re: LPWA

 

WCW had a history of working with other organizations, especially to promote the idea of WCW being an equal to the then-World Wrestling Federation and being "the big-time wrestling promotion others come to".

 

They did this with Smokey Mountain Wrestling in 1993, with the return of the National Wrestling Alliance in 1992-93, with New Japan Wrestling at different times from 1991 to 2000.

 

The LPWA ladies didn't work any shows after this, so without having seen the bout in some time I'm guessing it didn't make the splash they were hoping for. Most likely the LPWA paid them quite a bit of money to promote their product on a big, free-TV show like the Clash. The idea, much like the LPWA, was doomed.

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Re: Buddy Landell

 

From RSPW Newsgroup

 

"Nature Boy" Buddy Landell's gimmick was that he was a joke. He couldn't beat "Nature Boy" Ric Flair when they faced off. He lost nearly all his televised bouts and other heels poked fun at him. He claimed he was friends with Skid Row, and had a fake "tattoo" on his arm for the Clash match to "prove" this, in an attempt to gain some "badass points" and further make him look silly to the babyface-loving fans. It was a stupid idea and was soon forgotten. UNTIL NOW~!

 

(Think Ernest Miller claiming James Brown was his good buddy.)

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Re: Buddy Roberts

 

From TheHistoryofWCW.com and wikipedia

 

That was his only appearence ever for World Championship Wrestling. He was basically needed as a "cornerman" for the Freebirds to counteract "Bullet" Bob Armstrong. He didn't work house shows/TV after and almost immediately retired.

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Re: The Master Blasters

 

From TheHistoryofWCW.com

 

Steel (Kevin Nash) & Iron (Al Green aka "The Dog" from 2000 WCW) debuted at Clash 12.

 

From Sept.-Oct. 1990, they were house shows regulars, defeating undercard tag teams. Nash, as Master Blaster Steel, won all his bouts against "Z-Man" Tom Zenk on the house show scene in singles matches when the team wasn't together. Green left WCW in October.

 

Al Green's "Iron" was replaced with Master Blaster Blade.

 

Blade & Iron beat the Southern Boys at Halloween Havoc 1990. I'm sure that was a lovely match that I don't own on my Turner version of the show. Even though there were about 30 tag matches on Clash 13, the new Master Blasters didn't compete.

 

The Blasters finished up 1990 by crushing lowly WCW undercard teams like Allen Iron Eagle and friends.

 

IMMEDIATELY in 1991, WCW wised up and began jobbing the Master Blasters on house shows to Rich & Morton and the Southern Boys. Blade lost to TV Champ Tom Zenk on TV.

 

THE FINAL APPEARENCE! Drumroll...

 

From a TV Taping in Atlanta, GA on February 17th

 

6. WCW U.S. Tag Team Champions Rick & Scott Steiner defeated Dan Spivey & The Master Blaster when Scott pinned Master Blaster.

 

That was Blade.

 

But Steel would comes back soon from the land of Oz!

[Bruce Blank 0]

they were in the WWF by 91 - one of them was even in the 91' Rumble (I forget which)

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

They made their debut on January 7th, 1991.

 

-TheHistoryofWWE.com

 

That's pretty amazing that Knobbs was in the final 3 of the Rumble, weeks after debuting and a month from working WCW.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Hogan gets heat for "killing Vader's powerbomb" at SuperBrawl but everyone forgets that Vader kicked out of the big Legdrop at 1.

[Timmy8271 0]

Thanks alot sledge.

 

IF i remember correctly, Al perez had two masks on. Right?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hogan gets heat for "killing Vader's powerbomb" at SuperBrawl but everyone forgets that Vader kicked out of the big Legdrop at 1.

The spot Hogan gets heat for took place the month before at the Clash. Hogan took Vader's powerbomb and popped right back up. The only problem was Hogan had agreed beforehand to sell the move and his popping up was unplanned, except by Hogan. Vader kicking out of the legdrop during the Superbrawl match was fine because it was agreed upon by all beforehand. Hogan popping right back up from the powerbomb was not. That is why Hogan got heat for it, and it was heat he deserved.

[GODSON 0]

I don't know about 7 million dollars.

 

I mean they were charging 30 at the time...so even if they did a million buyrates (which I doubt) and had some big sponsorships, you're looking at around 5.

The number of buys would have been at least 600,000. Even at $30 a pop, and I think it was nearer to $35, that's still $18m in PPV revenue, of which WCW would have received around $5-6m at least. Assuming 40,000 at the Georgia Dome, with an average ticket price of $40, that's $1.6m at the gate. Add in an average of $30 per head in merchandise, that's another $1.2m. Combine that all and you're looking at around $8m.

 

Regarding HH'98, the feed went out before the main event of Goldberg vs. DDP for the World Title. They aired the match in full the following night on Nitro

 

PPV's was already booked for the whole year by that point and the Georgia Dome was NOT one of the locations.

 

If Sting vs. Hogan only drew 600,000, I doubt Goldberg/Hogan on ppv would do that much better since Sting/Hogan had one of the best build up and anticipation in wrestling history.

 

I personally thought it was perfect timing. Goldberg in front of his hometown of 40,000 people and millions of people watching him on tv beating Hulk Hogan for the World title clean with one of the best atmospheres I ever seen in wrestling. Goldberg is still making money off that one match which shows you how big of an impact it was putting it on Nitro. I think the Goldberg/Hogan match was watch by 7 or 8 million people? I kinda think that if TNA gets a LIVE two hour special, they should put Samoa Joe title win on the special instead of ppv because I think it will have a bigger "Impact" in the long run.

 

I'm a bit surprise WCW did not do another Goldberg/Hogan match.

[BUTT 0]

They made their debut on January 7th, 1991.

 

-TheHistoryofWWE.com

 

That's pretty amazing that Knobbs was in the final 3 of the Rumble, weeks after debuting and a month from working WCW.

 

Actually, they made their debut on December 11, 1990. Their debut aired on December 29. So they were wrestling for WWF a couple of weeks after they left WCW.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Awesome, thanks!

[Guest Duke_The_Dog]

I don't know about 7 million dollars.

 

I mean they were charging 30 at the time...so even if they did a million buyrates (which I doubt) and had some big sponsorships, you're looking at around 5.

The number of buys would have been at least 600,000. Even at $30 a pop, and I think it was nearer to $35, that's still $18m in PPV revenue, of which WCW would have received around $5-6m at least. Assuming 40,000 at the Georgia Dome, with an average ticket price of $40, that's $1.6m at the gate. Add in an average of $30 per head in merchandise, that's another $1.2m. Combine that all and you're looking at around $8m.

 

Regarding HH'98, the feed went out before the main event of Goldberg vs. DDP for the World Title. They aired the match in full the following night on Nitro

 

PPV's was already booked for the whole year by that point and the Georgia Dome was NOT one of the locations.

 

If Sting vs. Hogan only drew 600,000, I doubt Goldberg/Hogan on ppv would do that much better since Sting/Hogan had one of the best build up and anticipation in wrestling history.

 

I personally thought it was perfect timing. Goldberg in front of his hometown of 40,000 people and millions of people watching him on tv beating Hulk Hogan for the World title clean with one of the best atmospheres I ever seen in wrestling. Goldberg is still making money off that one match which shows you how big of an impact it was putting it on Nitro. I think the Goldberg/Hogan match was watch by 7 or 8 million people? I kinda think that if TNA gets a LIVE two hour special, they should put Samoa Joe title win on the special instead of ppv because I think it will have a bigger "Impact" in the long run.

 

I'm a bit surprise WCW did not do another Goldberg/Hogan match.

 

Hogan only did that job after he saw the attendence. He wanted the Turner brass to think he drew the big house and figured by jobbing to Goldburg, he would have political clout later on when it was time to end the streak and he'd be the man who beat Goldburg (rumored to be at Starcade) Nash became booker late in the year and put himself over Goldburg, thus becoming perhaps the only man to out politic Hogan.

 

Hogan/Nash had legit heat stemming from early 1998....it reached a peak in August when Nash told Hogan he wanted him in a reduced role (IIRC) at Hogan's birthday party. Hogan said "That'll cost be money" Nash and Hogan had backstage allies and it was a mess until the "fingerpoke of doom" saw Nash lose to Hogan, Hogan got his belt, Nash got to remain Booker and all was harmonic until April 99 when Hogan left for knee surgery.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I kinda think that if TNA gets a LIVE two hour special, they should put Samoa Joe title win on the special instead of ppv because I think it will have a bigger "Impact" in the long run.

Or they could put on a PPV and make money from it instead.

[GODSON 0]

I kinda think that if TNA gets a LIVE two hour special, they should put Samoa Joe title win on the special instead of ppv because I think it will have a bigger "Impact" in the long run.

Or they could put on a PPV and make money from it instead.

 

You mean 40,000 buys will be HUGE?

 

No match in TNA can draw over 50,000, maybe 40 but not 50. TNA is in a unique position where putting their big matches on free tv(with good build up,not like Steiner vs. Christian that only had a one week notice) will help them build up their young stars better. I predict that in two months, BFG will do around 45,000 buys.

 

Really, Samoa Joe beating JJ in a clean,hard fought match in front of millions viewers LIVE on tv would have a bigger impact than putting it on ppv for cheap change. If the rumors is true about TNA getting a live two hour special on Monday in September when WWE Raw is on delay,WHY NOT? They can do the rematch at BFG and get the same amount buys.

[FroGG_NeaL 0]

"They can do the rematch at BFG and get the same amount buys."

 

No they can't.

 

People want to see Joe win the title a whole hell of a lot more then defending it for probably the first time. Everybody knows he's not gonna lose it that fast, so their mos def wouldn't be as much interest.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

I kinda think that if TNA gets a LIVE two hour special, they should put Samoa Joe title win on the special instead of ppv because I think it will have a bigger "Impact" in the long run.

Or they could put on a PPV and make money from it instead.

 

You mean 40,000 buys will be HUGE?

 

No match in TNA can draw over 50,000, maybe 40 but not 50. TNA is in a unique position where putting their big matches on free tv(with good build up,not like Steiner vs. Christian that only had a one week notice) will help them build up their young stars better. I predict that in two months, BFG will do around 45,000 buys.

 

Really, Samoa Joe beating JJ in a clean,hard fought match in front of millions viewers LIVE on tv would have a bigger impact than putting it on ppv for cheap change. If the rumors is true about TNA getting a live two hour special on Monday in September when WWE Raw is on delay,WHY NOT? They can do the rematch at BFG and get the same amount buys.

You mean 40,000 buys will be HUGE?

 

If it's Joe vs. Sting, which I believe it has to be because that match will mean a hell of a lot more than Joe vs. Jarrett, then I think, with the right build, it could do TNA's best buy-rate in a long time.

 

TNA is in a unique position where putting their big matches on free tv(with good build up,not like Steiner vs. Christian that only had a one week notice) will help them build up their young stars better.

 

In theory, putting big matches on TV to build stars is a good idea, but not at the expense of matches that need to be saved for PPV. Joe's big title win is one of those matches.

 

Really, Samoa Joe beating JJ in a clean,hard fought match in front of millions viewers LIVE on tv would have a bigger impact than putting it on ppv for cheap change.

 

Not anytime soon. Right now, TNA is getting a base viewership that doesn't move a whole lot. A big Joe match on TV right now won't mean a whole lot. Down the line it probably would, but not right now.

 

If the rumors is true about TNA getting a live two hour special on Monday in September when WWE Raw is on delay,WHY NOT? They can do the rematch at BFG and get the same amount buys.

 

Doing a big rematch so soon after the initial encounter would not get anywhere close to the buys the very first encounter got. The big buy rate off of a dream match comes from the first time it happens, not the second, because the first time it happens is when it means the most. The second time it happens doesn't mean quite as much as the first time because you've already seen the match in question. Hogan vs. Michaels got around 560,000 buys. If they had done a rematch the next month, guaranteed it wouldn't have got anywhere near that number of buys. Do that rematch now, long after the first match, and it would have a far better chance of getting a strong buy rate than if the rematch was held the next month.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Bischoff FUCKED up big time with Goldberg / Hogan. It was a huge match and yeah it felt really good to see Bill win the title in his hometown especially by beating Hogan clean, but it would have made more sense to save it for Bash at The Beach since a shitload of buyrates for Goldberg Vs. Hogan for the title > a win in the ratings for one week and Page / Malone Vs. Hogan / Rodman.

[USC Wuz Robbed! 0]

I'd actually have held off the Goldberg title win until Starrcade. Let him run with the US title a bit longer, then get the belt off him without giving him a loss, and build to the big World title showdown.

[cabbageboy 0]

I maintain there was a serious amount of money to be made from Goldberg chasing the belt after the Fingerpoke of Doom. I think the following idea would have drawn money:

 

--Goldberg is screwed out of the title and his streak vs. Nash via the Hall run in.

 

--They do the Fingerpoke angle. Yeah, it's still stupid but it gets the title back on Hogan which is what we need for this angle. They could just stick Flair or whoever in there for a 3 way, Hogan wins minus fingerpoke.

 

--They do most of the same booking that they DID do. Hogan can still feud with Flair for the time being, but Flair never actually wins the title and there's no goofy double turn. Goldberg meanwhile takes out Scott Hall in the same ladder match to complete step 1 of getting the belt back.

 

--Goldberg then takes out Nash in that rematch to prove that he is the better man without interference. They did this fine as well at Spring Stampede 99.

 

--From here on in actuality things got really odd. I personally maintain it was a combination of DDP getting the belt and nobody buying him as champ and the realization that GB wasn't getting the title back that really started WCW's plummet in 1999. Hogan losing the title to Flair and then getting hurt seriously screwed things up.

 

--What I'd have done is then build to something like Bash at the Beach. Have a tag match main event at one show with Goldberg and Hogan involved, then finally do the big blowoff at BATB 99. Goldberg wipes out Hogan and regains the title, and WCW would have ended up in much better shape.

 

As an aside what happened to Goldberg post Spring Stampede 99? It's like he vanished from WCW until Fall Brawl, and I am at a loss to recall why. Was he injured?