WWF/E Tidbits from the past

[Lil' Bitch 0]

it was Wrestlemania and IMO the World title match should ALWAYS go on last.

 

Take Wrestlemania 19 the following year for example, you had big matches like Hogan / McMahon and Austin / Rock, and Vince was awesome enough to let the WWE Championship match go on last.

 

If a really hyped match should go on last, any other PPV except the Rumble would be fine. I mean if that was the case, Goldberg / Lesnar would have been our WM XX main event.

[bob_barron 0]

it was Wrestlemania and IMO the World title match should ALWAYS go on last.

 

But obviously Wrestlemania X-8 disproves that.

 

Just because it's the World Title doesn't mean it has to be the very last match. Rock-Hogan was the match everyone came there to see, and I think had they held it last, Triple H-Jericho wouldn't have died live like it did.

 

People LEFT after Rock-Hogan, obviously showing that sometimes when you have dream matches like that, they shouldn't go on last.

[JimmyHendricks 0]

You're absolutely right that HHH/Jericho going on last was a bad idea. However, I admire that they thought enough of the title to do it. Plus, I think HHH wanted the show to end with him triumphantly standing in the ring with 2 World Titles.

 

However, the same thing happened the next year, as many, many upper deck seats were empty during Angle/Lesnar. But we can't talk about that because that would be just wrong.

[Jericholic82 0]

You're absolutely right that HHH/Jericho going on last was a bad idea. However, I admire that they thought enough of the title to do it. Plus, I think HHH wanted the show to end with him triumphantly standing in the ring with 2 World Titles.

 

However, the same thing happened the next year, as many, many upper deck seats were empty during Angle/Lesnar. But we can't talk about that because that would be just wrong.

Sad, since Angle/Lesnar was the match I was looking most forward to(and was happy to see it on last), and of course Michaels/Jericho

[The Tino Standard 0]

I just can't imagine leaving a WrestleMania early, no matter how high-up my seats are.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

But obviously Wrestlemania X-8 disproves that.

 

Just because it's the World Title doesn't mean it has to be the very last match. Rock-Hogan was the match everyone came there to see, and I think had they held it last, Triple H-Jericho wouldn't have died live like it did.

 

People LEFT after Rock-Hogan, obviously showing that sometimes when you have dream matches like that, they shouldn't go on last.

 

Strangely, somehow I could imagine Hogan pitching to Vince the idea of Rock / Hogan being for the Undisputed Championship.

[Guest Cannonball K]

oh course Trips forgot all about his philosiphy at BB '04 and Vengance this year

[hyperchord24 0]

Anyone know how the Rock got started adding the “la la la la la” part to his “if you smell-la la la la la what the Rock is cookin’?” I always thought he picked it up from Mick Foley when they had their feud and that was one of the things Mick did to make fun of him.

 

I thought it was odd, in kayfabe, that someone would add something to their catch phrase that one of their most fiercest rivals thought of to make fun of that person.

[Lt. Al Giardello 0]

I just can't imagine leaving a WrestleMania early, no matter how high-up my seats are.

 

I went to WMX8, and I never saw anyone leave after Rock/Hogan... The crowd was so burnt out from going nuts during Rock/Hogan.

[cabbageboy 0]

I can defend the world title not going on last if there is a match that is clearly more important. At Bad Blood 2004 the Benoit/Kane match was a ho hum defense, not really a main event type match since Kane was just getting a lame duck title match in between HHH's title shots. Thus the HIAC match probably should have gone on last, even though I personally think the Benoit/Kane match was better.

 

This year at Vengeance however? That was bullshit. Edge/RVD should have main evented that show instead of DX fucking around with a group of male cheerleaders.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

Funny that not only did Benoit/Kane not get the main event spot, but it was Shawn/HBK that actually set the match up when HBK interfered in the battle royal and threw HHH over.

[Jericholic82 0]

Anyone know how the Rock got started adding the “la la la la la” part to his “if you smell-la la la la la what the Rock is cookin’?” I always thought he picked it up from Mick Foley when they had their feud and that was one of the things Mick did to make fun of him.

 

I thought it was odd, in kayfabe, that someone would add something to their catch phrase that one of their most fiercest rivals thought of to make fun of that person.

thats actually pretty much true. so yea that is weird

[JimmyHendricks 0]

So what was going on with Vince talking to Hebner midmatch? Was he just giving the signal to go hom early?

 

 

Okay, myth on the finish nonsense. But yeah, I'd like to know why Vince actually gets out of the announce booth and talks to Earl and Shawn. Obviously in kayfabe they played it up like Vince was checking on them after the bump.

 

 

I was just watching this on the WWE Championship DVD today, and came back here to see if anyone answered. Not yet, at least.

 

Vince is obviously over there for a reason. If he was supposed to be "checking on them", he would have done his overdone concerned look. Instead, he very specifically says something to Hebner, and then Shawn gets up and shakes his head "No" at them. Then you see Foley very slightly do the same thing.

 

Sorry, this is driving me nuts, and neither Foley or Shawn talk about it in their book.

[Guest Fook]

He very well could have been checking to see if they were okay and have asked them if they needed/wanted to end the match early due to potential injury. They both say no, so the match continues until the scheduled finish.

 

Of course, this is all just complete speculation on my part. For all I know Vince could have been asking if any of them wanted to go over to his place after the show and play wiffleball.

[JimmyHendricks 0]

I'm thinking now that he was telling them to go to the finish. When they get back into the ring, you can clearly see the clock on the side of the arena, and it says it was 48 after the hour, which is an unusually long time for a PPV (don't they usually end around 40-45 after?). Shawn and Foley ended up going something like 26 minutes, and I think Vince was getting restless because they were so close to the top of the hour.

 

I don't think he was asking if they were OK, because both Shawn and Foley looked at him and shook their heads "No". I bet he said to go to the finish and both of them protested. The finish itself was quite jumbled, with Vader basically doing a "Papa Shango at WM 8" run in. I can see where Scott Keith came up with the idea that Vince was changing the finish, but that wasn't the case. If so, how could UT end up in the casket?

 

Anyhoo, I'm done.

[Jericholic82 0]

yea and they got up pretty quickly after vince talks to them and basically run to the finish

[Epic Reine 0]

What was up with DDP and Kanyon's entrance at Summerslam 2001?

 

Kanyon comes out to his music and he looks pissed off. He keeps looking back as he walks to the ring and then his music stops halfway then DDP's music hits and he comes to the ring and Kanyon says something to him and they walk to the ring together. Did they fuck up?

[JST 0]

That's the cage match VS Kane & Taker, right?

 

Maybe they had just been informed of their booking?

[Hasbeen1 0]

10 Things I miss:

1-Kirk Angel

2-Tag Division

3-Feuds that don't just start and end without rhyme or reason

4-A list of contenders that makes sense

5-Top level wrestling other than Friday that kids can watch

6-Crowds popping for things besides the top stars, or divas

7-Saturday Night's Main Event, when it took the place of Saturday night live

8-Male managers

9-TBS wrestling at 6:05 on Saturdays

10-The days when a wrestler passing away was a surprise or shock

[daileyxplanet 0]

I just noticed while watching Rey Mysterio 619, the Big Show was in great shape in 2002.

[Epic Reine 0]

It may have already been posted in this thread but does anyone know where I can find an article detailing the steroid trial? including what wrestlers testified and what they said etc.?

[pochorenella 0]

It may have already been posted in this thread but does anyone know where I can find an article detailing the steroid trial? including what wrestlers testified and what they said etc.?

Head over to 411mania.com and look for "The Piledriver Report" articles. The guy who wrote them had a pretty nice summary of the steroid trial, including people who testified. It's in several parts so you might have to do a little searching but it's all there.

[EdwardKnoxII 0]

I just noticed while watching Rey Mysterio 619, the Big Show was in great shape in 2002.

 

Speaking of Big Show I wonder if he lost some weight like say at least 50 or so pounds would it help with all the back, knee, etc problems he's having. Lord knows it couldn't hurt.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

I just noticed while watching Rey Mysterio 619, the Big Show was in great shape in 2002.

 

Speaking of Big Show I wonder if he lost some weight like say at least 50 or so pounds would it help with all the back, knee, etc problems he's having. Lord knows it couldn't hurt.

 

I think people have always ridden Big Show a little hard about the weight thing. I mean, he's seven foot tall and his last name isn't "Bol". He's going to carry some girth. Yeah, he's gotten chunky at certain points in his career, but overall I think he's stayed in pretty good shape.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

He's in terrible shape. If he was in pretty good shape he wouldn't be openly talking about leaving when his contract expires and turning down a five-year contract extension worth $1m per year. His health is the main reason he's walking away from that money.

[Dobbs 3K 0]

He's in terrible shape. If he was in pretty good shape he wouldn't be openly talking about leaving when his contract expires and turning down a five-year contract extension worth $1m per year. His health is the main reason he's walking away from that money.

 

Good for him. His height is inevitably going to lead to health problems of some type or another. He may as well get out while he can, and enjoy his retirement. I mean, is there really much else they can do with Big Show in this era, anyway?

 

Besides, even if he does "retire", he can always come back for special matches down the line and probably make a ton of money for each one.

[Si82 0]

I just noticed while watching Rey Mysterio 619, the Big Show was in great shape in 2002.

 

Speaking of Big Show I wonder if he lost some weight like say at least 50 or so pounds would it help with all the back, knee, etc problems he's having. Lord knows it couldn't hurt.

 

I think people have always ridden Big Show a little hard about the weight thing. I mean, he's seven foot tall and his last name isn't "Bol". He's going to carry some girth. Yeah, he's gotten chunky at certain points in his career, but overall I think he's stayed in pretty good shape.

Are you nuts?

 

When he first appeared in WCW the guy was in good shape. Now he looks like what he is, a fat mess. Which is his own fault really. I mean, this is a guy who has admitted that he doesn't work out and lives on junk food. It really is no wonder the guy is in the shitty shape he is.

[DrVenkman PhD 0]

I watched a seriously messed up house show from January 91 (MSG) on 24/7. It has the possibly once in a lifetime announce team of Sean Mooney and Bobby Heenan (I thought I was going to be doing this broadcast by myself *looks at Mooney* I guess I am). The opening match is Shane Douglas vs Paul Roma, which Roma wins twice. The ref counted three on something he probably shouldn't have, and Douglas ends up looking like a poor sport face because he continues wrestling while the bell rings multiple times. Roma looks all pissed, yells at the ref, then they do a sequence that I guess was originally going to end the match, all while Heenan and Mooney have no idea what the hell is going on. The ref does a quick 3 count and Roma just keeps yelling - it's really hard to tell if he's pissed off or in character as a heel (it seems to be the former). The ref is also some old, short, bald man. The next match is arm wrestling between Bulldog and Warlord which was really a very long stall by Warlord. There was also a face vs face match between Tito and Koko - Tito won and Koko did not shake hands. That went nowhere. The main event, a steel cage match between Warrior and Savage, had SAVAGE winning. I didn't think heels won house show main events if no belt was on the line, especially if it's someone like Warrior wrestling. I think he lost because Sherri came into the cage and had her clothes ripped off by Warrior while Savage escaped.

 

It just seemed very oddly booked. Oh, Heenan also left the announce table when Bossman came out, causing it to become Mooney and Brother Love. Yeah.

 

Edit: As I wrote this, this seemed more like a "What are you watching now" instead of a "Notes from the past" deal - just another reason why I think we need some sort of merged CTDWAT thread here, but I digress.

[MillenniumMan831 0]

Yeah, that 1/91 show was definitely messed up. I did love how Heenan got his "And I'm your host Bobby the Brain Heenan" line in at the beginning of the show. Fuck, Mooney was so awful.

 

Though, I did dig the Santana/Koko match. Also on CV's Supertape IV (or maybe III, I can't remember).

[Guest Bigelow34]

From that House Show, it was pretty cool when Herc & Jerk tied Boss Man up with the chain and Heenan slapped him around. Pretty cool visual there.