NFL Week 13

[CanadianChris 0]

Here's why Belichick would never allow Peyton Manning's pursuit of Marino's record to dominate his team: Every time Manning goes back to pass, that's another play for someone to study on film, which Belichick strives to avoid. In fact, some believe that he plays possum from time to time, like during the Arizona-Buffalo-Miami stretch earlier in the season -- when the team did juuuuuuuuuuust enough to win in all three games, saving itself (and any trick plays, blitz packages and the like) for the Seahawks and Jets in Weeks 6 and 7. Or like the stretch they're entering now -- at Cleveland, home for Cincy, at Miami -- before the big Jets game in Week 16.

[LaParkaMarka 0]

The Bills will probably end up 9-7, which may not be good enough for the playoffs.

 

Jacksonville though, all of their games are winnable. The Bears suck, who knows which Packer team will show up, the Texans are decent but have some weaknesses, and the Raiders suck. Their defense is solid, and their offense is solid. If they had a kicker that could kick straight, they would have beaten the Steelers. Why not them?

[Guest pinnacleofallthingsmanly]

It would be funny to see the Jets collapse, I can see them losing three of the last four games they have, squeaking into the playoffs to get smacked by a team that deserves to be there.

They don't deserve to be there? How so? Because they've won all the games they were suppose to win? With the defense they have, and the type of offense they run, I doubt they'll get smacked.

Are they on the same level as the Pats, Colts or Steelers?

 

No.

 

The Chargers you could make an argument for, but they are hot lately and the Jets are not. They haven't looked impressive in their wins, and they've looked bad in losses, so I figure they'll be out of the playoffs in the first round, most likely in a blowout of some kind if they happen to draw the Colts, but a close affair if they get the Chargers. Either way, done in the first round.

Well, considering they've won 3 out of 4, I wouldn't say they are cold either. It's really funny that you mention that they've looked bad in loses, when all 3 of their loses have come at a touchdown or less. Pretty bad, eh? Plus, Pennington hadn't played for 3 games. He comes back, and they win by 22.

 

Also, the Patriots are probably the worst best looking team in the NFL when it comes to blowing out teams left and right (recently they have been doing that, but for the most part of their streak, they've won close games). So I don't get this logic that you seem to have with the Jets winning games ugly. A win is a win. You are bound to have those types of wins when you run the ball like hell, and run the west coast offense.

 

I don't think they'll be out in the first round. Maybe against the Colts, but I feel we can score on them pretty easily. After all they might as well have cardboard cutouts out there. Our defense is getting better each and every game. 6 shutouts in the 2nd half is pretty good if you ask me. Against the Chargers I like our chances. We beat them earlier this year, I don't see why not now. Their win streak is going to end sometime; who knows if they start to look bad against the Jets.

 

Anyway, what team do you root for? Is it the Bills or something?

A bad loss is when you have the game won and the other team comes back and whoops the shit out of you. Kind of like the Ravens did to the Jets or like the Bengals did to the Ravens.

[strummer 0]

This Monday Night game is insane, 43-39 Dallas with 30 seconds to go. Dallas was down 10 points with under 2 minutes to go and are going to win

[strummer 0]

Oh God, I get this feeling Dallas is going to make the Playoffs in the NFC. That was a TERRIBLE loss for Seattle

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

I'm glad that Seattle pretty much ended the Holmgren era tonight. He'll finish the season obviously but he's done now.

[Vern Gagne 0]

I'm very serious when I write. Mike Holmgren should be fired right know. Who cares if he's tied for 1st place. It's a horrible league, and Seattle is outcoached every week.

[cabbageboy 0]

Seattle has to be the biggest choke artist team in football...take a look at this one tonight and the Rams game from earlier. Both of them HOME losses. Just wondering but why exactly was Seattle this buzzworthy team before the season? Matt Hasselbeck hasn't ever been that great, defense is just sorta average, and their receivers are pathetic. When an ancient Jerry Rice is your best receiver, you're not that good.

[strummer 0]

and the 49ers are really the ONLY team in the NFC who has no shot of making the playoffs

[Guest Ronixis]

You know the sad thing is. Madden was right on the money. 30 Pass Attempts for Julius Jones and on the 30th he gets the game winning touchdown.

 

Does anybody have some good anacid medication? Because the NFC is giving me spastic colon outside of the Eagles. DO NOT TELL ME that it will be possible that a 7-9 team will make the playoffs. PLEASE Let it not be so. At least with the AFC, The Jags are the ONLY major Cindrella Team, (we all knew in the back in our minds that San Diego was going to improve someday, but not in the manner we see now.) and everybody else knows that 10-6 will not get you in. You got the main three powerhouses (Pitt, Indy, NE) those that are holding on to some hope for a Divisional Playoff at home (NY Jets, SD, Denver) and one Cinderella (Jags). The Ravens have NO SHOT and so does the Bengals.

But NFC? Almost every body is in but the 49ers. Shoddy.

 

Homegreen needs to go. That was haphazard playcalling ALL GAME. But Jerry Rice still has the spark. But it is sad that hes the only good player they have.

[Prime Time Andrew Doyle 0]

Does anyone here think that Julius Jones will be a Pro Bowler within a year or two? 95 carries the past 3 weeks, getting over 150 twice, and getting Game MVP the past two games. The teams they played were also had good defenses. The first was against the Ravens defesne which is outstanding, and the next two were against Bears & Seahawks Defenses which are pretty good. If Dallas have hime for a full season next year, he will be able to give Parcells the time consuming running game he craves, and allow the defense some rest. He has also shown that he has some stamina tonight. He ran for about 40 yards combined on both his 29th & 30th runs, including a 17 yarder, breaking a tackle to score the winning touchdown.

[NoCalMike 0]

I can't believe the booth didn't review MeShawn's (not)TD catch. The Booth normally ALWAYS will review close calls like that under 2 minutes since the coaches by rule, are not allowed to. Just letting something that close go uncontested was horseshit.

 

And as far as Julius Jones goes. He looks good so far, but it is too early to tell. It could be a case of a bad team catching people off guard, as I don't think anyone predicted Dallas to be able to score 42 points. Who knows, the kid looks like a diamond in the rough right now though.

[Slayer 0]

Just wondering but why exactly was Seattle this buzzworthy team before the season?

I asked the same question three weeks ago, I believe

 

Holmgren has this hard-on for Hasselback that I'll never understand. When they got Trent Dilfer fresh off the Super Bowl Champion Ravens (who ditched him for Elvis Grbac in their own bonehead move, but that's another discussion), what did they do? Stick him behind unproven Hasselback.

 

All you have to do is look at the GB playoff game last year to see what's going on in Hasselback's head.

[C Dubya 04 0]

So, week 13 just ended and the Eagles clinched a bye in the first round. I don't think that I ever remember a team clinching a bye with 4 weeks to go.

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Seattle has to be the biggest choke artist team in football...take a look at this one tonight and the Rams game from earlier. Both of them HOME losses. Just wondering but why exactly was Seattle this buzzworthy team before the season? Matt Hasselbeck hasn't ever been that great, defense is just sorta average, and their receivers are pathetic. When an ancient Jerry Rice is your best receiver, you're not that good.

Not to mention that they almost (and probably should have) lost to Miami.

[cabbageboy 0]

It's funny but during the game last night I took a look at the Seahawks over the past 10 years. I think they are about 77-83 over that time, which is about as mediocre as you can get. All the years ranged from 6-10 to 10-6. They are never much more than a mediocre team. I've never seen a team so consistently mediocre: Not good enough to win anything big, but not bad enough to laugh at. Hell the Saints have been mediocre as well but at least they will toss in a 3-13 year that is entertaining in its awfulness.

 

Just took a look at Seattle's remaining schedule. They have the Vikings and Jets on the road (likely two more losses), then the Cardinals at home. So basically they'll be about 7-8 when Vick and Co. come to town for the finale.

 

The only thing I used to like about the Seahawks was those awesome teal/blue/green jerseys...and they changed those.

[Bored 0]

I haven't seen it mentioned in the thread but Jerry Rice passed Brian Mitchell last night to become the all-time net yardage leader at 23,351 yards. Net yardage includes receiving, rushing, and kick/punt returns. That is just insane for a player who's never been a kick returner (he had one return his rookie year) to be the all-time leader let alone a wide receiver who isn't going to get too many rushing attempts. It's now Rice's 35th NFL record.

[Guest Agent of Oblivion]

That's over thirteen miles. Incredible.

[The Czech Republic 0]

All you have to do is look at the GB playoff game last year to see what's going on in Hasselbeck's head.

[smh810 0]

Awesome Czech... damn I'm quickly becoming your laugh track... oh by the way Seattle sucks.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

It would be funny to see the Jets collapse, I can see them losing three of the last four games they have, squeaking into the playoffs to get smacked by a team that deserves to be there.

They don't deserve to be there? How so? Because they've won all the games they were suppose to win? With the defense they have, and the type of offense they run, I doubt they'll get smacked.

Are they on the same level as the Pats, Colts or Steelers?

 

No.

 

The Chargers you could make an argument for, but they are hot lately and the Jets are not. They haven't looked impressive in their wins, and they've looked bad in losses, so I figure they'll be out of the playoffs in the first round, most likely in a blowout of some kind if they happen to draw the Colts, but a close affair if they get the Chargers. Either way, done in the first round.

Well, considering they've won 3 out of 4, I wouldn't say they are cold either. It's really funny that you mention that they've looked bad in loses, when all 3 of their loses have come at a touchdown or less. Pretty bad, eh? Plus, Pennington hadn't played for 3 games. He comes back, and they win by 22.

 

Also, the Patriots are probably the worst best looking team in the NFL when it comes to blowing out teams left and right (recently they have been doing that, but for the most part of their streak, they've won close games). So I don't get this logic that you seem to have with the Jets winning games ugly. A win is a win. You are bound to have those types of wins when you run the ball like hell, and run the west coast offense.

 

I don't think they'll be out in the first round. Maybe against the Colts, but I feel we can score on them pretty easily. After all they might as well have cardboard cutouts out there. Our defense is getting better each and every game. 6 shutouts in the 2nd half is pretty good if you ask me. Against the Chargers I like our chances. We beat them earlier this year, I don't see why not now. Their win streak is going to end sometime; who knows if they start to look bad against the Jets.

 

Anyway, what team do you root for? Is it the Bills or something?

A bad loss is when you have the game won and the other team comes back and whoops the shit out of you. Kind of like the Ravens did to the Jets or like the Bengals did to the Ravens.

Thank you.

 

I forgot how impressive it was to beat the Texans by 22 points.

 

When the Bills were starting Travis Henry and just fucking up in general during their 0-4 start the Jets took it till the last play of the game to win by two. I actually like Chad Pennington, My Favourite Martin and I'm probably one of the few on the board that likes Herm(Why all the hate? Good coach). But they're clearly a second tier team in the AFC, with the Steelers, Colts and Pats at the top. I would place them below San Diego, even though they beat them at the beginning of the season, but SD is clearly a different team, and one of the hottest in the NFL.

 

The Jets simply haven't beaten anyone impressive all year, save for Week Two. Don't worry, they'll have their chance against Pittsburgh and NE again, but they'll lose them both, probably drop one to either St. Louis or Seattle (both of whom are playing horrible, but still better then most of the weaker teams the Jets have beaten). Hence my reasoning as to why they will probably go 10-6, which isn't exactly far fetched and I don't know why you had such issue with what I said. Unless you honestly believe they will beat either Pittsburgh or New England, which is what I guess you disagree with. I'll tell you this much, they win EITHER of those games, I will take back EVERYTHING I said about them being a lower tier team and out of the first round in the playoffs.

 

Yes I am a Bills fan, but I still believe that the Jets are better of course, I'm not delusional, but they're not much better, and were they both to make it to the playoffs, the Bills would probably be the hotter team.

[Brett Favre 0]

The Jets are better than both the Rams and the Seahawks. Even if they do get swept by Pitt and New England, I still believe they can beat both of the teams mentioned above to go 11-5.

 

I never said the Jets were elite, but I do believe they are better than San Diego. And if you call coming back against Quincy Carter and the most conservative offense in the history of the world (that's what happens when Chad gets injured) a big thing, then there is something wrong with you.

 

If the Jets happen to play the Bills, it would be in NY. I HATE playing in Buffalo. They are a good team there. But in NY it's a different story. I wouldn't put my money against the Jets in a Buffalo/NY in NY, even though the Jets did win by like one play. If you remember correctly, Buffalo won with a pass to the outside in Buffalo against the Jets that barely won their game, after Pennington got knocked out.

 

I didn't get worked up over you saying the Jets weren't "elite" (doesn't really matter, recently superbowl champs sans-patriots haven't necessarily been the ultra "elite" teams). I got worked up with you saying that they don't belong there. The record, no matter who they face, and how they win says otherwise.

[Your Paragon of Virtue 0]

The Jets are better than both the Rams and the Seahawks. Even if they do get swept by Pitt and New England, I still believe they can beat both of the teams mentioned above to go 11-5.

 

I never said the Jets were elite, but I do believe they are better than San Diego. And if you call coming back against Quincy Carter and the most conservative offense in the history of the world (that's what happens when Chad gets injured) a big thing, then there is something wrong with you.

 

If the Jets happen to play the Bills, it would be in NY. I HATE playing in Buffalo. They are a good team there. But in NY it's a different story. I wouldn't put my money against the Jets in a Buffalo/NY in NY, even though the Jets did win by like one play. If you remember correctly, Buffalo won with a pass to the outside in Buffalo against the Jets that barely won their game, after Pennington got knocked out.

 

I didn't get worked up over you saying the Jets weren't "elite" (doesn't really matter, recently superbowl champs sans-patriots haven't necessarily been the ultra "elite" teams). I got worked up with you saying that they don't belong there. The record, no matter who they face, and how they win says otherwise.

Fair enough, but I didn't mention who would win if they played each other because they wouldn't, unless they both managed to get rid of the Colts, Steelers, AND the Patriots, which I doubt.

 

I never saw the big deal about Homefield advantage, in any sport, but even in football. The only two things I see changing are: 1) Fans disrupting opposing teams playcalling with noise, and that's a minimal factor at best. 2) Weather, but in NY it would be just as cold as Buffalo.

 

There's not much else to add at this point, I'm just going to ask who do you guys think will take the Super Bowl? I say New England again, beating Philadelphia. I don't see BenRo going that far. Ditto for Peyton and the worst defense in the world. Sadly, people will still bring up how they think Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the league. That defense is pretty special too y'know. Quarterbacks I think that are better then Tom:

 

Peyton

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Donovan

Hmm, that's about it, I'd like to say Favre but I don't think many here would agree with that one, so I will leave it at two. Great quarterback, but not the best.

[Brett Favre 0]

There's not much else to add at this point, I'm just going to ask who do you guys think will take the Super Bowl? I say New England again, beating Philadelphia. I don't see BenRo going that far. Ditto for Peyton and the worst defense in the world. Sadly, people will still bring up how they think Tom Brady is the best quarterback in the league. That defense is pretty special too y'know. Quarterbacks I think that are better then Tom:

 

Peyton

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Donovan

Hmm, that's about it, I'd like to say Favre but I don't think many here would agree with that one, so I will leave it at two. Great quarterback, but not the best.

I'm going to go with a Colts/Eagles Super Bowl, just to be somewhat different. The pick would really have to be New England/Philly, but I have a feeling that Peyton will finally get that win against New England, in New England itself. With the new rule (the 5 yard contact rule) being called on the corners more often, and the way the Pats play, the Colts will get some calls the 2nd time around, if they were to play each other. The achillies heel is obviously the defense, and that's what will probably keep them from advancing.

 

I'll just go with Colts/Eagles with the Colts winning.

[LatinAssasin 0]

Keyshawn's catch was good. His feet were inbounds and he got forced out.

 

Al Michaels just doesn't like the Cowboys.

[KingPK 0]

Here's when you know the media has nothing else to complain about: On the radio today in Boston (and for the past few days), the main topic is Corey Dillon going back in to the game with 98 yards so that he could get 100. People are blaming Dillon for being selfish and caring only about stats, even though he has no incentive in his contract for x number of 100 yard games in a season.

 

The callers are repeatedly saying "WE DON'T CARE!!", but they still harp on it.

[Guest The Shadow Behind You]

Ending the curse has made Boston boring.

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Seattle has to be the biggest choke artist team in football...take a look at this one tonight and the Rams game from earlier. Both of them HOME losses. Just wondering but why exactly was Seattle this buzzworthy team before the season? Matt Hasselbeck hasn't ever been that great, defense is just sorta average, and their receivers are pathetic. When an ancient Jerry Rice is your best receiver, you're not that good.

Minnesota has invented the art of choking. Seattle can't even compete with the choke jobs the Vikings have pulled off over the last decade.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Seattle has to be the biggest choke artist team in football...take a look at this one tonight and the Rams game from earlier.  Both of them HOME losses.  Just wondering but why exactly was Seattle this buzzworthy team before the season?  Matt Hasselbeck hasn't ever been that great, defense is just sorta average, and their receivers are pathetic.  When an ancient Jerry Rice is your best receiver, you're not that good.

Minnesota has invented the art of choking. Seattle can't even compete with the choke jobs the Vikings have pulled off over the last decade.

Last decade? How about the last 35 years?

[NoCalMike 0]

Keyshawn's catch was good. His feet were inbounds and he got forced out.

 

Al Michaels just doesn't like the Cowboys.

He didn't get "forced out" Both players went for the ball and the height of the throw caused Keyshawn to extend his body and the momentum took him out of bounds.