Guest Real F'n Show Report post Posted December 5, 2004 What was botched in the match? Sorry I'm on tape delay and won't see it until tomorrow. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Mr. Wrestling Report post Posted December 5, 2004 I just have to wonder how the current AWA feels about WWE using their old footage. And yes, the AWA IS still around. Vince owns the footage so he can do whatever he wants with it. Dale Gagner's AWA has NOTHING to do with Gagne's AWA. Even though Gagner likes to blow smoke out of his ass to say that it does. The AWA's last match as the Turkey on a Pole match where Colonel DeBeers lost. Vince McMahon owns the true AWA and Dale Gagner can take his fake AWA and shove it up his ass. Actually the AWA was still putting on shows AFTER the Turkey Match...they just were held in front of like 5 people. Plus titlehistory pages (www.solie.org/titlehistories/index.html) say that AWA's title history is the same through the two versions. You should contact Mr. Vince McMahon then. Mr. McMahon owns the tape library and logos of the American Wrestling Association and therefore may use them as he pleases. Verne Gagne's AWA officially closed down in 1991 (or 1992) and Dale Gagner's AWA is about as legitimate as 3 legged donkey. The AWA name has existed for several years even prior to Gagne bringing it to Minnesota. The AWA name was also used for a Boston based company where Gorgeous George was champion. That championship was later merged with Lou Thesz's NWA World Heavyweight Championship. The Boston AWA has no connection to Gagne's AWA only in name. Don't be so naive as to believe that Gagne and Gagner's AWAs are even connected. That's like saying that Triple H is the current WCW World Heavyweight Champion. It's a naive point of view. Mr. McMahon owns Gagne's AWA and Gagner is only blowing smoke out of his ass. On Topic- Akio and London was a great match. Josh Matthews looked really into it. I only wish that they could had gotten some time. Paul London continues to show flashes of brilliance and if he sticks in there, he will get his push one day. Mr. London is one of the great young talents only available in the WWE. I see flashes of Shawn Michaels in Paul London actually. Mostly due to the fact that Shawn trained Paul. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 And I still say Paul London looks like a young Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. Am I the only one in that boat? Did a young Steamboat have that hair? Not AS long, but he did, I believe. ...he also had a beard though. I know this from the Ultimate Ric Flair collection. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 The "botch" was London doing his "kick blocked and flip over spot", except he landed on the top rope and fell on his head. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 "This isn't a match! This is a MASSACRE!" Ahhh, Michael Cole. You never fail to be a douchebag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 THE END IS NEEEEEAR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 I think it's safe to say right now Velocity is probably the best show for WWE now. You get some good stuff occasionally, and minimal crap from SD in recap form. Sunday Night Heat has a good match once a year, and has TODD GRISHAM as a color commentator...thats like torturing yourself. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 And I still say Paul London looks like a young Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat. Am I the only one in that boat? Did a young Steamboat have that hair? Not AS long, but he did, I believe. ...he also had a beard though. I know this from the Ultimate Ric Flair collection. Steamboat with a beard?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RavishingRickRudo 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 I am watching Berrera / Morales right now, final round, and these guys are going all out. Is there a lot of form? No. Is it a technical display? No. Is it "smart" boxing? No. But jesus christ it's awesome. I want balls out wrestling sometimes, and I *never* get it in the WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 For some reason I laughed at the end of that Dawn vs. Jackie graphic when Charlie Haas suddenly appears out of nowhere. Why is a guy who "just got his wrestling license" getting a US title shot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Chavo vs. Kidman possibly will get 15:00 on Velocity?! (smacks self) No way it can happen...maybe 12 minutes, which is still awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Now, yet another look at Blade 3 with the real star, Triple H. Trips is a synthetic vampire, like in Hellsing? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 I think I'm going to watch Akio/London again after I tape this next match... I wasn't too into it after going "Oh fuck..." when London almost pulled a Sabu (and was into the DDT finish). Looked like a stiff match overall though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 That was a fun match. But please, let's avoid the Sabu-ish head bumps. Especially with someone as talented as London. And I did love that finish. Didn't Paul London have "Please Don't Die" chants when he was working the indys? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Real F'n Show Report post Posted December 5, 2004 That was a fun match. But please, let's avoid the Sabu-ish head bumps. Especially with someone as talented as London. And I did love that finish. Didn't Paul London have "Please Don't Die" chants when he was working the indys? Yes, but those weren't botches, those were crazy SSP's off ladders 'n shit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Triple H in a commercial during Velocity?! GRRRR!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted December 5, 2004 I really hate overly critiquing anything different than vanilla WWE style, but if they somehow reshow that match, or you've got it taped, rewatch it. The ddt spot, Akio didn't even land on his head, it was some sort of strange twisting neckwrench. I can only presume that London was either out of it, or forgot to use right(?) arm for the ddt. Interesting move if it was planned that way though. New invention? The kicking spot after that chin spike, since it looks like he bent his head back landing on his shoulder and chin, doesn't make a lot of since. If they're booking London to be some unstoppable cruiser, then it fits. If not, it just didn't click. Not to pimp DVDR but I would take the 9/13-9/19 Akio v. Paul London Velocity 9/14 (Aired 9/18) match over this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 That Akio/London match was pretty good... thankfully I taped it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Canned heat for Chavo? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Well, we go from Paul "The Dragon" London to "Ravishing" Billy Kidman. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndrewTS 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Well, we go from Paul "The Dragon" London to "Ravishing" Billy Kidman. Rude was more consistent in the ring and could actually cut promos. Kidman almost falls on his face! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Slickster 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Bill Demott just did an excellent job putting over Chavo's motivation to win here. Fantastic stuff from the best commentary team in WWE. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Josh and Demott almost gave WWE a bad idea...Stuttering Chavo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phoenix Fury Legdrop 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 On Topic- Akio and London was a great match. Josh Matthews looked really into it. I only wish that they could had gotten some time. Paul London continues to show flashes of brilliance and if he sticks in there, he will get his push one day. Mr. London is one of the great young talents only available in the WWE. I see flashes of Shawn Michaels in Paul London actually. Mostly due to the fact that Shawn trained Paul. No, he wasn't. He was trained by Rudy Boy Gonzalez at the Texas Wrestling Academy after Shawn left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HollywoodSpikeJenkins 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 The ddt spot, Akio didn't even land on his head, it was some sort of strange twisting neckwrench. I can only presume that London was either out of it, or forgot to use right(?) arm for the ddt. You're suppose to do a DDT with your left arm. Not the right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Bill Demott just did an excellent job putting over Chavo's motivation to win here. Fantastic stuff from the best commentary team in WWE. Yeah, I have to agree with you. Josh, Demott, and Tazz are the only announcers I like in the WWE, though JR still has his "on" moments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Maybe Paul London and RVD should be Smackdown tag team champions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Real F'n Show Report post Posted December 5, 2004 The ddt spot, Akio didn't even land on his head, it was some sort of strange twisting neckwrench. I can only presume that London was either out of it, or forgot to use right(?) arm for the ddt. You're suppose to do a DDT with your left arm. Not the right. It matters? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 5, 2004 The ddt spot, Akio didn't even land on his head, it was some sort of strange twisting neckwrench. I can only presume that London was either out of it, or forgot to use right(?) arm for the ddt. You're suppose to do a DDT with your left arm. Not the right. It matters? Usually everything is done with the left part of your body in my observations. Work the left, use the left for moves. Basically everything but punches and kicks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted December 5, 2004 Let us stretch it and say it does matter. Akio didn't land on his head/face, and he didn't fall to the left of London's body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
