Guest ManKinnd Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Hey all, haven't posted in a long while. Anyway, I just wanted to say that they did a very good job overall with Trish vs. Lita tonight. They hyped it throughout the show, and the hype was real. This match had actual build for a long time, not some they threw together to try to make us care (Granted, I still didn't at this point). But then they made it the main event, and the crowd was wild for Lita. Now they didn't treat it like a normal womens match. There were high spots (for womens' matches anyway) and plenty of near falls. It made both the girls look like stars, and even though the match was sloppy and short, it felt important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I thought they made it very predicatble that Lita would win when it was made the main event (much like when Rey/Hardy was named a ME of smackdown when Hardy was champ and it was in San Deigo. It was very obvious Rey was winning) It was booked VERY well, but Lita really made it avergae due to blowing at wrestling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 7, 2004 It was probably the best Womens Match WWE has had in months. If we're going by good Lita matches, it's been years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 It was almost an exact carbon copy of the Stephanie angle in 2000 (which also main evented Raw), but it was an effective, simple story; babyface overcoming the odds, and it works almost every time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisMWaters 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 It was almost an exact carbon copy of the Stephanie angle in 2000 (which also main evented Raw), but it was an effective, simple story; babyface overcoming the odds, and it works almost every time. Except this time, The Rock wasn't the referee for the match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 7, 2004 And the match had a clean finish. Didn't Rocky give Stephanie the Rock Bottom at the end? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Lita has been lucky to be programmed with 2 very good heels, Trish and Stephanie, in her 2 big feuds. Lita doesn't have the charisma to carry a program on her own. Trish and Stephanie carried their programs with her (Trish in the ring and on the mic, and Stephanie on the mic) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I thought it was done very well; Lita's dive was sick as well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 wow, didn't realize Trish had the title for 6 months. She almost never defended it, mostly due to injury Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted December 7, 2004 This was not hyped well, however, taking the botched spot out of the match it was still quite a solid match. The botched spot helped Lita sell/me believe her neck was cracked in half. I'm not one of the many completely apathetic people towards Lita's wrestling though, so I have a feeling this will be shit upon quickly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Exslade ZX 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 This was not hyped well, however, taking the botched spot out of the match it was still quite a solid match. The botched spot helped Lita sell/me believe her neck was cracked in half. I'm not one of the many completely apathetic people towards Lita's wrestling though, so I have a feeling this will be shit upon quickly. how was this not hyped well? In a way I can see what you're saying...as technically..the match was announced just last week, but it's been building for months as shown by all the video segments for the match earlier. And this made it seemingly more important then say...if it were the opener at NYR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 7, 2004 not Hyped well? It was annnounced last week and promoted all night and actually had a build leading up to. If anything it's one of the *better* built matches in a while. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
strummer 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 it will be interesting to see the Quarter Hour rating for the match, will 2 women draw good ratings in the main event? Better than the men? I remember the Steph/Lita match doing pretty well Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vyce 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 It was a good match, but sadly, Lita literally only has two competitors for the title outside of Trish. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Fook_Theta Report post Posted December 7, 2004 It was hyped just like the previous couple of months of two on two tags, triple threats, Kane-Lita baby, aftermath, yadda yadda. Same kind of boring-to-mildly entertaining hype that never went anywhere. Unless you want to say they've been building for Lita to win the Woman's Championship since the beginning of Lita-Kane saga. If they did, then it was over my head. If this was "booked on the fly", then I do not count that as hype. This is not Raven-Dreamer folks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Trivia247 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 was sad seeing that vid footage of the bridal shower, with Jazz and Gail gone sniff sniff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MARTYEWR 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Seriously, has Lita had a better match ever than that one last night against Trish? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SamoaRowe 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Seriously, has Lita had a better match ever than that one last night against Trish? None comes to mind. Though I saw her in a good tag match at a house show once. It was Lita and Ivory against Molly Holly and Gail Kim, and I honestly enjoyed it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Personally, I thought the match was very sloppy and boring. I really don't see what the big deal is. It was the same match that we've seen every other time only with a sloppy superplex and a sloppy, botched tope. Oh, I guess it got three extra minutes or so. Good thing Lita won that title though! I mean, we only watched for four weeks to see how Triple H would lose his title. Instead it's vacant and we have a new women's champion. I SURE AM HAPPY. Now she can defend it against the uber deep roster of...Molly. At least it wasn't a PPV match I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
starvenger 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 This is not Raven-Dreamer folks. No, but for the women's division, it might as well be. Best women's match in the 'E' in a while. Surprising since Lita was involved, but to her credit she did a good job aside from the worst through-the-ropes dive I've seen since Mongo-Goldberg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Coffey, you seem to enjoy all the crap WWE puts out and dislike all the good stuff they do. What gives? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 the ring psychology was far improved over previous outings plus the crowd heat gave it a mega-boost...that's what sets it apart, not just the extra 3 minutes... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Coffey, you seem to enjoy all the crap WWE puts out and dislike all the good stuff they do. What gives? That's not true at all. I like Trish, and sometimes Lita. That match just wasn't good. It was painfully average with a lot of sloppy spots, yet I come here and read people praising it. It doesn't make any sense. The crowd heat did add a little, but what it added, the match lost from sloppy transistion moves and botched spots. ALL of which seemed to be Lita's fault...yet she STILL went over. What "crap" do I like? I take offense to that. WWE isn't the model example of good wrestling, but they do have their fair share every now and then. When they do something right, I comment on it. When they do something average, the norm, or bad...I'll comment on that too. Trish/Lita last night wasn't good and a lot of people here are saying it was. I'm one of the biggest people to speak up and out against negativity, but I'm not going to dillute myself into believing that the women's match last night was good because it was in the main event spot and the crowd wasn't dead. They tried to incorporate some new shit into the match, and they fucked almost all of it up. They shouldn't be praised for that. Lita won the title? Whoop-dee-shit. She's had it before, and she beat the slop out of Trish at the last PPV. Were we supposed to think that she couldn't win? "Oh my God, Lita has been through so much!" Yeah, she lost her RAPE baby after some JOBBER knocked Kane on top of her. It was HER FUCKING FAULT logically. She didn't have to have sex with Kane. She didn't have to get into the ring during the Snitsky match. Yet, as fans, we're supposed to feel sympathetic for her because the hotter, more attractive, better wrestling Trish made fun of her? The storyline doesn't even make sense! I can't get behind something like that. Of course, none of that matters now since it seems like Lita cares for Kane for whatever fucking reason. Apparently Matt Hardy fell off the fucking planet. We get reminder replays of Trish interrupting the "black wedding" but we don't see her being forced to marry Kane, or Kane BURNING MATT HARDY ALIVE, or about the rape baby or any of that. It's fucking stupid! On top of all that, it's not like the division is fucking credible. Why is her winning the title supposed to mean jack squat? Now she can wrestle Trish again and throw in some Molly every other week? Who gives a flying fuck? I'm not going to care about the slop just because Trish has a good heel character. OMG MATCH OF TEH YEAR~! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarvinisaLunatic 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I would have enjoyed the match more if it wasn't the main event. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Loss Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I'm not about to call the match *good* either, but I will call it better than the typical run-of-the-mill Divas matches. I guess what shocked me is that you've seemed to like all of HHH's boring 40 minute matches this year and his heel run where he's killed far too many babyfaces for my liking, but have a problem with an angle being paid off decisively after a long build in a better-than-expected match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Black Lushus 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I still don't understand why people are saying Lita was raped... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Coffey Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I guess what shocked me is that you've seemed to like all of HHH's boring 40 minute matches this year and his heel run where he's killed far too many babyfaces I think Triple H is a good worker though. Afterall, the "WWE style" was molded around him. I like the slow, psychological, plodding style. He sells well and bumps well. Plus I like his offense. I think he's a great worker. Granted a lot of people (at least on-line) feel like he wins too much...but that just makes him more of a heel to me. I did disagree with his win over Booker T. at Wrestlemania. I did disagree with a couple of his other wins too. I won't let that cloud my judgment on him as an in-ring worker though. Say what you want about him sitting in during meetings and whatnot. Ultimately, however, he doesn't have the last say in who wins and loses a match. I will call it better than the typical run-of-the-mill Divas matches OK, that's fine. Of course, the latest matches have involved Stacy beating Molly with roll-ups while Jazz has been fired. ...but [you] have a problem with an angle being paid off decisively after a long build in a better-than-expected match No I don't. Not at all. I don't think the angle has paid off. The build has been terrible, and I don't think the match was anything special. Otherwise, I'd probably agree with you. I can't just forget all the BS Snitsky/Kane crap...which Lita was in the middle of...and it's factored into this shitty Trish storyline. Like with Trish calling her fat from having "baby pounds." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Trish has been the best character on RAW, which is really the worst thing I've ever had to say. Of course, I could never boo her because she's too hot, but the point was made easily, and didn't require 8 20-minute promos like a certain long-nosed politics player needs to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shanghai Kid 0 Report post Posted December 7, 2004 I think they could of built up Lita's title win a little more if they had actually let Trish get the advantage in the weeks before. Lita broke Trish's nose and than pinned her in a tag match, if anything Trish should of been the won looking for revenge so I don't really see it as a "the face overcomes the odds scenario". I also don't know where you go with the womens division now. Does Lita feud with Molly Holly? Where does Trish go from here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest The Shadow Behind You Report post Posted December 7, 2004 Trish's injury wasn't real. She was using it as an excuse to avoid Lita but since Jericho saw through it, he went ahead and booked the match. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
