Why is Lord of the Rights so great?

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

I liked that they explained this early on (What with Gandalf's "Don't tempt me Frodo!") but wouldn't it have been possible for someone else (without crazy powers; just your average, strong-willed joe) to do it?

 

Humans are too easily corrupted by the ring, and while dwarves are not, they would also be careless. They lost some of the rings they already had and Sauron got the rest. They aren't the most reliable race. The elves are leaving Middle Earth and don't see where it is their problem.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Well, average strong-willed Hobbit, then.

 

[Art Sandusky 0]

I'm fairly certain you've seen commercials.

Smartarse, you know what I meant.

 

[Black Lushus 0]

IThen when the second one came out, a female friend of mine (hot) told me she was going to see it, and wanted to know if I'd go with her.

 

Well, I wasn't turning down that opportunity, so I agreed.

liar...

 

 

 

I dug this Trilogy...not enough to buy the extended editions but enough to get the regular DVD versions when they came out...I also liked the Matrix trilogy (action-wise anyway, certainly not storyline-wise) and the newer Star Wars movies are perfectly acceptable to me (i mean it IS star wars after all)...eat a dick, haters...

[Guest Smell the ratings!!!]

I really don't get this thread.

we hate these boring movies.

 

also, BE DIALIN' is my new line.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

I dunno... after watching the three movies... those who seem to love it have watched it like 30 times and are arrogant enough to think that everyone should catch all the little details in the movie, which aren't really explained to the casual viewer(ie with little to no experience with the books).

 

Fantasy aspect aside, I felt little sympathy for Frodo... Ripped off at not seeing another form of Sauron... and did Christopher Lee's character actually fucking bite it at the end of TT? Cause if he did... it can suck a fat one. Two Towers = 2 hours of talking, then some trees take out a powerful wizard...fucking yay.

 

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To clarify... How many fucking creatures are in this movie that you don't see again? That thing Gandalf fights in FOTR, those fucking trees, the elephants in the third. Plus however other many made up creatures are introduced all of a sudden, with no prior explanation and are suddenly used as plot devices.

 

We get two likeable characters who are built well in the first, Legolas and Gimli who all of a sudden quiet down to side acts.

 

That bloody tease of the Witch King(I think) vs Gandalf for RotK...WHICH THEY DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING SHOW!!! Why the fuck would they have that guy say he'd break the Wizard and then get his ass handed to him by that cunt and the hobbit. DUMB DUMB and 100 more times... FUCKING DUMB

 

 

All the little shit in the movie pisses me off and whatever epic it was supposed to create, lost a lot of it's tension when they kept introducing new characters further and further in with less and less story behind them.

 

 

As for that fucking ring... Oh my god that fucking ring...Now that bit earlier, with Gandalf("Don't tempt me Frodo") Well I don't remember that part, I won't say it didn't happen... But will somebody please tell me why in the hell this one ring, that is powerful enough to corrupt the soul of any who possess it and give them superior strength.... is fought over for three movies between a Hobbit and a skinny over grown green rat!

 

And Frodo's only battle is with himself and throwing the ring into the pit... the bad guy who is teased ever since the beginning of the first movie... infinitely powerful, they're all fucked if he gets the ring... he doesn't even come close... doesn't even know that the ring is destroyed in his very presence! Hell... he's not even a bad guy throughout the entire movie... just a name... not even a face! I guess that is a good symbol of true evil though, so props there.

 

So yeah, Frodo, the noble soul who needed to destroy the ring, couldn't even do it... because even though anyone else would have been corrupted, he was too. So we get a boring character who has a shitload of dilemnas and is too much of a pussy to complete his task and would have done the same thing anyone else would have done. Instead of suckinbg it up though and following through, another's overbearing greed and insanity does it for him... Real hero... awesome epic. By gawd he's my new role model.

 

Not a hundred percent hate for the movie... but it sure can piss me off.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Two Towers = 2 hours of talking, then some trees take out a powerful wizard...fucking yay.

 

Yeah...because all the other battle scenes in the movie just didn't happen. Right.

 

To clarify... How many fucking creatures are in this movie that you don't see again? That thing Gandalf fights in FOTR, those fucking trees, the elephants in the third.

 

You don't see the Balrog again because Gandalf killed it, and besides, Balrogs are extremely rare creatures.

 

The Ollyphants are in Two Towers, although they don't really do anything - but Frodo and Sam catch a glimpse of a passing army which has Ollyphants.

 

Also, the Ents are in the third movie as well. Granted, they don't really do much, but they are there.

 

Plus however other many made up creatures are introduced all of a sudden, with no prior explanation and are suddenly used as plot devices.

 

Well, unless the first hour of the movie was nothing more then a National Geographic Look at all the Creatures of Middle-Earth, that's unavoidable. The thing is, the books were essentially written as a history that never happened, so you either have to have some knowledge of the books, or just accept the fact that you don't know anything about Middle-Earth, and let the movies explain it to you.

 

That bloody tease of the Witch King(I think) vs Gandalf for RotK...WHICH THEY DIDN'T EVEN FUCKING SHOW!!! Why the fuck would they have that guy say he'd break the Wizard and then get his ass handed to him by that cunt and the hobbit.

 

Because the movie was already very long (too long, according to some) so some scenes had to be cut. The RotK EE shows the battle between Gandalf and the Witch-King, though.

 

But will somebody please tell me why in the hell this one ring, that is powerful enough to corrupt the soul of any who possess it and give them superior strength.... is fought over for three movies between a Hobbit and a skinny over grown green rat!

 

Because the Ring is the only thing Gollum cares about, and Frodo knows it must be destroyed.

 

That's the failsafe that Sauron built into the Ring. Anyone who has the Ring wants to keep it, and doesn't want it to be destroyed. That way, even when he got seperated from the Ring, he persisted because the Ring's magic prevented anyone from destroying it on purpose. So he simply assumed that even IF he somehow lost the Ring (I'm talking in terms of when he still had it, by the way) he would be able to get it back eventually, because someone would have it somewhere, and the Ring, which has a mind of it's own, in a sense, would attempt to get back to Sauron.

 

doesn't even know that the ring is destroyed in his very presence!

 

He knew. He just didn't know until Frodo put it on, because it never occured to him that anyone would be able to resist the power of the Ring long enough to return it to the one place it had to go to be destroyed. But once he knew where it was, he realized he was totally fucked.

 

I dunno if you can say that a giant flaming eye can show any emotion, but personally, I thought you could practically hear him yell "HOLY FUCKING SHIT I'M AN IDIOT!" when he realizes where the Ring is, and you see the eye turn.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

"Yeah...because all the other battle scenes in the movie just didn't happen. Right.

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While I enjoyed the Helm's Deep battle to an extent... there was no way I felt the main characters were gonna die... so a lot of the tension was destroyed. Beautiful visuals though... but it felt like it took itself away from the movie.

 

 

The Balrog. Point taken.

 

"The Ollyphants are in Two Towers, although they don't really do anything - but Frodo and Sam catch a glimpse of a passing army which has Ollyphants.

 

Also, the Ents are in the third movie as well. Granted, they don't really do much, but they are there."

 

It looks like we agree... kind of... I just got the feel most of the creatures were there just as obstacles. Too many of them, too little of Sauron. But I guess they do serve a purpose.

 

Well, unless the first hour of the movie was nothing more then a National Geographic Look at all the Creatures of Middle-Earth, that's unavoidable. The thing is, the books were essentially written as a history that never happened, so you either have to have some knowledge of the books, or just accept the fact that you don't know anything about Middle-Earth, and let the movies explain it to you.

 

Part of my point... alot of their explanations were thin... but they were talking so much anyway, they should have clarified some of it.

 

 

Why Tease the Witch King... and not show it. Grrr... that makes a too long movie frustrating as well... Too long and unresolved.

 

 

Point taken on the failsafe... but the failsafe still worked... so why feel the sympathy for Frodo, when anyone else could have done it? Is it impossible to say noone else could have redeemed themselves enough to throw it in, or Gollum?

 

I dunno if you can say that a giant flaming eye can show any emotion, but personally, I thought you could practically hear him yell "HOLY FUCKING SHIT I'M AN IDIOT!" when he realizes where the Ring is, and you see the eye turn.

 

I don't really know about reading the emotion... but he damn well better have said that.

 

They spend the entire three movies avoiding his wrath... to find out they never really had to face it in the first place. It was the ring's wrath the entire time and his own internal demons. It kind of cheapens the feel of all the special effects.

[nogoodnick 0]

The Balrog died. We saw it in TTT dead on top of a mountain.

[Lightning Flik 0]

They spend the entire three movies avoiding his wrath... to find out they never really had to face it in the first place. It was the ring's wrath the entire time and his own internal demons. It kind of cheapens the feel of all the special effects.

But the Ring's wraith WAS Sauron's wraith. The Ring was forged as a piece of property that would dish out what its master had placed of himself into the Ring.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

Part of my point... alot of their explanations were thin... but they were talking so much anyway, they should have clarified some of it.

 

 

Why Tease the Witch King... and not show it. Grrr... that makes a too long movie frustrating as well... Too long and unresolved.

 

I think we actually have similar feelings on the movies.

 

I also feel that a lot of the stuff was too convenient, especially the undead army. I mean, I understand WHY it had to be done like that, but it IS kind of annoying to not hear about these sorts of things until they're just about to happen. A lot of it seems to come off as just being normal to the characters (which I suppose it is) but it's not normal to us, so it can be kind of annoying.

 

As for the Witch King, I always assumed that he intended to kill Gandalf, but never really got the chance. He made the King of Rohan his first objective (which was wise; kill the guy in charge and, if nothing else, you've just butchered morale) but got killed before he could move on.

 

That bugged me too though. I would've greatly preferred if he actually killed SOMETHING, you know? I would have liked it much better if he had landed somewhere else on the battlefield, and had to cleave his way (much like Sauron did at the start of FotR) to the King.

 

Is it impossible to say noone else could have redeemed themselves enough to throw it in

 

As far as I know, yes. Well, there was that one guy who seemed to be immune to the Ring, but he wasn't even in the movies.

 

They spend the entire three movies avoiding his wrath... to find out they never really had to face it in the first place.

 

Because they won, and destroyed the Ring. Had they not, then they would have faced his wrath, and then be dead.

[Guest Beingz0wningj00]

Because they won, and destroyed the Ring. Had they not, then they would have faced his wrath, and then be dead.

 

I'm probably a prick... but I think I would have liked that better.

 

 

 

Yeah... the undead army was something I wanted to mention... a lot of these characters should have had some foreshadowing or something to it... which was a big part that pissed me off with this Witch King. Here's a guy who actually had history not just in the books, but to the viewer as well...a badass who would have killed Frodo, has mystical powers and we get a feeling we're about to see just how deadly he can be... then BAM... he got punked out.

 

 

I just read you see Seramon die in the EE version of RotK... There's another thing... the guy Beat Gandalf in the first movie... then all of a sudden he disappears.

[MarvinisaLunatic 0]

Im desperately hoping that they make the Prequel...The Hobbit. I read that book first and never read the other books until after I Saw the movies, but I want to see The Hobbit get the same treatment as the other 3 books.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

If Sauron gets the Ring, the movie is over and he wins. Mankind was no longer strong enough to stand up to him like they were in the Last Alliance at the end of the Second Age.

 

Sauron's thinking, and it made sense, is that Gandalf will attempt to put Aragorn on the throne of Gondor, the Ring will go to Minas Tirith and that mankind will strike out against Mordor from there. He never knew that they planned on destroying the Ring. That's why when Aragorn shows up at the Black Gate (in the book he looks into the palantir first to taunt Sauron), he damn well pays attention to him, and Frodo is able to go in under-the-radar. The flaw in the plan is that Frodo is not willing to destroy the Ring once he gets there, and they almost lose everything because of it. Once Frodo puts the Ring on, Sauron can immediately sense it. That's why the Ringwraiths flee from the battle immediately when he puts it on and head to Mount Doom to try and get it.

[The Metal Maniac 0]

I really wanna see a movie of The Hobbit as well, if only for Smaug.

 

I just hope that, if they do make the movie, they don't make him look like a freakin' cat like in the cartoon version.

[Guest CronoT]

And Frodo's only battle is with himself and throwing the ring into the pit... the bad guy who is teased ever since the beginning of the first movie... infinitely powerful, they're all fucked if he gets the ring... he doesn't even come close... doesn't even know that the ring is destroyed in his very presence! Hell... he's not even a bad guy throughout the entire movie... just a name... not even a face! I guess that is a good symbol of true evil though, so props there.

 

So yeah, Frodo, the noble soul who needed to destroy the ring, couldn't even do it... because even though anyone else would have been corrupted, he was too. So we get a boring character who has a shitload of dilemnas and is too much of a pussy to complete his task and would have done the same thing anyone else would have done. Instead of suckinbg it up though and following through, another's overbearing greed and insanity does it for him... Real hero... awesome epic. By gawd he's my new role model.

 

Not a hundred percent hate for the movie... but it sure can piss me off.

Most people who haven't read the book, or haven't looked into J.R.R. Tolkien's life history don't know that he was a very devout Catholic. Just like Geoffrey of Monmouth who wrote the original tales of King Arthur, he based his epic story on the Bible, and the life of Christ.

 

Sauron is the devil, the ring is sin, and Frodo and Aragorn are aspects of Christ. Notice I said "aspects of." You can figure out your own similarities for the rest of the stuff in the books and the film, but that is the basis for it.

[Guest evenflowDDT]

I am in the minority that LOVED FOTR, but pretty much didn't care for the other two. I think Fellowship setup the next two fantastically, but then the other two failed to deliver. Not that I hated them or thought they were awful, just not great like others think.

This is pretty much how I feel about the series. Fellowship, while a bit underwhelming on first viewing, was greatly aided by a second viewing and reading of the novels, yet the other two, while having enjoyable moments and sequences, really fail to bring anything new to the table (though I'll admit to never having been a fan of epic war/battle scenes). Add this to the absurd amount of awards/clamor placed on Return of the King (most of which, if I may, seems to be focused more on it as representative/conclusion of the trilogy rather than as a film in its own right), including its infuriating (to me) Oscar-sweep, and you've got an indifference leaning towards hatred.

 

They're certainly technically accomplished, but nothing I'd ever really want to see again. Of course I will though, since my girlfriend's a fan, and, having already ruined Moulin Rouge for her forever, I feel bad and wish to be more tolerant towards others' admiration for films I'm not big on.

[godthedog 0]

ah, 'moulin rouge'. i should start a topic called "movies i like by directors i hate."

[Lil' Bitch 0]

That's another reason I'm glad they made the EEs. Its a great plus for the hardcore LOTR fans.

 

By the way, I haven't watched the first two in the past years, was Aragorn ever referred to as Strider in the movies?

[the max 0]

Fellowship, until they learn who he really is.

[bobobrazil1984 0]

LOTR was awesome. Two Towers was the weakest of the trilogy. And since I am also awesome, what I say is automatically right! Sorry guys, tough break.

[PLAGIARISM! 0]

I loved em. Return of the king should have ended at the coronation, but other than that I think it's important to look past the big effects and whether you liked those, and concentrate on Jackson's attention to detail as a director. Those films are truly beautiful, and I normally hate everything. I certainly wasn't bored.

[Guest SP-1]

There are alot of Catholic/Christian themes in Tolkein's RINGS work, but no direct allegory. That's a myth.

[CBright7831 0]

Someone compared Gollum to Jar Jar Binks.

 

Please, never do that again.

 

Ever.

 

Gollum at least had a soul.

 

And I agree with you all, it's just walking around New Zealand for acouple of hours.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

 

[Use Your Illusion 0]

So what was the Gandalf/Witch King battle like from one of the Extended Editions? I, too, was a tad disappointed that it didn't make the final cut (however, it is understandable with the length of the films).

[Insane Bump Machine 0]

UYI: When Gandalf and Pippin ride to rescue Faramir from Denethor's burning attempt, the Witch King flies onto the scene and blocks their way. He then taunts Gandalf and breaks his staff. Pippin for a moment tries to join the battle, but is too terrified to actually do anything. The Witch King taunts a bit more, but just as he's about to go for the kill the horns signal the arrival of the Rohirrim and he flies away to kill Theoden a few minutes later. It's pretty much the same as in the book.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

And I agree with you all, it's just walking around New Zealand for acouple of hours.

 

And I suppose Lawrence of Arabia is just riding around in the desert for four hours...

[Use Your Illusion 0]

Thanks, IBM. Nice to see Jackson stayed faithful.