Alchohol Ban On College Campuses

[Damaramu 0]

There is the whole thing that most of the people that are doing this drinking are under the age of 21. And no matter how much you say "It's harmless and fun!" It is still illegal. So if the college campus bans it you're either going to have to go to a party off campus or to a bar where you should have no trouble drinking if you're 21.

 

If you're old enough to live away from your parents, join the army, drive, vote or otherwise be considered an adult, you're old enough to drink and the law should reflect that. I still get a chuckle out of hearing stories about soldiers fighting valiantly and all of them expected to give their lives for their country, but if they're under 21 they're not mature enough to drink. Sad.

There used to be a really god argument against that but I can't remember it. My teacher used to tell it all the time.

 

It was something to the effect that you are responsible enough to learn combat training and how to fight but you're basically not responsible enough to drink. Which I agree with.

A 16 year old could probably fight in the army b/c they'd be able to complete the training and learn what is needed but they're to stupid and irresponsible to know when to quit drinking and how to control themselves.

 

When you're 18 you may be able to complete the training but you're probably still going to try and drink as much as possible and do as much stupid shit as possible.

 

And that's where I seperate myself from the frat boys and the stupid freshman at my college.

I don't drink liquor, I only drink beer. When I drink beer it's not to get drunk. I don't get drunk. I'm drinking a beer b/c I like beer and I'm maybe going to have a couple to get a nice buzz while I'm watching a football game.

Now most of the frat boys and freshman partiers are drinking with the express purpose of getting drunk. They don't know when to quit and they just want to get wasted as quickly as possible. Why? Because everyone around them is doing it and saying that it's cool. That's the problem with underage drinking.

Now I'm not saying anyone over 21 doesnt' do that but there's less people of the legal age that are drinking just to get wasted than there are underage people drinking to get trashed.

 

So basically the age is 21 and should stay 21 until people quit thinking they should get wasted at a party everytime a drop of alcohol touches there lips.

I mean jesus I went to a party on Saturday night and I had like 3 beers. I stopped and hung out at the party for another 3 or so hours without having another drink. I had a damn good time. Then I drove home b/c I was sober. Most people I know at school would've drank those three beers in 15 minutes and started throwing back shots until they couldn't see straight then they'd try to drive home.

That's just not right.

[Guest BDC]

Fine.  Then go out and drink. Don't sit across the hall from me and drink til you turn into a moron while I'm trying to get work done.  There is something to be said for living in dorms, but there's also the awareness that there are other people around you whose time is just as valuable as yours.

 

The whole thing pretty much devolves into where you're going to drink.  Fine, go somewhere else if you're going to bitch about it.  I've had drunk people stumble into my room wanting to fight while I'm trying to get a damn paper done, you're not going to convince me that this isn't a good idea.

Drinking in dorms is illegal at pretty much every school unless you're 21, and certainly against university policies. If you live in a dorm and have that big a problem with someone, get your R.A. They exist to handle that shit. If you're not willing to do that because you don't want to be a tattletale or whatever, then suck it up and deal with it. You can work within the system to take care of people who cause problems for you, or you can bitch about it. Take your pick.

 

And if you live in a frat house and complain about people drinking and getting stupid...well, you made your rickety bed. Lie in it.

Yeah, me in a frat house. That's funny.

 

My point is, I live on a dry campus and that stuff goes on. I have friends that live on wet campuses and the stuff is obscene. You tell me exactly how you can even try to keep a straight face endorsing a no drinking policy in a dorm when you're on a wet campus.

[NoCalMike 0]

Blaming drinking on Frat houses is not entirely fair though. I mean the Frats definately are to blame for their ridiculous initiations and hazing rituals that cause kids to get alcohol poisoning, but to act like Frat boys are the only young men that get drunk off their ass and stumble around trying to get home is ignorant. I don't think I would ever set foot inside a frat house, however I have been known to get shitfaced olenty. I like beer, but sometimes I will drink to GET DRUNK. I tend to agree with the idea of regulating Frats and Sororities in order to keep them in check, because as soon as you try and ban shit, it will just go off campus where the danger level increases by a lot.

[Edwin MacPhisto 0]

My point is, I live on a dry campus and that stuff goes on. I have friends that live on wet campuses and the stuff is obscene. You tell me exactly how you can even try to keep a straight face endorsing a no drinking policy in a dorm when you're on a wet campus.

I'm still not really getting the "wet campus"/"dry campus" distinction. Are you saying that the student body isn't allowed to consume alcohol on a dry campus, regardless of where they live or what their age is? At my university, only about 40% of students live in dorms, and if you're underage, you're not allowed to drink in your room. If your RA finds out, they're required to report it or, if word gets back somehow that they didn't, they lose their free housing. If you are 21, you can drink in your room just fine. Is that dry? Is that wet? What is this world of lies?

[sfaJack 0]

My school was a "dry campus," which meant no alcohol on the grounds anywhere. Period.

 

Across the street, however? Drink away.

[Damaramu 0]

I think we need to get away from all this dry/wet campus bullshit and just teach people to be more fucking responsible. Seriously go to a frat party and 99% of the people are irresponsible fucktards seeing how much Jack they can drink before they pass out.

[Guest Vitamin X]

My point is, I live on a dry campus and that stuff goes on.  I have friends that live on wet campuses and the stuff is obscene.  You tell me exactly how you can even try to keep a straight face endorsing a no drinking policy in a dorm when you're on a wet campus.

I'm still not really getting the "wet campus"/"dry campus" distinction. Are you saying that the student body isn't allowed to consume alcohol on a dry campus, regardless of where they live or what their age is? At my university, only about 40% of students live in dorms, and if you're underage, you're not allowed to drink in your room. If your RA finds out, they're required to report it or, if word gets back somehow that they didn't, they lose their free housing. If you are 21, you can drink in your room just fine. Is that dry? Is that wet? What is this world of lies?

I believe in that case, you'd be in a wet campus, <badjoke>especially in Florida</badjoke> since you can still drink. A dry campus would be one in which there was no alcohol allowed under any scenario, underage, legal age, on visitation, whatever.

 

Seriously go to a frat party and 99% of the people are irresponsible fucktards seeing how much Jack they can drink before they pass out.

 

...which usually isn't much, drawing from my experiences with frats.

[iggymcfly 0]

I love people who like to act superior about how they don't drink. "Well, the last time I went to a party, I only drank three beers, and I had a good time, so if you wanted to have eight drinks, that makes you an irresponsible fucktard, and by all means the school should devote all their resources to trying to get you arrested."

 

Why do you care? Why can't you just chill out, and be like "Ok, I don't drink much, but if somebody else wants to, that's fine. As long as they're not endangering people on the road, or being ridiculously obnoxious, I'll just mind my own business."

 

What's with all this support for these stupid regulations. If it were up to me, I'd make the drinking age the same as it is in Germany. 14 for beer and 16 for liquor. By all means, if you kill someone driving drunk, you should be jailed for negligent homicide, but the 21 year old drinking age serves no practical purpose.

[Precious Roy 0]

Make campuses dry, it doesn't matter. Kids will still get booze on campus, and they'll still go off-campus to drink. There is no stop-gap solution to keep kids from dying from alcohol overdoses, stupid kids will over-drink anyway. The REAL solution starts from the very bottom, a lowering of drinking ages and a healthier overall outlook on alcohol as a nation. The underlying currents of the temperance movement are the reason we get so many binge drinkers and alcoholics. Drinking should be a healthy, natural thing, but our culture is retarded.....

[mister foozel 0]

Then to top it all off they look down on you if you don't party every night and they brag very loudly in class about it which is never cool.

Hey I had a couple of beers on Saturday night but I'm not in class on Monday morning going "HEY GUYS! GUESS WHAT!? I DRANK ON SATURDAY! THAT'S RIGHT I HAD SOME BUDWEISER AND SHOTS OF VODKA! YEAH THAT'S RIGHT! EVERYONE LOOK AT ME! I WAS DRINKING! I'M COOL!"

And that's basically what I get from the fuck ups in the frats.

reminds me a lot of high school

[Damaramu 0]

I love people who like to act superior about how they don't drink. "Well, the last time I went to a party, I only drank three beers, and I had a good time, so if you wanted to have eight drinks, that makes you an irresponsible fucktard, and by all means the school should devote all their resources to trying to get you arrested."

 

Why do you care? Why can't you just chill out, and be like "Ok, I don't drink much, but if somebody else wants to, that's fine. As long as they're not endangering people on the road, or being ridiculously obnoxious, I'll just mind my own business."

 

What's with all this support for these stupid regulations. If it were up to me, I'd make the drinking age the same as it is in Germany. 14 for beer and 16 for liquor. By all means, if you kill someone driving drunk, you should be jailed for negligent homicide, but the 21 year old drinking age serves no practical purpose.

Because there is no point in just drinking and drinking to get drunk. And then they usually do something irresponsible like take advantage of a girl that's too drunk to know what's going on or try to drive.

 

Then on top of that they go to class on Monday morning and announce it to everyone like it's a badge of courage and they do it in a really obnoxious way. And then they act like they are superior because they got drunk and you didn't.

 

That's the problem I have with these people. I can mind my own business but oh about every frat boy I know at school is absurdly obnoxious with it.

 

Then after this kid died and the truth came out that his brothers were making him drink as a hazing ritual they all were like "It's not our fault! It was his choice! Not our fault!" And then they got even madder when the school told them they couldn't drink at their house anymore. Hey guys someone just died b/c you guys couldn't drink repsonsibly at your party that's why they say you can't drink at your house anymore! And he died b/c you idiots were hazing him!

From what I understand he passed out on the couch and even puked at one point while laying there and nobody checked on him. They probably walked by and went "Oh man look at this drunk fuck! Oh man he puked! HAHAHA!"

[Ripper 0]

I know the best thing about these alchohol bans.

 

The Students are going to gather to protest and eventually get drunk and tear the fucking campus up in a riot.

 

I tells ya, no body riots more in this country than angry, drunk white kids.

[kkktookmybabyaway 0]

Yeah, those pseudo-riots make me ashamed to be a white male.

 

Ah who the hell am I kidding? I love watching the cops beat the shit out of those punks...

[MrRant 0]

I prefer it when the cops beat the shit out of a bunch of different colors of people.

 

It makes it more interesting.

[Guest Vitamin X]

What's with all this support for these stupid regulations. If it were up to me, I'd make the drinking age the same as it is in Germany. 14 for beer and 16 for liquor. By all means, if you kill someone driving drunk, you should be jailed for negligent homicide, but the 21 year old drinking age serves no practical purpose.

You're obviously not 21 yet, or not have grown up with many people who have made it to or past that age, because you'd then know the difference in maturity to handle alcohol at age 16 compared to age 21. It's a world of difference in those 5 years, and I think most of us can testify to that. 21 is a bit of an odd number, perhaps I'd maybe lower it to 20 at the most, but I don't see anything wrong with the current system being the way it is.

 

Make campuses dry, it doesn't matter. Kids will still get booze on campus, and they'll still go off-campus to drink. There is no stop-gap solution to keep kids from dying from alcohol overdoses, stupid kids will over-drink anyway. The REAL solution starts from the very bottom, a lowering of drinking ages and a healthier overall outlook on alcohol as a nation. The underlying currents of the temperance movement are the reason we get so many binge drinkers and alcoholics. Drinking should be a healthy, natural thing, but our culture is retarded.....

 

What exactly the fuck is healthy and natural about drinking anything other than wine? The human body reacts to alcohol as a toxin, which is what creates the sensation of being drunk, and why you vomit (or die of poisoning) if you drink too much. Read up on how to make moonshine or just liquor in general, as well. You'd find that in the process you actually have to seperate a certain amount of the alcohol because a single sip of it at first is lethal (and therefore why there's a certain limit on how much alcohol certain drinks can have).

 

If anything, I'd bring prohibition back and legalize marijuana. But since we're a country that can't stand living without alcohol, I personally think it's just better off people assume responsibilities for themselves, at a time in which they're able to handle it. Which is certainly not coming right out of high school.

 

Man, I never thought I'd so strongly agree with Dama on something.

[Damaramu 0]

Man, I never thought I'd so strongly agree with Dama on something.

Why does everyone keep saying that? I'm not a moron ya know.......

[Ripper 0]

I prefer it when the cops beat the shit out of a bunch of different colors of people.

 

It makes it more interesting.

Thats the problem with this country. Only rich white kids riot these days. Only way you are going to start a multi racial riot these days is throw something at Ron Artest and have skinney lil white guys celebrate like a woman when he looks up to see who did it.

 

Then its on...white guys punching black guys, black guys punching chubby latinos, latinos tackling white guys, black guys hitting old white guys with chairs....

 

 

Thats just plain racial harmony.

[The Czech Republic 0]

Greeks run the country.

Uh no way dude, Jews run the country. Greeks run coffee shops. FUCKEN DUH

[RepoMan 0]

The probleme in this country and alcohol is that legal access is delayed for such a long time. Freshmen/ High School kids are going to drink to get drunk everytime they drink because their is a certain amount of uncertainty about the next time they'll we able to drink. If a freshman comes to your apartment and gets alcohol posining, some pepole are going to neglect to call the authorities because of the likelyhood of legal ramifications.

 

If it were legal for that freshman to drink, no one would hestitate, or he could have gone to a bar which would have cut him off when he was too drunk. Or he could have just drank in his dorm and avoid the trouble of involving other pepole, possibly driving, or getting in trouble on the walk to or from campus. Countries like Germany and France have low or non-existant drinking ages, very tough DUI/DWI laws, and a lot less binge drinking/ drunk driving. It's better to ease kids into drinking.

[UseTheSledgehammerUh 0]

When we throw parties we usually have about 300 people come on a night.

 

And we have designated drivers to take them TO our house and BACK to campus.

 

Not to mention all the other risk management issues to deal with.

 

The way I see it, KIDS ARE GONNA DRINK. Better to be at a house where they're taken care of then out driving around.