DMann2003 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 I'm just going through my tapes again and I'm watching the KOTR 96 match between Michaels and Davey Boy, pretty good match, and I have their match from Beware of Dog, One Night Only and the SNME from 10/92 with the IC title switch, I know they had a RAW match after the 95 Rumble, but I don't have that one. Just though I'd ask among the guys (and gals) around here their opinions on these matches. Despite the ending, I think the One Night Only match was the best, although KOTR is pretty good too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 My fav off the top of my head is KOTR 96, though I'd have to watch them all again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Despite the horrible, horrible, horrible (repeat 5,064 more times) finish, I'll have to go with One Night Only. SNME 11/92: Good, but Michaels wasn't in his stride yet in singles matches. 2/95 episode of MNR: Dull... borefest... boring... BoD: Good, although with a stupid finish. Little short on time IIRC. KOTR: Very dull I thought. Match seemed to drag on 10 minutes too long, and just was basically Bulldog overpowering HBK until Shawn made the comeback. Note: Did Bulldog EVER pin Michaels on T.V.? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Note: Did Bulldog EVER pin Michaels on T.V.? Nope Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jingus 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Was there ever a Rockers vs British Bulldogs match? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Note: Did Bulldog EVER pin Michaels on T.V.? Nope He does have a Coliseum Video win on I believe Battle of the SuperStars 1992. I know that wasn't televised but at least it was commercially released . . . more than one can say about Savage's pinfall victories over Hogan . . . if there were any. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Match wise: BoD Angle wise: KOTR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDH257 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 For heat, nothing compares to One Night Only. Davey Boy was told he was winning the match, so he went around promoting the show in the U.K. media and saying that his sister, who has cancer, will be in the front row cherring him on and that he's dedicating the match to her. The day of the show Shawn decides he wants to win the match and the European title, Vince tells Bulldog that the next U.K. ppv is in his hometown of Manchester and it will make a great story for Bulldog to win it back there. Bulldog reluctently agreed. The match (with Davey Boy's family including his sister, who died months later, sitting in the front row and acknowledged often on camera) is really good and ends with Shawn winning with tons of interference from HHH, Chyna, and Rick Rude. The crowd is pissed. DX directs some of their crotch chops at Bulldog's wife and sister, Shawn gets on the mike and calls the crowd a bunch of lymies, and the crowd pelted the ring with garbage comparable to the early days of the nWo. Bret was pissed because he and Owen wrestled earlier and he wondered why they weren't scripted to at least make the save for Davey Boy after the match. Montreal was two months later and the Buldog obviously was gone by the time the Manchester show happened (not like Shawn was ever really gonna lose it anyway). On the list of all of Shawn's evil political moves, I rank that near the top. And this is coming form someone who thought he should have been in the Observer Hall of Fame Long before he was voted in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dobbs 3K 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Didn't Davey Boy get injured at One Night Only as well? I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered him hurting his leg or something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brighty 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Didn't Davey Boy get injured at One Night Only as well? I could be wrong, but I thought I remembered him hurting his leg or something. that was part of the storyline of the match, leading to him passing out in the figure four at the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brighty 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Was there ever a Rockers vs British Bulldogs match? not sure. but if tag matches count, hands down the best Bulldog/Michaels match is the tag title match from RAW in 1997 where Shawn and Austin won the belts from Bulldog and Owen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDH257 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 They did a spot during the match where Davey's knee buckled while he was on the outside. It wasn't real, they just did it to establish his knee as a problem so Shawn could work it over. The match ended when Davey passed out in Shawn's figure four. Davey had knee surgery months later, but it wasn't because of that match (I thought he hurt it, or at least aggrivated it, in Montral at the Bret-Vince scuffle when Shane McMahon stepped on his leg or somthing like that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 I've said it before but I just can't stand watching any Shawn Michaels match from 1994 to 1998. I couldn't bring myself to enjoy the ladder matches or any of his other "classics". One Night Only is one of the reasons why. There is no reason why Shawn couldn't have lost . . . JR could gloss over it on Raw and golly gee, maybe Shawn can get his win back in the states and all would be right in the world . . . but no. In fact, the only Michaels match I can watch over and over from that era is him losing the title to Sid, not so much due to the match as much as seeing the crowd poop on Michaels brought a joyful tear to my eye. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cawthon777 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Davey did beat Shawn on Battle of the WWF Superstars but it was via DQ, not pinfall. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Personally, I'd got with One Night Only. I didn't get to see the event live here in the UK becuase SKY had a dispute over money with the cable companies and so I had to wait until it was released on video. It pissed me off when I found out Michaels had won. I mean, what was the point in giving him the European Championship anyway? As for the Manchester event, it was called "Mayhem In Manchester" and was supposed to be shown as a UK PPV but that feel through after ONO wasn't the sucess that the WWF was hoping for in terms of a buy-rate, probably due to the large number of cable viewers who could not order the event. I went to MIM and the show was main-evented by Kane vs. Undertaker. However, that was only the main-event because Undertakers luggage (including his costume) had gone missing and so he had to go on last in street clothers. The main event was supposed to be the new WWF Champion Steve Austin vs. Triple H. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 For heat, nothing compares to One Night Only. Davey Boy was told he was winning the match, so he went around promoting the show in the U.K. media and saying that his sister, who has cancer, will be in the front row cherring him on and that he's dedicating the match to her. The day of the show Shawn decides he wants to win the match and the European title, Vince tells Bulldog that the next U.K. ppv is in his hometown of Manchester and it will make a great story for Bulldog to win it back there. Bulldog reluctently agreed. The match (with Davey Boy's family including his sister, who died months later, sitting in the front row and acknowledged often on camera) is really good and ends with Shawn winning with tons of interference from HHH, Chyna, and Rick Rude. The crowd is pissed. DX directs some of their crotch chops at Bulldog's wife and sister, Shawn gets on the mike and calls the crowd a bunch of lymies, and the crowd pelted the ring with garbage comparable to the early days of the nWo. Bret was pissed because he and Owen wrestled earlier and he wondered why they weren't scripted to at least make the save for Davey Boy after the match. Montreal was two months later and the Buldog obviously was gone by the time the Manchester show happened (not like Shawn was ever really gonna lose it anyway). On the list of all of Shawn's evil political moves, I rank that near the top. And this is coming form someone who thought he should have been in the Observer Hall of Fame Long before he was voted in. you really should credit Dave Meltzer when almost verbatim reprinting his recap of the scenario. I love the KotR '96 match and ONO and SNME compete for 2 & 3. Though I hearthere's a hell of a match from MSG in '95 I should track down. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 22, 2005 I've said it before but I just can't stand watching any Shawn Michaels match from 1994 to 1998. I couldn't bring myself to enjoy the ladder matches or any of his other "classics". One Night Only is one of the reasons why. There is no reason why Shawn couldn't have lost . . . JR could gloss over it on Raw and golly gee, maybe Shawn can get his win back in the states and all would be right in the world . . . but no. In fact, the only Michaels match I can watch over and over from that era is him losing the title to Sid, not so much due to the match as much as seeing the crowd poop on Michaels brought a joyful tear to my eye. Wow, thats sad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 22, 2005 ONE match was the best by far. The rest lacked either importance or impact. This had both. And too the people who hate HBK for this, the hypocracy of smarks to HBK in comparison to someone like Austin is disgusting and pathetic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Austin drew $$$ in his prime. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 22, 2005 That is very irrelevant. HBK was very political to a smark fav. in Bret and his antics are very well known. The amount of shit Austin pulled is equal to Shawn, but people think he is good and are marks for his gimmick. Its that simple. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 22, 2005 Is it a rule for an argument over Shawn Michaels to happen every 2 weeks? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 That is very irrelevant. HBK was very political to a smark fav. in Bret and his antics are very well known. The amount of shit Austin pulled is equal to Shawn, but people think he is good and are marks for his gimmick. Its that simple. HBK's bullshit as a wrestler made life harder for everyone. Austin's bullshit as a wrestler made the company money and in part turned the company around. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lil' Bitch 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 I mean, what was the point in giving him the European Championship anyway? So he can become the first Grand Slam Champion (World, IC, Tag, EC). Yeah, I know, he couldn't have waited until they got back to the US. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeDirt 0 Report post Posted January 22, 2005 I mean, what was the point in giving him the European Championship anyway? So he can become the first Grand Slam Champion (World, IC, Tag, EC). Yeah, I know, he couldn't have waited until they got back to the US. Meltzer said in the Bret Hart screwjob stuff that the decision was last second and Bulldog was told that it was to build to a bigger confrontation in early 1998 in Bulldog's hometown where he would go over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Si82 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2005 I mean, what was the point in giving him the European Championship anyway? So he can become the first Grand Slam Champion (World, IC, Tag, EC). Yeah, I know, he couldn't have waited until they got back to the US. Why did he need to be the first Grand Slam Champion? He didn't need to. It didn't add anything to his feud with the Undertaker, which was on going at the time, and they knew he was being thrust into the world title picture after that. Did Michaels ever defend the European Championship other than when he lost it to Triple H? If anything he made the title worthless. I'm not to have a go, but I just don't see it as a valid excuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 23, 2005 That is very irrelevant. HBK was very political to a smark fav. in Bret and his antics are very well known. The amount of shit Austin pulled is equal to Shawn, but people think he is good and are marks for his gimmick. Its that simple. HBK's bullshit as a wrestler made life harder for everyone. Austin's bullshit as a wrestler made the company money and in part turned the company around. Are you saying that you wouldnt be incredably bitter to Shawn on what he did to Bulldog if he was drawing? Yah right. Its an inherant biased in which drawing has no relivance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Rrrsh Report post Posted January 23, 2005 I mean, what was the point in giving him the European Championship anyway? So he can become the first Grand Slam Champion (World, IC, Tag, EC). Yeah, I know, he couldn't have waited until they got back to the US. Why did he need to be the first Grand Slam Champion? He didn't need to. It didn't add anything to his feud with the Undertaker, which was on going at the time, and they knew he was being thrust into the world title picture after that. Did Michaels ever defend the European Championship other than when he lost it to Triple H? If anything he made the title worthless. I'm not to have a go, but I just don't see it as a valid excuse. HBK wanted the belt just to add to his resume. Its shallow, yes. But people remember that. It was another stroke to his ego. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MillenniumMan831 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2005 That is very irrelevant. HBK was very political to a smark fav. in Bret and his antics are very well known. The amount of shit Austin pulled is equal to Shawn, but people think he is good and are marks for his gimmick. Its that simple. HBK's bullshit as a wrestler made life harder for everyone. Austin's bullshit as a wrestler made the company money and in part turned the company around. Are you saying that you wouldnt be incredably bitter to Shawn on what he did to Bulldog if he was drawing? Yah right. Its an inherant biased in which drawing has no relivance. Austin didn't pull nearly the amount of unnecessary shit that Michaels did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted January 23, 2005 Austins one major pull: Refusing to work with Jeff Jarrett... honestly, who the fuck wouldn't? I still don't buy Jarrett as a main eventer in TNA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DMann2003 0 Report post Posted January 23, 2005 There is a moment during the KOTR match where Bulldog takes a bump off of the corner turnbuckle and it's not hyperbole for me to say he bounces like a pinball off of the corner. That match has some really great bumps in it, and a bit off topic, there's a match where Shawn (I think against Razor from 93) where he sails clear over the ropes and lands flat on his back on the floormats, arms spread out. It's a mega-bump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites