What if?

[LucharesuFan619 0]

Being a big XPW fan, I've always wondered what would have happened if Rob Black and Paul Heyman had came to accord during the ECW/Extreme Associates discussions in 1998 and early 1999. Rob was gonna hook Paul up with video distribution in Brazil and EA was going to get figurines put out of their porn stars. Would ECW still be around to this day if a deal had been made?

[Guest Astro]

If the Von Erich's had lived, Texas would still have died, simply because the Von Erich's were going to self-destruct anyway.

I disagree. I think that if the Von Erichs would have remained reasonably clean and World Class would have stayed as strong as it was on ESPN, they would have eventually become to the NWA what Hulk Hogan was to the WWF. It was only a matter of time before they all worked semi-full schedules for the NWA or the WWF with the type of star power they were gathering, and they were the young, good looking, charismatic type of guys who would have done good business for the NWA with both young males and females alike. They could have gone to the WWF as well, but either way I think it would have just strengthened the Texas territory to one that could still draw locally today as well as Memphis can with Jerry Lawler and Bill Dundee instead of killing it dead when all of their heroes started dying.

 

If he would have stayed clean and kept all of his vital appendages intact, Kerry Von Erich would have been one of the biggest stars ever and I honestly think he's the one guy who could have made the Hogan push work if Vince wouldn't have been able to bring The Hulk in.

 

I guess we'll never know though, which is a real shame.

Mike was the shitz, Chris was to small, kevin was only as good as who he was in the ring aganist, Kerry couldn't cut a promo, David.....well that I'm not sure of. they were a product of Fritz giving them a god push, the push that led to pressure, pressure leading to drugs...... If they had stayed hot, NWA and WWF would've still swiped up all their talent.

 

A better question might be: What if JCP hadn't gotten so crazy and kept Flair for himself and stealing top guys from his own feeder territories that he had agreements with.

 

WCCW went down the tubes because they left the NWA, they left the NWA because the Von Erichs weren't in line to win a World Tile. Why weren't they in line? Well the Von Erichs were not over enough nation wide, weren't good enough to make anyone look good (ala Flair, Race, Funks, Briscos) and had the drug issues thanks to Daddy pressuring them and getting all their law run ins taken off the books and out of the media.

[Guest Arnold_OldSchool]

I still think a Dr. Death vs Ric Flair NWA/UWF unification match in Jan. 88 would've sold better than Flair vs Hawk on PPV

[Jericholic82 0]

Being a big XPW fan, I've always wondered what would have happened if Rob Black and Paul Heyman had came to accord during the ECW/Extreme Associates discussions in 1998 and early 1999. Rob was gonna hook Paul up with video distribution in Brazil and EA was going to get figurines put out of their porn stars. Would ECW still be around to this day if a deal had been made?

dont know if ecw would still be around but Im glad to see a fellow xpw fan on here. I only went to one show (may 2000 in ventura,ca-they showed some of it on the tv including axl rotten vs abdullah, where they proceeded to stab each other with a fork and use staples GROSS BUT COOL-if anyone has a tape of that Im in the second row with a wwf attitude hat and a rock tshirt on sitting next to my dad whos weraing glasses)

 

but I used to enjoy their tv show and all their crazy skits.

Rob Black as the crazy owner was cool. Talking to "eirc bischoof" on the phone and of course "NC"

[Jericholic82 0]

BUMP

[Richard 0]

What if the Shockmaster hadn't tripped?

 

What if Sting hadn't injured his leg at Cotc X?

 

What if Steamboat jobbed the IC title to Butch Reed instead of Honky?

[Vern Gagne 0]

What if the Shockmaster hadn't tripped?

The gimmick would of still bombed, and it might of been worse since WCW would of pushed Shockmaster has a legit wrestler.

[MARTYEWR 0]

Here's one for you guys...

 

In 1998, HHH was briefly talking with WCW about contract negotiations, albeit the talks were just HHH teasing receptions of offers. WHAT IF: HHH had signed with WCW in 1998?

[Art Sandusky 0]

The article in WWF Magazine referenced earlier was one of those Fantasy Warfare pieces they did somewhat regularly. It listed both Bret and Hogan's strengths and weaknesses, broke down some of the intangibles, and said what each guy would need to do to win. Others included the Headshrinkers against the original Wild Samoans and a couple of others I can't remember at the moment. Each one also had a little space at the bottom where you could write who you thought would win. I think WWF Magazine called it an even match between Hogan and Bret.

[alfdogg 0]

What if Vince caved in to Shawn and allowed him to go over Austin?

 

What if Rock had been given Billy Gunn's "Rockabilly" angle? (HTM said in his shoot interview that Rock was his first choice to do it)

[Richard 0]

I'm sure the Rock would survive. His blue chipper gimmick wasn't exactly winning the public over.

[DMann2003 0]

What if Ric Flair & Barry Whindham had joined Arn & Tully going to the WWF in 1988?

[nl5xsk1 0]

I still think a Dr. Death vs Ric Flair NWA/UWF unification match in Jan. 88 would've sold better than Flair vs Hawk on PPV

I've always felt that the mis-handling of the UWF purchase was more laughable (but sad) than the mis-handling of the WCW/ECW "Invasion". If JCP had handled that merger better, they would have had a legit chance of competing with the WWF on a national stage. They already had a really good TV deal (thanks to WTBS) and would have had such an influx of talent. Instead, he jobbed out most of the new wrestlers.

[Richard 0]

What if Sgt. Slaughter had refused to be an Iraqi sympathiser?

[JoeDirt 0]

What if Vince had put Luger strong over Yokozuna at Summerslam 1993 and let him run as champion for a while? Do you think he would have flopped in the end, because let's face it...it's Lex...or would he have taken off and been huge?

[alfdogg 0]

If we're assuming that Bret still gets the belt at WMX, I doubt it would have been much different than it was.

[The Niggardly King 0]

What if Kane had a run with the belt, instead of his one day reign? Would it be a success or flop?

[res37618 0]

What if Kane had a run with the belt, instead of his one day reign? Would it be a success or flop?

Kane should've never won it to begin with, it was just done to pop a rating the next Monday night. If anything, they could've held-up the belt via controversial finish in the First Blood KOTR match the next night, pending a rematch at Fully Loaded, where Austin regains the title.

 

Or something like that . . . I don't know booking (as I look over to Mini-Me).

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

What if Ric Flair & Barry Whindham had joined Arn & Tully going to the WWF in 1988?

JCP would have died, and Vince would have won the war almost 13 years before he did.

 

If Flair had jumped, Turner were going to pull out of buying JCP, and if they had, JCP would have folded amongst a mountain of debt, and Vince would be the only game in town.

[res37618 0]

What if Vince had put Luger strong over Yokozuna at Summerslam 1993 and let him run as champion for a while? Do you think he would have flopped in the end, because let's face it...it's Lex...or would he have taken off and been huge?

Here's my "fantasy booking" for that situation:

 

1) Lex wins the title at SummerSlam, holds it until Survivor Series, where he loses it back to Yokozuna in a blowoff match. Let the Owen heel turn happen here, or on an episode of Raw prior to the Rumble.

 

2) Bret wins the title from Yokozuna at the Royal Rumble instead of the abortion of a match that was the UT/Yoko Casket Match. Owen wins the Rumble, to set up WrestleMania. Let UT die in the Rumble and be carted out in the casket - that way, the ten guys that are in the ring are at least there because it's the Rumble, not because it's an over-booked run-in extravaganza. And the looks on the faces of the guys that are still in the Rumble could be priceless - the lights come back up and they're still standing there going "what the fuck was that?"

 

3) Bret/Owen takes place at WMX, not as the curtain-jerker, but as the main event for the WWF title. Owen still wins, same match, but instead of a one or two star main event, we've got two five-star matches that headline. Would've made it an even better WrestleMania.

 

4) Instead of Bret/Diesel at KOTR for the title, we get Owen/Razor in the title vs. title, with Bret/Diesel in a #1 contenders match or something of the sort. Let Michaels or Jarrett win the KOTR, who cares. Bret wins, Owen retains, and were on our way to . . . .

 

5) SummerSlam '94 - Owen/Bret in a cage for the title, same match, same result, with Bret regaining instead of retaining.

 

Clear as mud, or is that crazy non-senseless booking? I think it could've made things just a bit more interesting.

[strummer 0]

What is the steroid trials never happened and Shawn and Bret were never given singles pushes?

[brighty 0]

What if Sgt. Slaughter had refused to be an Iraqi sympathiser?

that's easy. they'd have got someone else to play the same role, win the title at the Rumble and lose it to Hogan at WM7

[brighty 0]

What if Ted Dibiase would have won the title at Wrestlemania IV as originally planned?

ove the summer they'd have built to Dibiase/Hogan headlining the first SummerSlam PPV where Hogan would get the title back. then they still do the Mega Powers breakup later on, leading to WM5 where Hogan successfully defends the title against heel Savage.

[alfdogg 0]

What if HHH never tore his quad.

[Jericholic82 0]

What if HHH never tore his quad.

Hed probably have been the first undisputed champ. oh and he wouldnt suck so much in the ring like he did in 2002.

[Red Baron 0]

What if Kane had a run with the belt, instead of his one day reign? Would it be a success or flop?

Kane should've never won it to begin with, it was just done to pop a rating the next Monday night. If anything, they could've held-up the belt via controversial finish in the First Blood KOTR match the next night, pending a rematch at Fully Loaded, where Austin regains the title.

 

Or something like that . . . I don't know booking (as I look over to Mini-Me).

The only reason why Kane was awarded the title shot, if I'm not mistaken, is that the booking team didn't want an Undertaker/Austin match until Summerslam.

 

Kane winning the belt was meerly for ratings.

 

 

What if HBK never hurt his back?

[Guest MikeSC]

I still think a Dr. Death vs Ric Flair NWA/UWF unification match in Jan. 88 would've sold better than Flair vs Hawk on PPV

I've always felt that the mis-handling of the UWF purchase was more laughable (but sad) than the mis-handling of the WCW/ECW "Invasion". If JCP had handled that merger better, they would have had a legit chance of competing with the WWF on a national stage. They already had a really good TV deal (thanks to WTBS) and would have had such an influx of talent. Instead, he jobbed out most of the new wrestlers.

The view was that the UWF guys weren't names in JCP's primary markets, so it would have required JCP to build them up as stars.

-=Mike