The 2 Big Non-Title Matches at WM

[Guest Rrrsh]

HBK-Angle is now a go and it looks as tho a Taker-Orton match is pretty much on as well. They will be billed as massive matches and they are both inter-promotional matches, so there has been no interaction untill now between the oppenents. So, who should win?

 

Should Taker keep his streak and retire or lose to someone later on or should Orton get that rub in ending the streak?

 

Which Icon deserves the win more in this dream match, Shawn or Kurt?

 

Don't turn this into a OMG VINCE IS SO STUPID thread where you say what you think will happen. What SHOULD happen and why?

[UZI Suicide 0]

HBK - Angle: You could probably make an argument for both, and I don't think either one will be hurt by a loss. I think Angle should win because I think this may be his last Wrestlemania, and because HBK has gone over enough damn people already.

 

Orton-Taker: 'Taker should win because Randy Fucking Orton of all people does not deserve to be the one to break Undertaker's streak. I'm all for 'Taker putting someone over at WM, but that someone should not be Randy Orton.

[alfdogg 0]

Angle should win over HBK, regardless of whether it's his last match or not. He's the most over heel on SD, and if it is his last match, then he's certainly earned the right to go out on top, IMO.

 

I honestly couldn't care less about the other match.

[Lil' Bitch 0]

Angle's lost 6 PPVs in a row since last October as well as the last 2 WMs so by all right does he deserve to go over Shawn.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing Undertaker job to Orton because as the old saying goes...all good things must come to an end plus it'd be the ultimate rub. I'm ust glad they decided not to go through with the lame tag team match instead.

[iggymcfly 0]

Definitely Kurt and Taker.

 

Sometimes it's better to just let someone have a legacy than to be like, "Oh they'll be gone pretty soon, let's job them out."

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'the olympic hero' Kurt Angle v. 'the heartbreak kid' Shawn Michaels

Shawn Michaels will go over, I believe.

But, Kurt Angle should go over. Angle can still give the rub for many years.. and it looks as though Michaels won't give the rub to many people. Of course, both are still fantastic workers, and I really dont care who goes over because either way I'm hoping to see a good match.

 

'the legend' The Undertaker v. 'the legend killer' Randy Orton

Randy Orton SHOULD and WILL go over here.

This match should be like the Triple H/Taker match at Wrestlemania 17 was it? Except in the finish, Orton should hit the RKO and get the 1,2,3. To me, that makes all the sense in the world.. and Orton is definately warrant of the Taker job.

[Guest krazykat72]

Angle/Michaels- It doesn't matter. Shawn's probably going over. Angle's on borrowed time.

 

Orton/UT- Orton should *definately* end this streak. They're counting on him to be an anchor in the promotion for years to come and UT is towards the end of his career. This win will mean *so* much more to Orton here, than another PPV.

You really want him as a heel? Have him brutally attack 'Taker before the match, have UT put up a valiant effort, but have Orton overcome him.

 

 

-Paul Jacobi-

[Youth N Asia 0]

I think Angle should win, Smackdown just looks so weak right now, and Angle's just been going over on jobbers every week. And Shawn SHOULD have put over Jericho in 03.

 

Unless they're just killing Orton's push to a complete stop he should go over. Taker doesn't need a win, and by this time next month it won't even matter.

[jester 0]

If Orton wins (and it's a big if), it will be anything but clean. The most I could see Mr. Company Man Respect My Lard Locker Room Veteran doing is a DQ.

 

Let's hope HBK threatens to beat up UT if he doesn't job.

 

As for HBK and Angle, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way. I just hope Angle retires after this, because all of his medical problems really worry me.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

Angle vs. HBK. This is a one time 'dream' match between two guys who should be retired. Let the face win.

 

Undertaker vs. Randy Orton. If you want to piss off the fanbase you have Orton win. Since he is a face, and there is no way in hell he is ever going to be cheered over Taker, it is probably a bad idea. Fans would shit all over it if Orton won, as it just wouldn't be believable after Orton spent the last 6 months getting his ass whipped by HHH. I don't think Taker should job at Mania at all, his streak is one of the few magical things left in wrestling, but if you really want him to put someone over on the way out, it better be somebody better than Orton.

[Guest Reservoir_Kitty]

HBK vs. Angle: My intense dislike for Michaels aside, I honestly think they should give Angle the win here. Angle hasn't been doing anything for the longest time on Smackdown, and honestly, Angle's one of their more entertaining stars. Plus, who knows how much longer Angle's gonna be around? This dream match should be given to Angle because I think he deserves it. HBK's been jobbing out half the RAW roster since his 'triumphant' return, so fuck that noise. HBK will probably be around forever, much to my dismay...unfortunately, Kurt Angle's future isn't looking too bright.

 

Orton vs. 'Taker: No. No way in hell should Randy Orton, crappy generic face, be the one to end Undertaker's WM streak. I don't care how the WWE dropped the ball with Orton's face turn and push, they shouldn't ruin something that's really unique and special with 'Taker just to prove that they were right about Orton all along. I realize it has to end sometime, but this isn't the right time or the right person to give that rub to. The fans would riot, and while that might be entertaining, I still don't want to see them screw this up just to prove that Orton's the new "it" boy.

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I'm neutral, though leaning towards Angle, in the first match. Leaning to Angle since he's closer to where I live.

 

As for Orton/Taker...Taker. Then next year, have Taker/Kane 3 where Kane FINALLY gets his big win over Taker clean.

[Aero 0]

I get the feeling that WWE will likely want one Raw win and one Smackdown win so that one show doesn't look better than the other (despite the Rumble doing this every year). If that's the case, then I'd predict that HBK and Undertaker win. I'd want Angle and Taker, though. Just as mentioned above, Angle, despite looking like a bad ass all the time with his Hometown challenges and beatdown on Michaels last night, hasn't won on a PPV in seemingly forever. I think Angle deserves a big win, but I won't be surprised in the slightest if HBK goes over. As for Taker-Orton, Orton shouldn't break the streak. If anyone should, that's there right now, I would've said Cena, due to their history.

[Jebus 0]

Kurt vs. HBK: Kurt since it may be his last Mania (or even last match).

 

Orton vs. Taker: I'm all for Taker putting the young talent over...but NOT at WrestleMania. The man has pissed me off many times for not "feelin it" when he should but at WrestleMania he should always come out victorious. If it was any other event than Mania, I'd say Orton. But Taker deserves to go out (when he eventually does) with the legacy of his WM winning streak.

[Guest M. Harry Smilac]

Orton looks to have Taker about beat till Snitsky and Heidenreich make their way out and cause the DQ.

 

This causes Kane to return to save his brother and the 3 men take turns hitting their finishers on the beserk hosses.

 

The end.

[Guest Loss]

I actually think Shawn and 'Taker should both go over. At this rate, Angle will be retiring before HBK, meaning that HBK actually has more long-term value. Who would have ever thought such a thing honestly? I'd put 'Taker over Orton unless their goal is to make Orton a huge heel, and that isn't their goal. People will boo him in the match and boo him if he wins. That match is a bad idea all around with them wanting to keep Orton a face.

[AndrewTS 0]

If Orton wins (and it's a big if), it will be anything but clean. The most I could see Mr. Company Man Respect My Lard Locker Room Veteran doing is a DQ.

Yeah, I could see that. Orton gets his "win" and Taker can still be a guy who was "never made to pin or submit at a Wrestlemania."

 

Orton going over Taker clean would be a waste. His heat'll evaporate again in less than a year.

 

As for HBK and Angle, it doesn't seem to make a difference either way.  I just hope Angle retires after this, because all of his medical problems really worry me.

 

Doesn't really matter, but I'm a bit amused that they had Edge job clean before the Angle attack. Edge = upper midcard for life I guess.

[Guest krazykat72]

The assertation that Undertaker's win streak at Mania is "magical" is frankly absurd. How many of those wins have meant anything?

 

WM VII- Snuka-nothing

VII-Roberts- a nice cement to his becoming a face

IX-Gonzalez-please

XI-Bundy-nothing

XII-Diesel- a nice high profile win (by far his most high profile win at this point), but I actually question the booking since Diesel was challenging Michaels in April

XIII-Sid- a big title win for him.

XIV-Kane- I question the booking here too. There's a reason Kane's never been on UT's level and that's because he's lost every important match they've had from the start.

XV-Bossman-the less said the better

XVII-Triple H- a nice, big win for him

XVIII-Flair- match was booked poorly, but with him making a title run 2 months later, it was the right call

XIX-vs. Show & Jones-useless

XX-Kane-foregone conclusion

 

So out of those 12 matches, about half of them were meaningful. No one was even mentioning this streak until a few years ago anyway.

It makes perfect business sense to have Orton beat him. It raises Orton's (25) value in the eyes of the fans. He needs the win. I doubt he'll get it, but there's really no reason for him not to.

 

-Paul Jacobi-

[AndrewTS 0]

It makes perfect business sense to have Orton beat him. It raises Orton's (25) value in the eyes of the fans. He needs the win. I doubt he'll get it, but there's really no reason for him not to.

 

-Paul Jacobi-

By that logic, there's no reason that half the roster doesn't deserve the win as much as Orton.

[Kahran Ramsus 0]

The first I remember the streak being talked about was at XIII when he was challenging for the WWF Title in the main event. It doesn't matter how big those wins were, all people will remember is that he won. You don't waste something like that on a bum like Orton who has no chance of capitalizing on it. The fans would not buy Orton beating Taker. Even as a heel, it would only give Orton X-Pac heat. If it was Kane or Benoit or somebody like that, the fans would accept it better.

 

Orton couldn't get cheers in his feud against the biggest heel of the past ten years. How is he supposed to get cheered against Taker at Mania?

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

I will never watch WWF programming again if Orton ends the Taker's Mania streak.

[Taker666 0]

No way, under any cicumstance, after all these years, should Orton be the one to beat Undertaker at WrestleMania. He doesn't even deserve to be in the same ring with Taker to be honest. Orton just sucks in every way. average wrestling skills, bland personality, boring on the mic. theres just nonthing about him thats good. I'am all for the WWE making new stars, but not if it jepordizes Taker's Mania streak, and DEFINLLY if that star is Randy Fucking Orton. ugh!. When ever Undertaker decides to retire, he should go out with his winning streak in tacted.

 

as for Angle/HBK. quite honestly, I really don't care who wins here. I'am just looking foward to the actual match here.

[algrim 0]

Angle /Michaels- Angle should go over in part because he might be retiring soon and because it's time that Michaels starts giving back, for once.

 

As far as Orton/UT, I could care less.

[Guest Loss]

Angle /Michaels- Angle should go over in part because he might be retiring soon and because it's time that Michaels starts giving back, for once.

 

As far as Orton/UT, I could care less.

I'd rather Shawn "give back" to someone that's going to be around, not someone who doesn't need to be pushed when he's not going to last much longer anyway. Put Shawn over, so it'll mean more when Shawn puts someone else over (if he ever does).

[Guest Salacious Crumb]

Angle /Michaels- Angle should go over in part because he might be retiring soon and because it's time that Michaels starts giving back, for once.

 

As far as Orton/UT, I could care less.

I'd rather Shawn "give back" to someone that's going to be around, not someone who doesn't need to be pushed when he's not going to last much longer anyway. Put Shawn over, so it'll mean more when Shawn puts someone else over (if he ever does).

And they buried one of those people during the buildup to this match. I seriously doubt Michaels will ever put anyone over. He's been back for 2 years now and he's done ziltch to help anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if HHH/HBK is the Mania main event next year.

[Guest Loss]

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[Black Lushus 0]

Randy Orton is nowhere near as horrible as you guys make him out to be, get over it already...the sensible thing is to put him over Taker...deal with it...

 

as far as Michaels and Angle...I guess Michaels because he's the face and he hasn't retaliated to Angle's attacks other than to issue a challenge (of course that could change)...

[Spaceman Spiff 0]

Randy Orton is nowhere near as horrible as you guys make him out to be, get over it already...the sensible thing is to put him over Taker...deal with it...

Uh-oh!

[Black Lushus 0]

FUCK i didn't even notice that...

 

 

Black Lushus-didn't go into the Sensible Randy Orton thread at all...

[AndrewTS 0]

Randy Orton is nowhere near as horrible as you guys make him out to be,

He's not good enough right now to be put over Taker, either.