slabinskia 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 There is prabably a better title for this but I can't think of it.I recently watched the bret/austin wm13 match again and I must say that bret made austin that night.I don't know if austin would have turned out that successful without that match.Who can think of other examples like this.One that comes to mind is the foley/hhh street fight at royal rumble 2000. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Just John 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Mick Foley - KOTR 1998 vs. The Undertaker (HIAC) The Rock - Royal Rumble 1999 vs. Mick Foley (I Quit) Rey Mysterio Jr. - Bash at the Beach 1996 vs. Psychosis DDP - Spring Stampede 1997 vs. Randy Savage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Austin made Rock when they were feuding over the IC belt. Foley made HHH a credible champion after the Street Fight. Undertaker made Foley at the Hell in the Cell match. Brock Lesnar was made after the matches against Undertaker (HitC) and Big Show (superplex destroys ring). TLC made and killed Hardy Boys. Benoit made Angle hard to pick when. Flair made Sting at the Clash of Champions 1. Steamboat made Savage at WM3? Piper made Goldust at WM? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Savage was already made in 1987. There's a reason he was the most hated heel in 1985-86 WWF right alongside Roddy Piper and (eventually) Paul Orndorff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest terryfunk4life123 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 what do u mean the hell in a cell made foley a star he was a star before that but mine has to be jake the snake vrs stone cold after the match was the birth of 3:16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I disagree. WWE really didn't follow up on that... at all. He basically floundered around filling up time (and didn't even appear on the 2nd biggest PPV of the year) until Bret Hart finally returned to "accept" his challenge for Survivor Series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest terryfunk4life123 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 well it made me a fan and i apreacte people that can disagree instead of flame ty Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stunt Granny Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Yeah even after the whole Austin 3:16 speech I don't think anyone thought of Austin as a potential main event canidate until the Bret feud. Austin still seemed pretty much like a punk after the first match a SS. At WM Bret finally turned and made Austin look like the baddest mf'er in the world in one match. The whole thing was executed so well that fans wanted nothing more than to see Austin tear him apart next time they met thus turning Austin into a huge star. I am a believer that that match and that match alone SAVED the WWF, the months following the product began to improve and even though WCW was still kicking thier ass in the ratings for the remainder of the year it was widely believed that the WWF had the superior product. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Metal Maniac 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 what do u mean the hell in a cell made foley a star he was a star before that He wasn't really anything special in the WWF before that. He was just that guy who beat the Undertaker a few times - which I guess is special in it's own right, but that match was the one that really pushed him over the edge. I really didn't mean to make that pun. It just kinda happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I'll do a simple one: Bret vs. Owen at WM X really "made" Owen. Before that, he was rarely thought of as any kind of threat to anyone above the lower midcard, and just seemed like a throw away opponent for Bret, who was already an established main eventer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Mick Foley, prior the cell match was known primarily as just another upper-carder as far as wwf fans were concerned. The HIAC and foley will admit this made the fans see him for something different and its STILL foley's defining match in terms his reputation as hardcore legend, the spot that is most revered perhaps third to Hogan slamming Andre and Austin's blood drained face at wm3 for wwf lore. Bret Hart over Mr. Perfect-Summer Slam 1991 Brock Lesnar over The Rock-Summer Slam 2002 123 Kid over Razor Ramon-Raw 1993 Hulk Hogan over Iron Shiek-January 198(3/4 ?) Sting drawing Ric Flair-Clash 1 Ramon over Shawn=WMX made Shawn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
razazteca 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 When you ask a random person about Mankind the response would be: 1) HitC bumps 2) I ate worms! 3) Puting over HHH 4) HE'S HARDCORE HE'S HARDCORE HE'S HARDCORE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slabinskia 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 What about hbk putting razor ramon over in the ladder match.How popular was scott hall before the ladder match anyway ?I don't remember.I don't think he would have become a big time star who started the wcw invasion without that match. Another one I thought of was sting putting vader over at great american bash 92. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 16, 2005 If we're talking in the States, then maybe. Vader was already mega-over in Japan (he was put over Antonio Inoki in his first match under the gimmick... thats being pushed). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 16, 2005 The Ladder match wasn't really putting Ramon over. It was Shawn's spotlight. Ramon left with the title but the match belonged to Shawn and still does. The reason scott hall was "big name" was because he was a major face in wwe. not because of the ladder match. Vader over Sting is a good example since Sting just rolled over for Vader and was his bitch. The best true series of matches in the 1990's(I define "true" series 3 or more major matches). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest jm29195 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I think Foley was becoming more than just another upper-midcarder in the wwf as far back as Summer 96, he beat the undertaker at KOTR 96, and then again at Summerslam, I don't know if anyone else has dupicated back to back ppv wins on Taker? Then I also thought that the Summer of 97 with all the Dude Love/Cactus Jack stuff also showed that the fans saw Foley as a genuine superstar, including the Summerlsma 97 cage match, the msg street fight and the kotr final against HHH- watch that match again and you can hear the crowd getting more respect for Foley as the match goes on.... But as far as the match that 'made' Foley- I would say it was the Beach Blast 92 match and preceding programe with Sting, noone had taken Foley seriously as threat to the champ before this and Sting did everything bar actually loosing the match, to put Foley over.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest BDC Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I remember watching the Beach Blast match, thinking the exact same thing when I watched the Empty Arena match: "Why doesn't he mount some offense?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Some Guy 0 Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Austin made Rock when they were feuding over the IC belt. Huh? They had one match that Austin won and then Ausitn refused to drop the IC strap to him the next night on Raw. Rock got himself over, Foley put him over in early 99 by letting Rock beat the shit out of him. Foley made HHH a credible champion after the Street Fight. True. Undertaker made Foley at the Hell in the Cell match. Foley had ME'd the two prior PPVs so he was sort of already "made" but he cemented his legend as teh most insane bumper in wretling history with this match. Taker had nothing to do with it besides being there. Brock Lesnar was made after the matches against Undertaker (HitC) and Big Show (superplex destroys ring). Rock out him over clean and made him. TLC made and killed Hardy Boys. The Ladder Match with E&C at No Mercy 99 made both teams. Benoit made Angle hard to pick when. Angle was already a former WWF, IC, and Euro champ befoer he ever got in the ring with Benoit. Rock made him when he dropped the title to him in late 2000. Flair made Sting at the Clash of Champions 1. True. Steamboat made Savage at WM3? If anything it was the other way around. Savage was headling house shows against Hogan in 86, he was already a huge star. Piper made Goldust at WM? I the sentence ended "look like a fool." then it would be acurate. Goldust got the shit kicked out of him by a 45 year old with two fake hips, I don't think that did anything positive for Dustin's career. Goldust never really had a defining feud or huge clean win that I can think of (his IC title win over Hall at RR 96 wasn't anythign special and Hall only lost because Waltman hit him with a spin kick of the top. He was a star because he was so fucking wierd. Hall did make Waltman, though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PlatinumBoy Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I don't know the most about ROH, but would it be safe to say that American Dragon made Austin Aries a star in the 6 man match last Summer? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest LooneyTune Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Benoit gets the best matches out of Angle, but Angle was already on top when he and Benoit first wrestled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest PlatinumBoy Report post Posted March 16, 2005 Benoit gets the best matches out of Angle, but Angle was already on top when he and Benoit first wrestled. If anything, The Rock put Angle over more when he won the title from Angle and on the next RAW then the first time Angle beat Rocky for the title. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Shadow Report post Posted March 16, 2005 I don't know the most about ROH, but would it be safe to say that American Dragon made Austin Aries a star in the 6 man match last Summer? close; it would be the 75 minute 2/3 falls match with Danielson at Testing the Limits that made Aries a star; at least to the indy world. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianGuitarist 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 Steve Corino over Dusty Rhodes in April 2000. "Nuff Said. I entertained the thought of Piper/Goldust, but to make a career of it, you should win. The exceptiuon to the rule is Austin/Hart. Not to say Austin wasn't made, but this clearly pushed him to the top. Prove me wrong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanadianChick 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 As a singles wrestler, I think Edge's series of matches with Angle made him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kahran Ramsus 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 Honky made Warrior at Summerslam 1988. Before then he was doing Weasel Suit matches with Bobby Heenan and feuding with Hercules. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Stunt Granny Report post Posted March 17, 2005 Piper made Bret at Wrestlemania 8. Piper was at legend status at the time so losing clean to Bret was huge. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericho2000Mark 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 "If anything, The Rock put Angle over more when he won the title from Angle and on the next RAW then the first time Angle beat Rocky for the title." I agree, Rock made Angle look like a credible threat for the first time at NWO...too bad it was at the last 30 minutes of Angle's title reign. Didn't Angle kick out of like 3 rock bottoms in that match? Here's one that hasn't been mentioned... When Mitsuharu Misawa beat Jumbo Tsuruta for the first time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jericholic82 0 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 IMO Foley wasnt reall ymade by the Cell, but it was agood reference point later. The reasoon that Mankind wasnt over at the point was dfue to the constant persona switching between Dude Love, Mankind, and Cactus in the months prior. In the summer of 97 Foley looked like he could be a main event level star, but by June 98, he had little to no heat. Manjind didnt really get over untill after he turned face again and started playing his act for comedy in the fall of 98. His title wins and matches with Rock ceemneted his hardcore staus once and for all. My point is, most WWF fans didnt just think foley was a hardcore legend, they were told it by the WWF marketing machine and evetually bought into it. (just like The WWF convinced fans that WCW was lame and worth nothing) And Mick seemd to be most over when his skills were deterioating and was basically had only socko left (he refers to this in his book fOLEY IS GOOD)in early 99 and late 99 when he returned from knee surgery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest krazykat72 Report post Posted March 17, 2005 As a singles wrestler, I think Edge's series of matches with Angle made him. This was one that jumped out at me too. Rock had a hand in making Brock, but so did Hogan when Brock destroyed him to get ready for that title shot. The 1994 Rumble made Kevin Nash. Flair obviously made Steamboat back in the 70's. -Paul Jacobi- Share this post Link to post Share on other sites