Hulk Hogan

[Some Guy 0]

http://www.411mania.com/wrestling/news/new...p?news_id=11377

 

According to the AWAStars.com it appears as Hulk Hogan will now be “officially” recognized as a 2-time AWA Champion.

 

Yes, it’s true. Hollywood Hulk Hogan, the world’s most famous professional wrestler is a former World Heavyweight Champion of the American Wrestling Association. Not just once, but twice! Unfortunately, these reigns have become the victims of backstage politics. As a result, knowledge of them has been buried deep within the files of the AWA’s history…until now.

 

Hogan had actually won the title on 2 occasions, only to be later stripped by AWA President Stanly Blackburn.

 

This now makes Hogan a former AWA, WW(F)E and WCW Champion. The full article can be found HERE.

 

[Credit: AWAStars.com]

 

This is really stupid. By this logic Benoit is a 2 time WWF champion, in addition to his 1 World Title and 1 WCW title. Jericho would be a 2 time WWF champ and 1 time WCW Champ. If every Dusty finish in wrestlign were retroactively changed to a title win then think Ric Flair would the 4,000 time World Heavyweight champ.

[Slickster 0]

This isn't any stupider than recognizing the Kallang/Wellington NWA title switches 15 years after the fact.

 

johnj at DVDVR said it better:

 

"To me, revisionist history was wiping out Hogan's title wins in the first place.

This may just be a matter a semantics, but the current AWA is not revising anything - they are now recognizing what actually occured - Hogan twice pinned Bockwinkle to win the AWA title.

 

This whole thing is really of little consequence to the sport as a whole. There are already dozens of websites that list "phantom" title changes that were never officially recognized by the organizations.

 

Actually, there may be some good in this in that at least their logic for recognizing the title wins is sound and follows the "rules" of AWA matches, ie. referee's decision is final.

Anything to bring back some semblence of "rules" and logic behind the worked matches is a positive in my mind."

[Some Guy 0]

But recognizing it now, more than 20 years later, most likely in the hopes that WWE will mention it when they induct Hogan into the HoF is a little stupid.

 

As I said if every Dusty Finish were recoginized as a title change then the number of world champions would double and the number reigns for some guy would multiply considerably. I kind of hope WWE goes back recognizes all of the ones Flair was invloved in just so HHH has to drp the strap and win it back on every Raw and PPV for the next 3 years to break the record. It would be amusing to me.

[Jericholic82 0]

Well IMO Benoit is a former WCW champ. They stripped him of the title on Nitro the night after souled out 2000, with Arn Anderson giving the explanation that he saw the replay and saw sids foot under the ropes. They never went out of the way to say Benoit wasnt a former champ did they? As for Jericho and HHH, Trips stated that night that the change be erased from history as it never happened.

 

And what about Flair? He won the wcw title for the last time against JJ on Nitro in may/june 00. But he had a worked inniry (or was it another fake heart attack?) and was stripped by russo the next week, leading to nash facing jjj for the vacant tile and winning it. On nitro, Nash gave the title back to flair and he promptly lost it to Jarrett again. Now does that count as two flair regins there? and does Nash get credit for his short title win? damn wcw was convoluted with Russo booking

[razazteca 0]

It would be funny if HHH lost title matches everytime they went overseas. HHH could lose his title in Japan then get a rematch in Florida with a Dusty Finish or HHH could lose his title in England to whoever is the FWA champion on a Wrestling Channel exclusive PPV then win it back at Rebellion PPV.

[Some Guy 0]

Well IMO Benoit is a former WCW champ. They stripped him of the title on Nitro the night after souled out 2000, with Arn Anderson giving the explanation that he saw the replay and saw sids foot under the ropes. They never went out of the way to say Benoit wasnt a former champ did they? As for Jericho and HHH, Trips stated that night that the change be erased from history as it never happened.

Benoit is a former WCW champ. The two WWF reigns I was refering to were when he beat the Rock by DQ (the stip was that the belt could change ona DQ) and Foley continued the match and they did a similar thing during a 4 way at a later PPV. The names of both shows escape me right now.

 

The HHH/Y2J thing is the same as the Hogan/Bockwinkle stuff.

 

And what about Flair? He won the wcw title for the last time against JJ on Nitro in may/june 00.  But he had a worked inniry (or was it another fake heart attack?) and was stripped by russo the next week, leading to nash facing jjj for the vacant tile and winning it. On nitro, Nash gave the title back to flair and he promptly lost it to Jarrett again.  Now does that count as two flair regins there? and does Nash get credit for his short title win? damn wcw was convoluted with Russo booking

 

All those reigns count. That's why Flair went from being a 14 times champ to a 16 times champ during his current WWE run. They realized that he had these two wins.

[CanadianChris 0]

Benoit is a former WCW champ.  The two WWF reigns I was refering to were when he beat the Rock by DQ (the stip was that the belt could change ona DQ) and Foley continued the match and they did a similar thing during a 4 way at a later PPV.  The names of both shows escape me right now.

Fully Loaded 2000 was the first show. Second was Unforgiven 2000.

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Benoit is a former WCW champ. The two WWF reigns I was refering to were when he beat the Rock by DQ (the stip was that the belt could change ona DQ) and Foley continued the match and they did a similar thing during a 4 way at a later PPV. The names of both shows escape me right now.

Fully Loaded 2000 was the first show. Dunno about the second.

Unforgiven 2000, which was just two months after Fully Loaded.

[Guest LooneyTune]

Hogan is now a former 6 time WWF/E Champion, 7(?) time WCW Champion, 2 time AWA Champion, and one of those japanese promotions I can't remember at this moment... 16 time world champion! He ties Flair!

[Jericholic82 0]

Benoit is a former WCW champ. The two WWF reigns I was refering to were when he beat the Rock by DQ (the stip was that the belt could change ona DQ) and Foley continued the match and they did a similar thing during a 4 way at a later PPV. The names of both shows escape me right now.

Fully Loaded 2000 was the first show. Dunno about the second.

Unforgiven 2000, which was just two months after Fully Loaded.

I remember marking out when I thought Benoit won the title in july and sept. Man was I angry (though winning the title by dq as it would have been in July wouldhave been lame)

[swan 0]

Maybe if they had recognized the win when it happened, the AWA wouldn't of found itself in the situation it did when the mid to late 80's hit. Sad really.

[razazteca 0]

Hogan winning the IWGP is not recognized?

[Hunter's Torn Quad 0]

Hogan winning the IWGP is not recognized?

Hogan won the IWGP League, which was a tournament. The actual IWGP Title wasn't created until 1987.

[Slingshot Suplex 0]

Then I guess we can add at least one more NWA title for Dusty Rhodes via the reversed decision at Starrcade...um.... 85 I think.

 

AWAstars can do what they want I guess but I put it in the same vein as Dusty. A reversed decision and no official reign.

[Jobber of the Week 0]

If every Dusty finish in wrestlign were retroactively changed to a title win then think Ric Flair would the 4,000 time World Heavyweight champ.

And Lex Luger would be something like a six time NWA/WCW champion, just from his feud with Flair alone.

[tbondrage99 0]

Normally I would be against this type of bullshit but since its Hogan then I love it! He should now come back to the WWE full time and win the world title another half dozen times just for the hell of it.